do you think 2 months is a long time??? most highschool athletes are already tapering and peaking for state right now. The current rankings are pretty much what the final standings will be at the end of the season lets be honest with ourselves here.
do you think 2 months is a long time??? most highschool athletes are already tapering and peaking for state right now. The current rankings are pretty much what the final standings will be at the end of the season lets be honest with ourselves here.
I refuse to believe you've gone through more than a season of XC and track because 2 months is an eternity in running. Do you have any idea what can happen in 2 months? How people adapt or get injured to training? Iseen XC teams go from state meet podium contenders to barely making section finals over the span of 2 months, ever single year.
All the young talent that was able to break 15:00 at Woodbridge this year. Woodbridge 2023 (3.02 course)
Evan Noonan - 13:41 -> 14:04 Westin Brown - 14:09 -> injured Broen Holman - 14:14 -> 13:57 Eyan Turk - 14:20 -> 13:57 Liam Miller - 14:29 -> 14:02 Grant Miller - 14:32 -> 14:24 Carson Hedlund - 14:33 -> injured Christian Yoder - 14:34 -> 14:15 Andrew Burr - 14:35 -> injured Bradley Arrey - 14:36 -> 14:26 Zion Ortiz - 14:37 - 14:08 Miles Cook - 14:40 - na Arrin Sagiraju - 14:40 - 14:19 Alex Valencia - 14:46 - injured? Sebastian Pereza - 14:46 - 14:43 Hunter Lee - 14:48 - 14:43 Luke Friedl - 14:48 - 14:38 Jacob Brown - 14:48 - 14:41 Oliver Clippinger - 14:49 - 14:24 Cooper McNee - 14:50 - 14:16
From an improvement standpoint, Liam Miller (drops 27 seconds off of an already low time of 14:29) and Cooper McNee (drops 34 seconds) was the most impressive. Granted this level of improvement is rare, it's not impossible.
Granted last year, Friday races were also 3.08 so times weren’t taken from that race. As for improvements, year to year, the most important thing is to be consistent and finding a training plan that works best for your body. As you can see, almost everyone improved their times from last year.
Hopefully the young talent we have this year can give a better run at Woodbridge 2025 to some of the top northwest, southwest, south individual talents next year. They went 1-6 on us this year individually, afterall.
Thanks for collecting that. I would say though that the course definitely was some X seconds faster this year, and in XC, time doesn't really matter, it is your placing (or relative performance). To that end, I tend to use speed ratings to compare improvements on a year-to-year basis on a same (or nearly same) course. In other words, you can run faster, but still lose ground on your competition if they are getting even faster (due to a shorter course, better weather, new shoes, etc). So that would be my question, How much did the top Cal runners improve their speed rating? Yes, I know speed ratings aren't perfect, and isn't the be-all solution, but it is in my view a better indicator than comparing times in different years on slightly different courses. But again, thanks for making the list. I was hoping to find some "mega-merge" of Woodbridge, but I guess nobody makes one.
From an improvement standpoint, Liam Miller (drops 27 seconds off of an already low time of 14:29) and Cooper McNee (drops 34 seconds) was the most impressive. Granted this level of improvement is rare, it's not impossible.
Granted last year, Friday races were also 3.08 so times weren’t taken from that race. As for improvements, year to year, the most important thing is to be consistent and finding a training plan that works best for your body. As you can see, almost everyone improved their times from last year.
Hopefully the young talent we have this year can give a better run at Woodbridge 2025 to some of the top northwest, southwest, south individual talents next year. They went 1-6 on us this year individually, afterall.
Supposedly McNee got tripped last year in 2023 race, otherwise he would have finished closer to his teammate Yoder like they did in the 2024 race. They basically finish every race within 5 seconds of each other looking at athletic net results.
Surprised they didn't toss Menlo on there somewhere in the top 5 given their #1 CA Woodbridge time.
Great Oak holding on to a spot given the expectation of them having their #1 guy back sometime this season, but I think they should have been left off this time since that's still unknown.
Surprised they didn't toss Menlo on there somewhere in the top 5 given their #1 CA Woodbridge time.
Great Oak holding on to a spot given the expectation of them having their #1 guy back sometime this season, but I think they should have been left off this time since that's still unknown.
