SOSUS (Sound Surveillance System) has been around forever. Developed in the '40s, installed in the '50s by the US Navy. They likely knew of the implosion and the location immediately, and the rest of the time was gathering the resources (robotic submersibles) to reach it. We are talking about sea travel. It takes time.
SOSUS isn't really "Top Secret" anymore. It is fairly known. There are some interesting theories out there about the Navy's (and possibly the USSR's) involvement and knowledge about the sinking of the USS Scorpion because of SOSUS. Mainly, what the Navy knew, when they knew about it, and how they decided to act up that information...
SOSUS (Sound Surveillance System) has been around forever. Developed in the '40s, installed in the '50s by the US Navy. They likely knew of the implosion and the location immediately, and the rest of the time was gathering the resources (robotic submersibles) to reach it. We are talking about sea travel. It takes time.
SOSUS isn't really "Top Secret" anymore. It is fairly known. There are some interesting theories out there about the Navy's (and possibly the USSR's) involvement and knowledge about the sinking of the USS Scorpion because of SOSUS. Mainly, what the Navy knew, when they knew about it, and how they decided to act up that information...
They received a noise signature consistent with that of an implosion. It was reported up the chain. It took another couple of hours for the company to report that the submersible had stopped responding. The rest of the time was spent corroborating. Pretty straightforward and logical. You don't jump the gun on these things. Until they found debris they couldn't come out and announce it had imploded. Had they done that, they would never be left alone by the media and conspiracy nuts. The oxygen, banging noise, etc were just the typical media hysteria.
The search mission was good practice for the authorities, and arguably cheaper than organizing a mock exercise. We won't know that conclusively. I have changed my mind on this since yesterday, but I still believe reckless adventures shouldn't place a burden on the public and this thing got way too much attention.
You realize the implosion blew both ends off the vessel. Both ends were found separately in the debris field. Their bodies would've been instantly shredded in a nanosecond by the onrush of water that took about 20 milliseconds.
Think of it this way. A 2.5" firehose has water pressure between 100-300 psi. The titan was in water pressure over 5000psi. So imagine getting blasted by a 9 foot diameter firehose at 20x the force of a normal 2.5" firehose.
While the ends were blown off, they were blown in and not out.
The whole sequence of events undoubtedly occurred within factions of seconds of each other. There was a loss of pressure within the craft and that led to the implosion and, as you say, a "crush of water."
A good bit of the Titan was made of carbon fiber. Carbon fiber does not fatigue like other metals can but if there were impurities introduced in the manufacturing process or if there was some sort of a hard blow that was sustained at some point, there could have been a weakening of it. That is possible but not likely. If it were possible to have made this craft out of aluminum, the aluminum would have been crushed. Aluminum will fatigue unlike carbon fiber which has an extremely high strength to weight ratio. As strong as CF is, though, once the vessel depressurized, it could not hold up to the extremely high PSI pressure at the depth that it was at. The CF cracked causing the influx of water and, as I mentioned, it all occurred within a fraction of a second.
Possibly so, though not necessarily. The design is composite, meaning it's a CF tube with hemispherical titanium endcaps. James Cameron was on the news yesterday talking about the inherent flaws in this design (probably why OceanGate didn't bother with gaining approval) in that extreme pressures at those depths on the two different materials leading to inevitable delamination. A flaw was most likely to appear at the joint (epoxy? bolts?) between the tube and the endcaps. The titanium endcaps probably stayed intact while the CF at one end or both cracked and then splintered and the air rushed out at those spots as water pressure tore apart the tube and the people within it.
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We were lied to by Navy personnel for 4 days. They knew it imploded soon after it went into the water but they continued telling us that it was a "search and rescue" mission and not a recovery mission.
I was also surprised by the down votes. I can recall many times during the week when Navy personnel addressed the media and specifically saying it was not a recovery search at that time.
SOSUS (Sound Surveillance System) has been around forever. Developed in the '40s, installed in the '50s by the US Navy. They likely knew of the implosion and the location immediately, and the rest of the time was gathering the resources (robotic submersibles) to reach it. We are talking about sea travel. It takes time.
SOSUS isn't really "Top Secret" anymore. It is fairly known. There are some interesting theories out there about the Navy's (and possibly the USSR's) involvement and knowledge about the sinking of the USS Scorpion because of SOSUS. Mainly, what the Navy knew, when they knew about it, and how they decided to act up that information...
They received a noise signature consistent with that of an implosion. It was reported up the chain. It took another couple of hours for the company to report that the submersible had stopped responding. The rest of the time was spent corroborating. Pretty straightforward and logical. You don't jump the gun on these things. Until they found debris they couldn't come out and announce it had imploded. Had they done that, they would never be left alone by the media and conspiracy nuts. The oxygen, banging noise, etc were just the typical media hysteria.
The search mission was good practice for the authorities, and arguably cheaper than organizing a mock exercise. We won't know that conclusively. I have changed my mind on this since yesterday, but I still believe reckless adventures shouldn't place a burden on the public and this thing got way too much attention.
