Flagpole wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Multiple reports show Joe Biden VP connection lead to money in Hunter’s pocket. Of course that is OK.
You're right. That IS ok. Privilege and power has its perks...legal perks.
That situation has been investigated, and nothing improper was found.
We’ll see how thoroughly it was investigated vis-a-vis the whistleblower’s claim.
Should be fun.
jesseriley wrote:
Flagpole can’t be an arrogant ignoramus; if he was, all the trumpettes would love him! That’s their “type!”
Without Flagpole we would have no nightly, ah and daily entertainment.
jesseriley wrote:
Flagpole can’t be an arrogant ignoramus; if he was, all the trumpettes would love him! That’s their “type!”
CORRECT!
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
You're right. That IS ok. Privilege and power has its perks...legal perks.
That situation has been investigated, and nothing improper was found.
We’ll see how thoroughly it was investigated vis-a-vis the whistleblower’s claim.
Should be fun.
I agree with you there, brother. Peace!
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Multiple reports show Joe Biden VP connection lead to money in Hunter’s pocket. Of course that is OK.
IF that allegation about Hunter Biden is true, then no it’s not ok and I haven’t seen anyone say it is, so stop with the BS deflection.
Dems continue to demonstrate that they have no clue to who President Trump's supporters really are. In 2016:
"The median household income of a Trump voter [midway] in the [2016] primaries [was] about $72,000.
"That figure wasn’t merely above the national median household income, it was higher than the median income for Hillary Clinton’s supporters. . . .
"About 44 percent of Trump supporters [had] college degrees… higher than...the 29 percent of American adults overall, who have at least a bachelor’s degree."
.
Those who think the Trump fans are primarily working-class rednecks were wrong in 2016 and they're wrong now.
https://spectator.org/why-the-dems-will-never-win-back-trump-voters/
kibitzer wrote:
Dems continue to demonstrate that they have no clue to who President Trump's supporters really are. In 2016:
"The median household income of a Trump voter [midway] in the [2016] primaries [was] about $72,000.
"That figure wasn’t merely above the national median household income, it was higher than the median income for Hillary Clinton’s supporters. . . .
"About 44 percent of Trump supporters [had] college degrees… higher than...the 29 percent of American adults overall, who have at least a bachelor’s degree."
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Those who think the Trump fans are primarily working-class rednecks were wrong in 2016 and they're wrong now.
https://spectator.org/why-the-dems-will-never-win-back-trump-voters/
That’s hardly ground breaking news, those facts and figures were reported relatively quickly after the dust settled. They tore holes in the “forgotten man” narrative.
Ciro wrote:
That’s hardly ground breaking news, those facts and figures were reported relatively quickly after the dust settled. They tore holes in the “forgotten man” narrative.
I agree: This info was available and fairly widely reported in 2016.
And yet, then and now, I've heard and read a *ton* of comments about how Trumpistas are trailer-park denizens, toothless ignoramuses, and so on. NOT TRUE--and if the Dems (I'm not just thinking of candidates--I mean ALL Dems) don't start to understand who Trump's people really are, they're going to have trouble beating him.
Trump withholds a 400 million dollar payment to Ukraine until his request that they investigate biden. He makes numerous requests then after one of the meetings he then released money. He gives conflicting answer on why the money was held back and he had no reason why the money was then released.
Now most likely he doesn't come out and say investigate or you won't get your money, but the message is clear.
This is clear and significant abuse of power.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Report intelligence community IG says whistleblower is a partisan supporter of a Democratic Presidential candidate.
Reference?
Sally Vix wrote:
agip wrote:
just an aside on the serious ignorance of right wingers in this country.
i just talked to one who STILL THINKS obama said that business owners didn't build their businesses.
i could list 10 or 20 clearly false things that right wingers genuinely think are true.
or many more than 20.
It's like we have this population of crazy people in our country, and their votes are worth more than our votes because of the senate and the EC.
It's a seriously bad situation.
Here is the entire quote, Agip. It is YOU who is wrong. You need to make a retraction because Obama did exactly say what you are saying IGNORANT Right wingers mistakenly believe he did say.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/obamas-you-didnt-build-that-problem/2012/07/18/gJQAJxyotW_blog.html
Nice job BEING representing that population of crazy people..
Serious Ignorance RULES!
Bring it democrat wrote:
Try and take our guns, you democrat pieces of trash. We’re waiting for you to try.
Wait, wait, what?!? I'm pretty sure that Obama already confiscated all of your guns. Remember, right after he nullified the Constitution and just before he declared himself to be dictator for life?
Sheesh, I would think that you would know these things. Try to keep up on Fox and Breitbart, comrade.
kibitzer wrote:
Ciro wrote:
That’s hardly ground breaking news, those facts and figures were reported relatively quickly after the dust settled. They tore holes in the “forgotten man” narrative.
I agree: This info was available and fairly widely reported in 2016.
