Every doper will insist they are clean.
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Yes, and that their team is clean, and that their coach is against doping.
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C$ C$ wrote:
That’s a good point. I presume “no-one” knows when an athlete comes due for a test, although it might be possible to put some good guesses in especially if you know her schedule. What’s the glow period for oral nandrolone?
Unless you had inside information from the AIU or the testing company contracted for the specific slot you would have no clue when a test is coming (except at events). You could guess or know Shelby's daily testing window, but that doesn't tell you when the pee people coming knocking. The best way if you're a teammate or competitor would be to do it shortly before a completion where you know they're likely to drug test winners. Not randomly setting her up in the hopes she still glows when eventually she gets a routine test.
Take it with several grains of salt since it was Houlihan's own lawyer, but he said there are oral nandrolones out there with a <24hr glow period and that if the test had been a few hours later in the day she wouldn't have been above the threshold. Again, take salt with that since he also said nandrolone wouldn't help a distance runner.
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Try making sense wrote:
This is not about if SH is guilty.
Yes -- this is about GDS who had "no reason to believe anyone on the team is involved in anything like that".
As anyone who read the letsrun interview would already know, she left BTC due to lack of transparency regarding Houlihan's and BTC's training, and not seeing the exact words verbatim regarding a situation that made her uncomfortable.
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BTC lets convicted dopers join in on trainings, they are per definition not a clean team.
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Idkman wrote:
BTC lets convicted dopers join in on trainings, they are per definition not a clean team.
Back to is S H guilty of cheating or not again .
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rekrunner wrote:
Try making sense wrote:
This is not about if SH is guilty.
Yes -- this is about GDS who had "no reason to believe anyone on the team is involved in anything like that".
As anyone who read the letsrun interview would already know, she left BTC due to lack of transparency regarding Houlihan's and BTC's training, and not seeing the exact words verbatim regarding a situation that made her uncomfortable.
Why did she not find out what was allowed ref SH training?
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Ointerset wrote:
Idkman wrote:
BTC lets convicted dopers join in on trainings, they are per definition not a clean team.
Back to is S H guilty of cheating or not again .
She is a convicted doper. It doesn't matter which opinion you or I hold about her innocence because she is still a convicted doper. Convicted dopers should not be more or less a part of a team, even if thought innocent.
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Yes, she was SH was found guilty of doping and she serve her time or exhaust appeals away from the team, or you get what you see happening now, team fracturing.
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Word yo wrote:
Yes, she was SH was found guilty of doping and she serve her time or exhaust appeals away from the team, or you get what you see happening now, team fracturing.
If the rules are specific and state what SH can or can’t do this team would not have a person leave.
Seems it is the ambiguity that caused the split and not that she was not away from the team.
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GDS says: “Shelby would drive to the Nike campus up to four times a week at the team’s regular time and the starting point for our regular daily runs together so she could run with us,” DeBues-Stafford said. “If she arrived before us, she would wait for BTC athletes at the meeting spot to see if any BTC athletes arrived so she could run with us. These sometimes included long runs. She also ran with the team on a regular basis at altitude camp in Flagstaff.”
According to DeBues-Stafford, Houlihan would also use the private gym – built at Schumacher’s residence for BTC athletes to use – at the same time BTC athletes were there under staff supervision.
“When I told Jerry (Schumacher) I was leaving BTC due to the lack of separation between Shelby and the group, he asked if I really wanted to leave, given he was thinking of possibly no longer coaching Shelby if she lost her appeal at the Swiss Federal Tribunal,” Debues-Stafford said.
Shelby lost her appeal in May and that's when she stopped working with Jerry.
Hmmm
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Thanaser96 wrote:
GDS says: “Shelby would drive to the Nike campus up to four times a week at the team’s regular time and the starting point for our regular daily runs together so she could run with us,” DeBues-Stafford said. “If she arrived before us, she would wait for BTC athletes at the meeting spot to see if any BTC athletes arrived so she could run with us. These sometimes included long runs. She also ran with the team on a regular basis at altitude camp in Flagstaff.”
According to DeBues-Stafford, Houlihan would also use the private gym – built at Schumacher’s residence for BTC athletes to use – at the same time BTC athletes were there under staff supervision.
“When I told Jerry (Schumacher) I was leaving BTC due to the lack of separation between Shelby and the group, he asked if I really wanted to leave, given he was thinking of possibly no longer coaching Shelby if she lost her appeal at the Swiss Federal Tribunal,” Debues-Stafford said.
Shelby lost her appeal in May and that's when she stopped working with Jerry.
Hmmm
A lot of fluff in that article, but also wild that BTC didn't check with their own lawyers what the rules were. Also interesting that GDS tried to clear the group's behavior with an "anti doping organization" and they didn't say everything was okay.
She drove to Nike so she could "bump into" BTC athletes on runs. Lol what a joke.
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Thanaser96 wrote:
GDS says: “Shelby would drive to the Nike campus up to four times a week at the team’s regular time and the starting point for our regular daily runs together so she could run with us,” DeBues-Stafford said. “If she arrived before us, she would wait for BTC athletes at the meeting spot to see if any BTC athletes arrived so she could run with us. These sometimes included long runs. She also ran with the team on a regular basis at altitude camp in Flagstaff.”
According to DeBues-Stafford, Houlihan would also use the private gym – built at Schumacher’s residence for BTC athletes to use – at the same time BTC athletes were there under staff supervision.