Just imagine the attention it would have gotten if Brittney Griner has been on board the Titan.
You are making fun of Dan Crenshaw who lost his eye protecting this country. Have you no shame?
"Crenshaw lost his right eye in 2012 during his third deployment when he was hit by an IED explosion in Afghanistan's Helmand Province. The blast destroyed his eye, and he required surgery to save the vision in his left eye."
Incidentally he retired as a lieutenant commander which my dad retired with as well.
Why was that not reported to the media and the public? All they had to say was there might have been an implosion.
They said they weren’t sure it was an implosion back then, and the US doesn’t want to attract unnecessary attention to its sub-Atlantic defense capabilities, so it just passed on the information to the rescue team actually at work. Seems reasonable and responsible, not like some conspiracy.
SOSUS (Sound Surveillance System) has been around forever. Developed in the '40s, installed in the '50s by the US Navy. They likely knew of the implosion and the location immediately, and the rest of the time was gathering the resources (robotic submersibles) to reach it. We are talking about sea travel. It takes time.
SOSUS isn't really "Top Secret" anymore. It is fairly known. There are some interesting theories out there about the Navy's (and possibly the USSR's) involvement and knowledge about the sinking of the USS Scorpion because of SOSUS. Mainly, what the Navy knew, when they knew about it, and how they decided to act up that information...
They received a noise signature consistent with that of an implosion. It was reported up the chain. It took another couple of hours for the company to report that the submersible had stopped responding. The rest of the time was spent corroborating. Pretty straightforward and logical. You don't jump the gun on these things. Until they found debris they couldn't come out and announce it had imploded. Had they done that, they would never be left alone by the media and conspiracy nuts. The oxygen, banging noise, etc were just the typical media hysteria.
The search mission was good practice for the authorities, and arguably cheaper than organizing a mock exercise. We won't know that conclusively. I have changed my mind on this since yesterday, but I still believe reckless adventures shouldn't place a burden on the public and this thing got way too much attention.
Now if we can only change your mind about being a bigot.
SOSUS (Sound Surveillance System) has been around forever. Developed in the '40s, installed in the '50s by the US Navy. They likely knew of the implosion and the location immediately, and the rest of the time was gathering the resources (robotic submersibles) to reach it. We are talking about sea travel. It takes time.
SOSUS isn't really "Top Secret" anymore. It is fairly known. There are some interesting theories out there about the Navy's (and possibly the USSR's) involvement and knowledge about the sinking of the USS Scorpion because of SOSUS. Mainly, what the Navy knew, when they knew about it, and how they decided to act up that information...
40/40 gets it. The USS Scorpion story (stories) should be much better known.
You realize the implosion blew both ends off the vessel. Both ends were found separately in the debris field. Their bodies would've been instantly shredded in a nanosecond by the onrush of water that took about 20 milliseconds.
Think of it this way. A 2.5" firehose has water pressure between 100-300 psi. The titan was in water pressure over 5000psi. So imagine getting blasted by a 9 foot diameter firehose at 20x the force of a normal 2.5" firehose.
Google "Mythbusters Meat Man". That was only at 135 psi, not 6000 psi.
The hull collapse/implosion would have taken place in less than 20 milliseconds. The human brain can't process a stimulus in less than 25 milliseconds and any rational reaction takes about 150 milliseconds. The crew never knew what hit them nor did they feel anything.
Why was that not reported to the media and the public? All they had to say was there might have been an implosion.
I forget how many conspiracy theorists are on LRC.
Do you know how search and rescue operations work? You don't stop until you are 100% certain there's no life left to save. Not at 99.9%.
It took days to get ROVs down there to observe debris and verify all life was lost.
The navy heard a sound that would be consistent with that of a catastrophic implosion, but they probably couldn't verify that's what it was until they observed debris.
And they couldn't announce that sound detail earlier because the media and public always quickly jump to conclusions. That's why spokespeople are very reserved and careful in how they report and share details from their findings. They also want to double and triple check their evidence to make sure they haven't misinterpreted their evidence. It was the autopsy of the debris that clinched their knowledge of what happened.
Then and only then, they notify families first out of respect. And then and only then they can offer a press conference.
You realize the implosion blew both ends off the vessel. Both ends were found separately in the debris field. Their bodies would've been instantly shredded in a nanosecond by the onrush of water that took about 20 milliseconds.
Think of it this way. A 2.5" firehose has water pressure between 100-300 psi. The titan was in water pressure over 5000psi. So imagine getting blasted by a 9 foot diameter firehose at 20x the force of a normal 2.5" firehose.
Google "Mythbusters Meat Man". That was only at 135 psi, not 6000 psi.
The hull collapse/implosion would have taken place in less than 20 milliseconds. The human brain can't process a stimulus in less than 25 milliseconds and any rational reaction takes about 150 milliseconds. The crew never knew what hit them nor did they feel anything.
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