SCOTUS just approved most of Trump's muslim ban
I thought they would - it seems pretty clear in the constitution that the president has that right.
A rare victory for trump.
Although the court only approved some aspects of the ban - not the whole thing.
I never said that deductibles didn't go up. I said that higher deductibles and the switch to more HDHP plans is not what led to millions receiving health care for the first time. HDHP plans have been praised by Republicans as a great way to reduce cost and force patients to shop around for cheaper care, while still covering catastrophic events. And yes, Obamacare tends to push a lot of people toward HDHP plans.But again, that has little to do with how millions "suddenly" got health insurance for the first time under Obamacare.Under Obamacare, "suddenly" millions of people became eligible for Medicaid. Medicaid isn't the best plan out there, but it's a lot better than nothing, which is what those people had before.Under Obamacare, "suddenly" people with pre-existing conditions were able to buy affordable insurance.Under Obamacare, "suddenly" young people were allowed to stay on their parent's plan until age 26.That's what Obamacare did. I know what I'm talking about, but it's not because I have friends and relatives in the health care field (don't we all?). It's because I have actually studied health care policy myself.
Brainhelper for Fathead wrote:
First of all, you're full of crap. You know nothing about healthcare because if you did, you wouldn't have posted what you just did. The majority of my family is in the Midwest, and the majority are in the medical field. Two are orthopedic surgeons. Both flat out tell their patients that Obamacare screwed up everything and that they don't blame them for putting off surgeries (knee, shoulder, etc...) that they normally wouldn't have. When you have to come up with thousands out of pocket, the game changes.
Yeah, I work for a large public company as well (but I know that you're lying), it's called the Big 3, ever hear of it? Do you know what your pathetic president did to our deductibles? Are you really that dense that you need it explained to you?
I'll tell ya what slacker, you won't believe it, typical, but I personally know dozens and dozens of workers who retired with a $2000 deductible. After Obamacare it went to $7000, yes, $7000!!!!!!!!!! out of pocket per year.
This was pointed out on another thread and everyone came back saying BS. I asked them to post their email address and we'll discuss it off line. Every single person refused as they knew they were wrong. Put your money where your mouth is, list your email address and I'll happily contact you and bet you big time.
I believe your boy Flagpole was on that thread and he too said no way, until he was called out and then he backed down. Don't talk about things that you know nothing about, honestly, it makes you look stupid.
All of you liberals will say, bullcrap, even if the people were sitting in your living room face to face. It's not a brilliant analysis, only to an unintelligent person like yourself.
Why do you think deductibles went up? Are you seriously that dense?
Talk to real people in medical field and learn a thing or two. From P.T. to Ortho, he messed it all up except for someone like you who benefitted from the others.
Fat hurts wrote:I work for a large public company with over a billion per year in revenue. My medical plan wasn't affected much by Obamacare.
If you think higher deductibles were the reason that millions of uninsured Americans got health insurance under Obamacare then do explain that to us. We're waiting for your brilliant analysis.
But back here in the real world, people who understand a little about how the health insurance market works will stick with the truth as I've already explained it.
eric a blair wrote:
SCOTUS just approved most of Trump's muslim ban
No.
He campaigned on a Muslim ban. Keeping Muslims out of the country.
This is a travel ban limiting people without sufficient ties to the US for 6 specific countries that so happen to be Muslim majority.
Many Muslims from those countries can still travel here as can all Muslims from all over.
He said he would ban Muslims. He can't.
L L wrote:
eric a blair wrote:SCOTUS just approved most of Trump's muslim ban
No.
He campaigned on a Muslim ban. Keeping Muslims out of the country.
This is a travel ban limiting people without sufficient ties to the US for 6 specific countries that so happen to be Muslim majority.
Many Muslims from those countries can still travel here as can all Muslims from all over.
He said he would ban Muslims. He can't.
What SCOTUS did was really interesting. By the time the case comes to trial, the 90 day period for the executive order will be over. So SCOTUS could just say the whole thing is now moot and we'll let the lower court rulings stand.
But if they do take up the case, it's going to be fascinating. Trump's stated reason for the ban is to give it time to study the situation and come up with a new policy for the affected countries. So the first thing the supremes will ask is, "What did you find and what did you decide to do?". I can't wait to hear the answer to that question.
Fat hurts wrote:
L L wrote:No.