“When I told Jerry (Schumacher) I was leaving BTC due to the lack of separation between Shelby and the group, he asked if I really wanted to leave, given he was thinking of possibly no longer coaching Shelby if she lost her appeal at the Swiss Federal Tribunal,” Debues-Stafford said.
Shelby lost her appeal in May and that's when she stopped working with Jerry.
Hmmm
Another huge question mark over Schumacher. He lied in that first press call when the test was announced, and then he operated in a very gray zone to allow Houlihan to train with the group. Putting his other (presumably clean) athletes at risk. The idea that anything he says can be trusted, or that he is some paragon of integrity, is laughable. He's shown he will explore how close he can skate to the edges of what is allowed, and it will come as no surprise if he ever crosses that line. Right now, there is almost as much smoke around Schumacher as there was around Salazar before he was banned. USADA should investigate
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High hopes wrote:
Thanaser96 wrote:
GDS says: “Shelby would drive to the Nike campus up to four times a week at the team’s regular time and the starting point for our regular daily runs together so she could run with us,” DeBues-Stafford said. “If she arrived before us, she would wait for BTC athletes at the meeting spot to see if any BTC athletes arrived so she could run with us. These sometimes included long runs. She also ran with the team on a regular basis at altitude camp in Flagstaff.”
According to DeBues-Stafford, Houlihan would also use the private gym – built at Schumacher’s residence for BTC athletes to use – at the same time BTC athletes were there under staff supervision.
“When I told Jerry (Schumacher) I was leaving BTC due to the lack of separation between Shelby and the group, he asked if I really wanted to leave, given he was thinking of possibly no longer coaching Shelby if she lost her appeal at the Swiss Federal Tribunal,” Debues-Stafford said.
Shelby lost her appeal in May and that's when she stopped working with Jerry.
Hmmm
Another huge question mark over Schumacher. He lied in that first press call when the test was announced, and then he operated in a very gray zone to allow Houlihan to train with the group. Putting his other (presumably clean) athletes at risk. The idea that anything he says can be trusted, or that he is some paragon of integrity, is laughable. He's shown he will explore how close he can skate to the edges of what is allowed, and it will come as no surprise if he ever crosses that line. Right now, there is almost as much smoke around Schumacher as there was around Salazar before he was banned. USADA should investigate
Maybe you're reading too much into it?
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Thanaser96 wrote:
GDS says: “Shelby would drive to the Nike campus up to four times a week at the team’s regular time and the starting point for our regular daily runs together so she could run with us,” DeBues-Stafford said. “If she arrived before us, she would wait for BTC athletes at the meeting spot to see if any BTC athletes arrived so she could run with us. These sometimes included long runs. She also ran with the team on a regular basis at altitude camp in Flagstaff.”
According to DeBues-Stafford, Houlihan would also use the private gym – built at Schumacher’s residence for BTC athletes to use – at the same time BTC athletes were there under staff supervision.
Wow, just wow.
Here is the relevant rule again:
10.14 Status during Ineligibility or Provisional Suspension
(a) No Athlete or other Person who has been declared Ineligible or is subject to a Provisional Suspension may, during a period of Ineligibility or Provisional Suspension, participate in
any capacity in a Competition or activity (other than authorised anti-doping Education or rehabilitation programs) authorised or organised by any Signatory, Signatory’s member organisation, or a club or other member organisation of a Signatory’s member organisation, or in Competitions authorised or organised by any professional league or any international or national level event organisation or any elite or national-level sporting activity funded by a governmental agency.
[Comment to Rule 10.14.1(a): For example, subject to Rule 10.14.2 below, Ineligible Athletes cannot participate in a training camp, exhibition or practice organised by their Member or a club that is a member of that Member or that is funded by a governmental agency.50 -
How would you know? wrote:
High hopes wrote:
Another huge question mark over Schumacher. He lied in that first press call when the test was announced, and then he operated in a very gray zone to allow Houlihan to train with the group. Putting his other (presumably clean) athletes at risk. The idea that anything he says can be trusted, or that he is some paragon of integrity, is laughable. He's shown he will explore how close he can skate to the edges of what is allowed, and it will come as no surprise if he ever crosses that line. Right now, there is almost as much smoke around Schumacher as there was around Salazar before he was banned. USADA should investigate
Maybe you're reading too much into it?
1. We know Schumacher was, at best, sketchy with the truth during the first press call announcing the doping failure. That's not even in dispute.
2. There is credible evidence that he was continuing to train an athlete who failed a dope test and that they were working the system to ensure she could train with her teammates. GDS was advised by an anti-doping agency to provide an anonymous tip-off.
It looks to me like someone should have at least been asking questions. Maybe a USADA official just knocking on Saint Jerry's door to ask if he's playing by the spirit and letter of the law.
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High hopes wrote:
How would you know? wrote:
Maybe you're reading too much into it?
1. We know Schumacher was, at best, sketchy with the truth during the first press call announcing the doping failure. That's not even in dispute.
2. There is credible evidence that he was continuing to train an athlete who failed a dope test and that they were working the system to ensure she could train with her teammates. GDS was advised by an anti-doping agency to provide an anonymous tip-off.
It looks to me like someone should have at least been asking questions. Maybe a USADA official just knocking on Saint Jerry's door to ask if he's playing by the spirit and letter of the law.
He was protecting her because he believed her. So do many around her. Good for him, good for them.
How would you know better than anyone else here?
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Shelby is having a hard time because she cheated! Plain and simple!
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