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6 years ago 09/24/2019 12:36pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
...my problem with her (and this is my admitted bias) is that she is a child with not enough life experience to lecture any adult on anything. Doesn't mean a 16-year-old can't be the face of a cause, but typically those who do that well have had a unique experience. She hasn't had that.
The analogy I'm using is I might agree with everything a 12-year-old says when singing a love song, but that doesn't mean he's the right person to deliver that song.

So who does it well, Al Gore?

Being environmentally friendly was always a non-partisan issue until Al Gore made 'An Inconvenient Truth'.

He did not speak in partisan terms but the fact that he was a Democratic presidential nominee made Republicans think fighting Global Warming was an issue for them to be against.

And to your analogy, people believed in Michael Jackson's love songs more when he was 12 than when he was 40.

6 years ago 09/24/2019 12:42pm EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
Looks like it's game on for impeachment
https://twitter.com/howardfineman/status/1176539782861729792?s=20

I think this is great: 1) there is impeachable evidence that sticks, or 2) it is another Kavanaugh-like disaster. Either way will show the corruption in American politics.

Biden is toast. Warren will be the nominee.

6 years ago 09/24/2019 12:42pm EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
Looks like it's game on for impeachment
https://twitter.com/howardfineman/status/1176539782861729792?s=20

Wow...wonder who could have seen this coming? Um...that would be me.

To the Trumpers who want to dispute that, I have said in this thread that if the House didn't impeach Trump due to what was in the Mueller Report, that they would do it based on something he hadn't yet done. Well, that appears to be coming.

It's quite simple. Trump is a criminal. He has long been a criminal. Criminals gonna criminal. Shame on you Trumpers for supporting him. It is long past time for you to have jumped off his dumb*ss bandwagon, but we've got another stop now if you finally want to get off. You should.

6 years ago 09/24/2019 12:46pm EDT

re: Ghost of Igloi

Ghost of Igloi wrote:
agip wrote:
Looks like it's game on for impeachment
https://twitter.com/howardfineman/status/1176539782861729792?s=20
I think this is great: 1) there is impeachable evidence that sticks, or 2) it is another Kavanaugh-like disaster. Either way will show the corruption in American politics.
Biden is toast. Warren will be the nominee.

You are correct. Biden is toast. The truth will come out and it will harm Biden much more than Trump. Biden is the one who forced the firing of the prosecutor of his son. Biden is absolutely done. Warren will be the nominee and she will go down in flames. Dems - enjoy what you have wrought. Trump for another 5 years.

6 years ago 09/24/2019 12:47pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
I will admit to a bias here (I did this in another thread about Miss Thunberg).
I agree with her message. She seems intelligent and well spoken, and passionate about this topic, and I even see some good things that she is doing this -- perhaps she will inspire others her age to take up the cause (and it's a good cause), and it is fair to hear from a teenager about how they view their still long life to live is being affected, BUT...

Point of fact: There were allegedly some 4 million people participating in Friday's "Climate Strike" in 2500 locations across the globe. This started with her.

...my problem with her (and this is my admitted bias) is that she is a child with not enough life experience to lecture any adult on anything. Doesn't mean a 16-year-old can't be the face of a cause, but typically those who do that well have had a unique experience. She hasn't had that.
The analogy I'm using is I might agree with everything a 12-year-old says when singing a love song, but that doesn't mean he's the right person to deliver that song.

See above.

6 years ago 09/24/2019 12:50pm EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
I think this is great: 1) there is impeachable evidence that sticks, or 2) it is another Kavanaugh-like disaster. Either way will show the corruption in American politics.
Biden is toast. Warren will be the nominee.
You are correct. Biden is toast. The truth will come out and it will harm Biden much more than Trump. Biden is the one who forced the firing of the prosecutor of his son. Biden is absolutely done. Warren will be the nominee and she will go down in flames. Dems - enjoy what you have wrought. Trump for another 5 years.

Sally - are you aware that Biden wanted the prosecutor fired because the prosecutor WASN'T BEING TOUGH ENOUGH?

This whole idea that Biden was protecting his kid is stupid. Biden wanted more prosecution, not less. That's why he and the Europeans wanted this prosecutor gone.

Geez.

Biden is not toast.