He campaigned on a Muslim ban. Keeping Muslims out of the country.
This is a travel ban limiting people without sufficient ties to the US for 6 specific countries that so happen to be Muslim majority.
Many Muslims from those countries can still travel here as can all Muslims from all over.
He said he would ban Muslims. He can't.
What SCOTUS did was really interesting. By the time the case comes to trial, the 90 day period for the executive order will be over. So SCOTUS could just say the whole thing is now moot and we'll let the lower court rulings stand.
But if they do take up the case, it's going to be fascinating. Trump's stated reason for the ban is to give it time to study the situation and come up with a new policy for the affected countries. So the first thing the supremes will ask is, "What did you find and what did you decide to do?". I can't wait to hear the answer to that question.
all that is true, but fact is, this will be held up on signs as a huge political win for Trump. He can ban muslims now, the court approved his ban.
This and Gorsuch will be the new 'great accomplishments' of DJT.
A steady drip of these wins and the approval ratings will stop falling, and congressional repubs will resume their position of deference to DJT.
How is the post "complete lies?" It's all true and factual. For example 8 GOP led investigations turned up nada on Hillary. 18 investigations didn't confirm anything on Hillary. Hillary did not commit electoral fraud. All of your claims are bogus, delusional right wing drivel.
L L wrote:
The Republicans are incapable of writing a better healthcare plan than Obamacare.
I believe you are right in that they will likely fail to pass a new law, fail to support the current one which means instability, then keep blaming Obamacare for political gain.
Or worse, they actually pass one of their plans and millions will be worse off.
This entire thread has been a sideshow of bickering and finger pointing.
But I haven't seen one Republican or Trump supporter discuss any details of what they'ed like to see passed.
It's just "We won! You lost!"
Come on. We all lost.
I've thought the same thing since the Republicans won--they don't have the votes to create a new system, so they'll end up letting ACA implode. What happens after that is left up to conjecture, but Calif has threatened to start their own system. Looks like another Gold Rush for the healthcare companies!!!
eric a blair wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:What SCOTUS did was really interesting. By the time the case comes to trial, the 90 day period for the executive order will be over. So SCOTUS could just say the whole thing is now moot and we'll let the lower court rulings stand.
But if they do take up the case, it's going to be fascinating. Trump's stated reason for the ban is to give it time to study the situation and come up with a new policy for the affected countries. So the first thing the supremes will ask is, "What did you find and what did you decide to do?". I can't wait to hear the answer to that question.
all that is true, but fact is, this will be held up on signs as a huge political win for Trump. He can ban muslims now, the court approved his ban.
This and Gorsuch will be the new 'great accomplishments' of DJT.
A steady drip of these wins and the approval ratings will stop falling, and congressional repubs will resume their position of deference to DJT.
If they want to call "SCOTUS took the case" a win, I say give it to them.
It's just like the big celebration after the house passed the ACHA. They are celebrating a win before the game is over. Let them eat cake.
L L wrote:
The Russia investigation is getting quiet.
That's a good thing when you are trying to build a case. Don't need evidence leaking out before any trial or hearing.
But the "anti-Trump agenda" has always been that he doesn't speak for the masses and can't get anything done.
oooh another smart libbie! lol
the russia investigation is going bye-bye, don't get triggered !! lol "evidence" - yea hows that worked out for you?? now loretta lynch getting lynched erh.. investigated. the country is realizing how badly the Dems projected their own problems onto Trump. lolol and the "masses" ?? 120 million voted, that's ~60% of eligible voters...or r facts not ur strong suit?? Trump got more than Hillary (hint* she didn't win the popular either ;). lol "can't get anything done" - you really do have brain of nonsense don't u?? emotion over reason, typical libbie. how about filling your safespace with actual NOT-fake news, ehhh? lololol cuck
Fat hurts wrote:
eric a blair wrote:all that is true, but fact is, this will be held up on signs as a huge political win for Trump. He can ban muslims now, the court approved his ban.
This and Gorsuch will be the new 'great accomplishments' of DJT.
A steady drip of these wins and the approval ratings will stop falling, and congressional repubs will resume their position of deference to DJT.
If they want to call "SCOTUS took the case" a win, I say give it to them.