I agree that Menlo should be on there. And that Great Oak shouldn’t be top 5 right now. Even if does return, it doesn’t automatically mean he will return to full health
I agree that Menlo should be on there. And that Great Oak shouldn’t be top 5 right now. Even if does return, it doesn’t automatically mean he will return to full health
Surprised they didn't toss Menlo on there somewhere in the top 5 given their #1 CA Woodbridge time.
Great Oak holding on to a spot given the expectation of them having their #1 guy back sometime this season, but I think they should have been left off this time since that's still unknown.
I agree that Menlo should be on there. And that Great Oak shouldn’t be top 5 right now. Even if does return, it doesn’t automatically mean he will return to full health
With Peetree at full strength and the Hausers in the mix, Menlo might be top 3-4 in the country. The Disneyland trip cost them some accolades I guess
I agree that Menlo should be on there. And that Great Oak shouldn’t be top 5 right now. Even if does return, it doesn’t automatically mean he will return to full health
With Peetree at full strength and the Hausers in the mix, Menlo might be top 3-4 in the country. The Disneyland trip cost them some accolades I guess
0 california teams included in all ranking sites in the top 30 teams. California is the only region that doesn't have a nationally ranked team this year.
Honestly these mile split rankings really just rely on legacy teams instead of focusing on real and current results. Really dissapointing seeing people rank great oak above much stronger teams just because they have a legacy. Menlo posted the number 1 team time from california in a normal varsity race and they are just ignored due to a lack of a strong legacy. Really emberrasing honestly.
Mira Costa and Matilda Torres in the Honorable mention. Both teams are losing only 2 seniors and have some depth, and should be better next year along with Jesuit
With Peetree at full strength and the Hausers in the mix, Menlo might be top 3-4 in the country. The Disneyland trip cost them some accolades I guess
0 california teams included in all ranking sites in the top 30 teams. California is the only region that doesn't have a nationally ranked team this year.
As of 9/26, and based on what teams have shown this year, that is correct. I expect that won't be true after the state meet on Nov. 30th. None of the "Big 3", ML King, Great Oak and Jesuit have been able to get a big showing in a big meet yet. Even the next 2, Buchanan and Beckman haven't had a real strong meet yet. Mira Costa and Menlo have caught up to them now, but somewhat due to the others falling back. The Bob Firman Invitational this weekend will be interesting, because you have a few California teams of various levels going against out of state competition. The week after has Jesuit at Nike Portland.
My data set for teams with the best average speed rating in california
BOYS National Rank / Team Name (section) / Average 5 man speed rating 22 Matilda Torres (CS) 172.24 24 Menlo School (CC) 172.07 32 Mira Costa (SS) 170.84 33 ML King (SS) 170.79 39 Buchanan (CS) 169.76 43 Glendora (SS) 169.51 52 Oaks Christian (SS) 169.24 60 Clovis East (CS) 168.53 65 Great Oak (SS) 168.33 67 Bellarmine College Prep (CC) 168.19 68 Clovis North (CS) 168.17 71 Mountain View (CC) 167.71 88 Redondo Union (SS) 166.58 90 JSerra Catholic (SS) 166.43 96 Woodbridge (SS) 165.94 97 Hart (William S.) (SS) 165.93 105 Arnold O. Beckman (SS) 165.42 107 El Toro (SS) 165.40 125 Crescenta Valley (SS) 164.65 126 Polytechnic - Riverside (SS) 164.60 GIRLS National Rank / Team Name (section) / Average 5 man speed rating 1 Santiago Corona (SS) 132.84 3 Ventura (SS) 131.46 6 Buchanan (CS) 126.45 14 JSerra Catholic (SS) 121.57 24 El Toro (SS) 118.01 27 Tesoro (SS) 117.49 35 Monte Vista (NC) 115.33 40 Claremont (SS) 114.25 46 Del Norte (SD) 113.35 47 Murrieta Valley (SS) 113.18 50 Cathedral Catholic (SD) 112.47 59 Scripps Ranch (SD) 111.79 60 Crescenta Valley (SS) 111.76 70 Great Oak (SS) 110.03 73 South Pasadena (SS) 109.14 75 Mira Costa (SS) 109.08