6 years ago 09/24/2019 12:50pm EDT

re: Fat hurts

Fat hurts wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
I will admit to a bias here (I did this in another thread about Miss Thunberg).
I agree with her message. She seems intelligent and well spoken, and passionate about this topic, and I even see some good things that she is doing this -- perhaps she will inspire others her age to take up the cause (and it's a good cause), and it is fair to hear from a teenager about how they view their still long life to live is being affected, BUT...
...my problem with her (and this is my admitted bias) is that she is a child with not enough life experience to lecture any adult on anything. Doesn't mean a 16-year-old can't be the face of a cause, but typically those who do that well have had a unique experience. She hasn't had that.
The analogy I'm using is I might agree with everything a 12-year-old says when singing a love song, but that doesn't mean he's the right person to deliver that song.
A young person has moral authority to speak to one thing that the rest of us do not.
It is that we have robbed the future of our children and grandchildren.
"And a child shall lead them." (Isaiah 11:6)

I knew you were going to provide that Bible verse.

Like I said, I get the point about how she has the right to speak and it is even good that she did for the reasons I mentioned. If this is it and she doesn't take on the face of this cause, then that's fine by me. I admit I have a bias against her due to her young age. I also admit that I could be wrong to feel that way, and I will consider it some more. I tend to go with science more than emotion, and I'd rather have the face of this cause be a scientist. I do recognize though that most people probably need an emotional thing to latch onto.

6 years ago 09/24/2019 12:52pm EDT

re: Flagpole

"The evidence suggests Biden actually may have placed his son in legal danger by advocating for the prosecutor’s removal because he was widely accused of stymying anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine — replacing him could have led to further investigations into a company Hunter Biden had ties to."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/23/20879611/joe-biden-hunter-biden-ukraine-corruption-prosecutor-burisma-donald-trump-whistleblower-complaint

6 years ago 09/24/2019 12:54pm EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
You are correct. Biden is toast. The truth will come out and it will harm Biden much more than Trump. Biden is the one who forced the firing of the prosecutor of his son. Biden is absolutely done. Warren will be the nominee and she will go down in flames. Dems - enjoy what you have wrought. Trump for another 5 years.
Sally - are you aware that Biden wanted the prosecutor fired because the prosecutor WASN'T BEING TOUGH ENOUGH?
This whole idea that Biden was protecting his kid is stupid. Biden wanted more prosecution, not less. That's why he and the Europeans wanted this prosecutor gone.
Geez.
Biden is not toast.

Then he must really dislike his son if he wanted the prosecutor to be tougher on his kid. Do I have that right?

6 years ago 09/24/2019 12:54pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
agip wrote:
Looks like it's game on for impeachment
https://twitter.com/howardfineman/status/1176539782861729792?s=20
Wow...wonder who could have seen this coming? Um...that would be me.
To the Trumpers who want to dispute that, I have said in this thread that if the House didn't impeach Trump due to what was in the Mueller Report, that they would do it based on something he hadn't yet done. Well, that appears to be coming.
It's quite simple. Trump is a criminal. He has long been a criminal. Criminals gonna criminal. Shame on you Trumpers for supporting him. It is long past time for you to have jumped off his dumb*ss bandwagon, but we've got another stop now if you finally want to get off. You should.

Here's the problem. You said that he would be impeached based on the Mueller Report. It didn't happen. You said (or may have said) that he would be impeached based on something he hadn't done yet. Great. We all know that if that didn't come to fruition, you would have said something along the lines of "a normal House would have impeached him, but since this is not a normal House, I am right." The poster would said you were Trump-like is correct. You have an issue admitting when you are incorrect, move goalposts, and flat out lie - similar to Trump.

6 years ago 09/24/2019 12:56pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
agip wrote:
Looks like it's game on for impeachment
https://twitter.com/howardfineman/status/1176539782861729792?s=20
Wow...wonder who could have seen this coming? Um...that would be me.
To the Trumpers who want to dispute that, I have said in this thread that if the House didn't impeach Trump due to what was in the Mueller Report, that they would do it based on something he hadn't yet done. Well, that appears to be coming.
It's quite simple. Trump is a criminal. He has long been a criminal. Criminals gonna criminal. Shame on you Trumpers for supporting him. It is long past time for you to have jumped off his dumb*ss bandwagon, but we've got another stop now if you finally want to get off. You should.

The Radical Democrats have been in control of the House for sometime, so I see this as inevitable. I think back to a different time when the Radical Republicans forced the impeachment of Andrew Johnson. It should be great theatre, while the ship that is the American state continues to sail directionless.

6 years ago 09/24/2019 12:57pm EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
agip wrote:
Sally - are you aware that Biden wanted the prosecutor fired because the prosecutor WASN'T BEING TOUGH ENOUGH?
This whole idea that Biden was protecting his kid is stupid. Biden wanted more prosecution, not less. That's why he and the Europeans wanted this prosecutor gone.
Geez.
Biden is not toast.
Then he must really dislike his son if he wanted the prosecutor to be tougher on his kid. Do I have that right?

no you don't have it right. The veep wanted to help Ukraine be less corrupt. That's what he wanted. The prosecutor was standing in the way. So Biden pushed for him to be fired. That's the deal.