And yet, then and now, I've heard and read a *ton* of comments about how Trumpistas are trailer-park denizens, toothless ignoramuses, and so on. NOT TRUE--and if the Dems (I'm not just thinking of candidates--I mean ALL Dems) don't start to understand who Trump's people really are, they're going to have trouble beating him.
I think most people paying attention see through that lazy narrative.
Conundrum wrote:
Trump withholds a 400 million dollar payment to Ukraine until his request that they investigate biden. He makes numerous requests then after one of the meetings he then released money. He gives conflicting answer on why the money was held back and he had no reason why the money was then released.
Now most likely he doesn't come out and say investigate or you won't get your money, but the message is clear.
This is clear and significant abuse of power.
Agreed.
Racket wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Here is the quote: If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
Obama's biggest fault was that he consistently overestimated the general American public. Take this quote for instance. He probably assumed everyone would know what he meant even though it was admittedly a bit clunky and perhaps poorly worded. Unfortunately, the general American public is severely retarded and susceptible to trolls and 1 second sound-bites
He had another massive failure - he was modest and never took credit for any of the goods things that happened while he was president. The economy is a great example, he never boasted, so that allowed right wing media to convince people the economy was somehow in terrible shape.
There is a common denominator of course - it’s the retarded public. Our citizens, especially the common folk, don’t just lack education, they lack common sense and the ability to think through anything slightly complex - even establishing direct cause and effect relationships seem too difficult for most. Trump is great at mobilizing these people, he sure gets them...
Sally Vix wrote:
If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
To me that seems like saying a business owner didn't build it. English is not my first language but it sure seems to say that. "If you have a business, you didn't build it." Pretty straightforward to me. Not sure how you can read it any other way.
Ok. You've answered it. You're a boob.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Report intelligence community IG says whistleblower is a partisan supporter of a Democratic Presidential candidate.
Crooked Alzheimer Joe is done. Americans are not electing Angry Bernie or Pocahontas. And it turns out the so called whistleblower is a DNC puppet. LOL!!!
A Trump landslide is coming.
KAG2020
Ciro wrote:
Conundrum wrote:
Trump withholds a 400 million dollar payment to Ukraine until his request that they investigate biden. He makes numerous requests then after one of the meetings he then released money. He gives conflicting answer on why the money was held back and he had no reason why the money was then released.
Now most likely he doesn't come out and say investigate or you won't get your money, but the message is clear.
This is clear and significant abuse of power.
Agreed.
Pelosi jumped on this so the Dems must be feeling extremely confident. I don’t think she would have bitten if there was simply nothing there. Obstruction of justice was all but proven from the beginning, but there was no tape. Clinton lies under oath, that’s definitive proof of criminality. Dems must be feeling that there is no way to say trump didn’t break the law in this case though. I don’t even think this is a matter of investigation. If they get their hands on that script or recording if there is one, they will hold the evidence and will manage to motivate that many more anti-trump votes.
Now how Republicans vote is a completely different story, all may decide the ship is not going down and may stay behind him. Maybe it will create a big split in the GOP. It doesn’t really even matter as long as there is proof of criminality. This might turn out to be the big out for Rigged and Sally - in the end they could still hang on to “but he wasn’t convicted”...
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Report intelligence community IG says whistleblower is a partisan supporter of a Democratic Presidential candidate.
Crooked Alzheimer Joe is done. Americans are not electing Angry Bernie or Pocahontas. And it turns out the so called whistleblower is a DNC puppet. LOL!!!
A Trump landslide is coming.
KAG2020
Your name calling isn’t going to result in magical new votes for trump, but it’s fun to watch your die hard whataboutisms, disillusionment, and denial as the car you ride speeds up to the edge of the cliff.
Trollminator wrote:
Pelosi jumped on this so the Dems must be feeling extremely confident. I don’t think she would have bitten if there was simply nothing there. Obstruction of justice was all but proven from the beginning, but there was no tape. Clinton lies under oath, that’s definitive proof of criminality. Dems must be feeling that there is no way to say trump didn’t break the law in this case though. I don’t even think this is a matter of investigation. If they get their hands on that script or recording if there is one, they will hold the evidence and will manage to motivate that many more anti-trump votes.
Now how Republicans vote is a completely different story, all may decide the ship is not going down and may stay behind him. Maybe it will create a big split in the GOP. It doesn’t really even matter as long as there is proof of criminality. This might turn out to be the big out for Rigged and Sally - in the end they could still hang on to “but he wasn’t convicted”...
I think this is a mistake on the Dems part. It's certainly too soon. Waiting a week or 10 days probably would have helped the situation in terms of finding what is out there. There is also the perception problem of some Dems who've been screaming for impeachment for 2 years.
I think there is at least as good a chance this blows up in the Dems faces and contributes to a Trump re-election than it does to either a removal from office....which just isn't happening...or a Democratic win in 2020 in the WH and elsewhere.