It's just like the big celebration after the house passed the ACHA. They are celebrating a win before the game is over. Let them eat cake.
it's more than just SCOTUS taking the case - SCOTUS is allowing the ban to start in 3 days. With the limitation that you have pointed out. That's an easy win. 'Ban allowed' is closer to the truth than 'ban will be heard by Supreme Court'
Fox News headline shows how this is a victory for trump:
'CLEAR VICTORY': Trump crows as high court reinstates key parts of travel ban; full case on for fall
eric a blair wrote:
Fox News headline shows how this is a victory for trump:
'CLEAR VICTORY': Trump crows as high court reinstates key parts of travel ban; full case on for fall
It is a victory in the sense that Trump managed to get some Muslims banned from entering the country. Although to be honest, I still don't quite understand what parts of the ban are "key" and what parts are not.
Now he's threatening to punish poor people if he doesn't get what he wants....
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-threatens-republicans-may-just-142254080.html
exthrower wrote:
Ha-ha.....High court reinstates temporary travel ban....Once again, liberals get kicked in the teeth......This was never in doubt. We saw liberal, corrupt judges overturn this order based on their emotions and liberal World view, not on the law.....The ninth circus court is once again bitch slapped....They have around 85% of their rulings reversed, do they get embarrassed at some point? It's like having your boss tell you that 85% of your work is done wrong.
the real number is .067%, but who's counting. Trumpers don't need no stinking facts.
8 of their 12,000 cases have been overturned.
"The 9th Circuit is by far the largest circuit. In the 12 months leading up to March, 31, 2015, just under 12,000 cases were filed in the 9th Circuit — more than 4,000 more than the next-largest circuit, the 5th Circuit. Despite that gigantic docket, the Supreme Court heard just 11 cases from the 9th Circuit in 2015, reversing eight.
This means the Supreme Court generally reverses far less than 1 percent of all the cases the 9th Circuit (and other circuits) decide."
The one "problem" with Obamacare is that it needs support and commitment at the federal level to stabilize the markets.
Insurers need to know what the rules will be.
Trump gives no assurances, so they have to set premiums higher.
L L wrote:
The one "problem" with Obamacare is that it needs support and commitment at the federal level to stabilize the markets.
Insurers need to know what the rules will be.
Trump gives no assurances, so they have to set premiums higher.
From a political standpoint, Republicans have zero incentive to support Obamacare at the federal level. It's an interesting question though- do you think if Republicans let the ACA die in ~2-3 years and replace it, will that be acceptable to the voting base who pushed for "repeal" of the ACA?
Count Chocula wrote:
L L wrote:The one "problem" with Obamacare is that it needs support and commitment at the federal level to stabilize the markets.
Insurers need to know what the rules will be.
Trump gives no assurances, so they have to set premiums higher.
From a political standpoint, Republicans have zero incentive to support Obamacare at the federal level. It's an interesting question though- do you think if Republicans let the ACA die in ~2-3 years and replace it, will that be acceptable to the voting base who pushed for "repeal" of the ACA?
disagree that the Rs have no incentive to support ACA - people react very badly to losing their health insurance. I think Rs will take the blame if that happens on their watch and their president.
cant' answer your second - depends what they replace it with.
eric a blair wrote:
the real number is .067%, but who's counting. Trumpers don't need no stinking facts.
8 of their 12,000 cases have been overturned.
"The 9th Circuit is by far the largest circuit. In the 12 months leading up to March, 31, 2015, just under 12,000 cases were filed in the 9th Circuit — more than 4,000 more than the next-largest circuit, the 5th Circuit. Despite that gigantic docket, the Supreme Court heard just 11 cases from the 9th Circuit in 2015, reversing eight.
This means the Supreme Court generally reverses far less than 1 percent of all the cases the 9th Circuit (and other circuits) decide."
another smart libbie! lol
hey cuck, quick maths: 8 divided by 11 equals... equals... 73%! In other words, when moved to SCOTUS, 9th cuck court gets BTFO!!!
ohh and who apointed cucked judge in hawaii??? Obama... and other judge who shot down ban?? None other than cuck-infested maryland! lolol keep trying erica
Trump tweet:
The real story is that President Obama did NOTHING after being informed in August about Russian meddling. With 4 months looking at Russia...
..under a magnifying glass, they have zero "tapes" of T people colluding. There is no collusion & no obstruction. I should be given apology!
Reminds me of Tom Hagen demanding an apology to the Senators for accusing The Godfather of criminal behavior.