Not all families are corrupt crime families like the trumps.

6 years ago 09/24/2019 12:59pm EDT

re: agip

6 years ago 09/24/2019 1:00pm EDT

re: XC Runner '20

XC Runner '20 wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Wow...wonder who could have seen this coming? Um...that would be me.
To the Trumpers who want to dispute that, I have said in this thread that if the House didn't impeach Trump due to what was in the Mueller Report, that they would do it based on something he hadn't yet done. Well, that appears to be coming.
It's quite simple. Trump is a criminal. He has long been a criminal. Criminals gonna criminal. Shame on you Trumpers for supporting him. It is long past time for you to have jumped off his dumb*ss bandwagon, but we've got another stop now if you finally want to get off. You should.
Here's the problem. You said that he would be impeached based on the Mueller Report. It didn't happen. You said (or may have said) that he would be impeached based on something he hadn't done yet. Great. We all know that if that didn't come to fruition, you would have said something along the lines of "a normal House would have impeached him, but since this is not a normal House, I am right." The poster would said you were Trump-like is correct. You have an issue admitting when you are incorrect, move goalposts, and flat out lie - similar to Trump.

We are talking Flagpole here. He has no scruples. No ethical bearings. He is a quacksalver ... a fraud. He never admits any wrongdoing.

6 years ago 09/24/2019 1:01pm EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
You are correct. Biden is toast. The truth will come out and it will harm Biden much more than Trump. Biden is the one who forced the firing of the prosecutor of his son. Biden is absolutely done. Warren will be the nominee and she will go down in flames. Dems - enjoy what you have wrought. Trump for another 5 years.
Sally - are you aware that Biden wanted the prosecutor fired because the prosecutor WASN'T BEING TOUGH ENOUGH?
This whole idea that Biden was protecting his kid is stupid. Biden wanted more prosecution, not less. That's why he and the Europeans wanted this prosecutor gone.
Geez.
Biden is not toast.

Again agip, why do you engage with this nonsense? Hunter wasn't even going to be prosecuted. His company was under investigation, but he joined it after the investigation began. I suggest again that you do not reply to that ignorant poster.

For those of you new here or stupid enough to believe ignorant Sally knows anything about anything, read this quote that comes from this source -

https://theweek.com/speedreads/866959/trumps-allegations-about-joe-hunter-biden-dont-seem-have-merit-even-make-much-sense

"Shokin was not aggressively pursuing investigations into Mr. Zlochevsky or Burisma," he "was using the threat of prosecution to try to solicit bribes from Mr. Zlochevsky and his team."

Everyone and their brother was actively trying to get Shokin to resign, because he was corrupt.

It is hard to believe that in today's news-heavy age that someone can be as stupid as Sally continues to show he is. Again agip, I suggest you don't reply to that poster anymore.

6 years ago 09/24/2019 1:01pm EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Biden is toast.
You are correct. Biden is toast. The truth will come out and it will harm Biden much more than Trump. Biden is the one who forced the firing of the prosecutor of his son. Biden is absolutely done. Warren will be the nominee and she will go down in flames. Dems - enjoy what you have wrought. Trump for another 5 years.

As a public service for those just joining the thread, Sally thinks Trump is a horrible person and Iggy thinks politics is corrupt across parties. This might not be clear from "Biden is going down!" as a reaction to alleged impending impeachment proceedings against Trump.

6 years ago 09/24/2019 1:04pm EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Then he must really dislike his son if he wanted the prosecutor to be tougher on his kid. Do I have that right?
no you don't have it right. The veep wanted to help Ukraine be less corrupt. That's what he wanted. The prosecutor was standing in the way. So Biden pushed for him to be fired. That's the deal.
Not all families are corrupt crime families like the trumps.

Fair enough, Agip. FYI - Biden is the only Dem I think could beat Trump. People like his past experience (as VP with Obama) and he seems like a decent guy. If he goes down, Middle America is never going to support Warren or Sanders - free health care for illegals, Medicare for all, student loan forgiveness. Middle Americans are working their assses off and they can't pay for the health care of illegals here.

6 years ago 09/24/2019 1:05pm EDT

re: Fat hurts

Fat hurts wrote:
Racket wrote:
That's pretty cynical even though I generally agree. But why can't a kid be concerned about the future in his or her own right? The fact that we think of her as an instrument of activist groups is indicative of the amount of cynicism that's permeated through modern American society.
Her message was generally trite and sadly ironic as it seems to me that getting upset in the name of climate change and marching in the streets without a clear and actionable plan forward is the exact kind of and slacktivist and banality she cheered against and for which she criticized world leaders.
She does have a clear and actionable plan forward. She tells us to unite behind the science. That's as clear as it gets.
That is what a 16 year old can do. She does not have political power. She can not make laws. But she can speak truth to power and effect change.
And it is working. I just hope it is not too late.

Yeah, "unite behind the science" isn't an epic platitude at all. I'd say don't make me laugh, but it's far too late for that.

It's interesting that climate change is/has gone the way of modern politics. The loudest people have hijacked various reasonable environmental movements and pushed them to the extremes. Skeptics claim the government wants all your money and to take over in the name of some sort of Eco-fascsim (which our friend Fat Hurts has actually advocated for in his "We Must Invade Brazil" thesis) and people like Greta have spiraled into some tragic sense of immediate impending doom where the only solution is, at a minimum, to spend trillions of dollars on several green initiatives (all of which are definitely legit of course).

6 years ago 09/24/2019 1:07pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
agip wrote:
Sally - are you aware that Biden wanted the prosecutor fired because the prosecutor WASN'T BEING TOUGH ENOUGH?
This whole idea that Biden was protecting his kid is stupid. Biden wanted more prosecution, not less. That's why he and the Europeans wanted this prosecutor gone.
Geez.
Biden is not toast.
Again agip, why do you engage with this nonsense? Hunter wasn't even going to be prosecuted. His company was under investigation, but he joined it after the investigation began. I suggest again that you do not reply to that ignorant poster.
For those of you new here or stupid enough to believe ignorant Sally knows anything about anything, read this quote that comes from this source -
https://theweek.com/speedreads/866959/trumps-allegations-about-joe-hunter-biden-dont-seem-have-merit-even-make-much-sense
:
"Shokin was not aggressively pursuing investigations into Mr. Zlochevsky or Burisma," he "was using the threat of prosecution to try to solicit bribes from Mr. Zlochevsky and his team."
Everyone and their brother was actively trying to get Shokin to resign, because he was corrupt.
It is hard to believe that in today's news-heavy age that someone can be as stupid as Sally continues to show he is. Again agip, I suggest you don't reply to that poster anymore.

This all from the One who gleefully calls women whores. Well done, Flagpole! You are 50-ish and gleefully call women whores. Were you brought up in a sewer? You mama never taught you how to treat women?

6 years ago 09/24/2019 1:10pm EDT

re: XC Runner '20

XC Runner '20 wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Wow...wonder who could have seen this coming? Um...that would be me.
To the Trumpers who want to dispute that, I have said in this thread that if the House didn't impeach Trump due to what was in the Mueller Report, that they would do it based on something he hadn't yet done. Well, that appears to be coming.
It's quite simple. Trump is a criminal. He has long been a criminal. Criminals gonna criminal. Shame on you Trumpers for supporting him. It is long past time for you to have jumped off his dumb*ss bandwagon, but we've got another stop now if you finally want to get off. You should.
Here's the problem. You said that he would be impeached based on the Mueller Report. It didn't happen. You said (or may have said) that he would be impeached based on something he hadn't done yet. Great. We all know that if that didn't come to fruition, you would have said something along the lines of "a normal House would have impeached him, but since this is not a normal House, I am right." The poster would said you were Trump-like is correct. You have an issue admitting when you are incorrect, move goalposts, and flat out lie - similar to Trump.

1) Talk to me when the articles of impeachment are drawn up.

2) Yes, I predicted that he would be impeached based on the Mueller Report, but I ALSO said that if for some reason that didn't happen they would impeach him based on something he had yet to do.

3) You are incorrect about my saying whatever you are saying about a "normal house". I never do anything like that ever, and you will not be able to find an example of it.

4) You can not find one lie I have ever told here. I challenge you to do it.

5) I do not move the goal posts either. I also challenge you to find an example.

6) I have also mentioned MANY times when I was wrong or that I MIGHT be wrong about something. I just did that today in this thread with regard to Miss Thunberg. When I am wrong, I ALWAYS say so, often with the phrase, "I apologize unreservedly", so if you go search for "unreservedly" you will see that I have done that many many times and you will thus see that you are wrong with that accusation.

Trump will be impeached.

Trump will not win in 2020.

The Senate MIGHT NOT convict him. I predicted that it would, so I COULD be wrong abut that. Again, I admit when I am wrong every time without fail.

Trump will go to prison after he is out of office (unless he dies before he gets through the process, or there is criminal or space alien behavior that prevents it).

Mueller is still coming.

The clown is done.

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