After yesterday's big drop, what let's see how Ol' Flagpole is doing against the Dow (I do not know yet...)
Dow YTD: UP 2.69%
Flagpole YTD: UP 5.69%
So, exactly 3% up on the Dow as of today.
are you counting dividends in your citing of the Dow?
I have already told you that I will not tell you if I include dividends or not...only because I know it bothers you so, and you are someone who needs to be bothered.
are you counting dividends in your citing of the Dow?
I have already told you that I will not tell you if I include dividends or not...only because I know it bothers you so, and you are someone who needs to be bothered.
Oh man...I swear I though Sally had written that. YOU, agip do not need to be bothered.
I still will answer the question because it bothers Sally so much.
Oh man...I swear I thought Sally had written that. YOU, agip do not need to be bothered. I still will NOT answer the question because it bothers Sally so much.
Oh man...I swear I thought Sally had written that. YOU, agip do not need to be bothered. I still will NOT answer the question because it bothers Sally so much.
I don't really give a f*ck if you tell us if you are including dividends, but you don't really understand numbers and the market, etc. I was going to write something but your knowledge of the market is kind of low so not going to bother. Keep saying the 37 out of 33 and we will keep giggling in private.
are you counting dividends in your citing of the Dow? You get paid dividends in your accounts so you have count those when comparing to the Dow, otherwise you are giving yourself an unfair advantage.
Just use the ETF with the ticker DIA as your proxy and look up its total return on Morningstar. That will count dividends.
After yesterday's rally the Dow is up 4.44% year to date.
Of course the Sp500 is a much better benchmark for you - that one is up 10.6% year to date.
Which just shows again that you have a tech/growthy portfolio and that explains why you have beaten the Dow - it's not as tech/growthy as the SP500.
Also, if Flagpole does have a tech/growth portfolio, his good years will almost always be better than the Dow, but his bad years will usually be worse than the Dow. You can't have it both ways. A tech-heavy portfolio is much more volatile than the more conservative Dow.
I do not have a tech-heavy portfolio. Also, I can have it any way I want it. Burger King says so, and I make it so.
Oh man...I swear I thought Sally had written that. YOU, agip do not need to be bothered. I still will NOT answer the question because it bothers Sally so much.
I don't really give a f*ck if you tell us if you are including dividends, but you don't really understand numbers and the market, etc. I was going to write something but your knowledge of the market is kind of low so not going to bother. Keep saying the 37 out of 33 and we will keep giggling in private.
1) Oh, you care. You care A LOT.
2) I understand numbers and the market. I have made more than you have and you're older and didn't retire when I did...because of um...understanding numbers and the market.
I don't really give a f*ck if you tell us if you are including dividends, but you don't really understand numbers and the market, etc. I was going to write something but your knowledge of the market is kind of low so not going to bother. Keep saying the 37 out of 33 and we will keep giggling in private.
1) Oh, you care. You care A LOT.
2) I understand numbers and the market. I have made more than you have and you're older and didn't retire when I did...because of um...understanding numbers and the market.
I find it curious that someone would claim to have made more than someone else, which they cannot possibly know (based on the information available), yet will not disclose how they arrive at their calculated returns, which they would have to know in order to make said calculations and determinations.
This seems curious to me, as I have said - that someone insists on things they cannot know, but will not disclose those that he does.
Credibality rating: low.
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Flaphole is a narcissistic blowhard. Nobody ever knows what somebody else has in their pocket. There is no factual basis available to anybody to compare net worth among posters in this chat. We can all make guesses where we and others fit on the DGTD wealth scale, but that’s all they will ever be.
My best guess is that Flaphole’s actual wealth lies between those of the Democrat Presidential nominee and her running mate. I think he would have us imagine he fits between the GOP running mates.
2) I understand numbers and the market. I have made more than you have and you're older and didn't retire when I did...because of um...understanding numbers and the market.
I find it curious that someone would claim to have made more than someone else, which they cannot possibly know (based on the information available), yet will not disclose how they arrive at their calculated returns, which they would have to know in order to make said calculations and determinations.
This seems curious to me, as I have said - that someone insists on this they cannot know but will not disclose those that he does.
Credibality rating: low.
I know based on comments Sally has made over the years that I have made more than he has. No guessing. No not knowing. Also, I have a sh!tpile. It is actually insane how much I have made in the stock market since 1989. Sally never talks like that...and it's not because he's humble either. Also, I know from researching that the amount of investment money I have based on the income my wife and I have made over our working lives is just about the top of the top. Would be outrageously rare for him to have more than I do...not earned anyway.
I have been as forthcoming as I plan to be. I have actually talked about it more than any of you have. Two big (forced) individual stocks early on that luckily did super well as that's how two separate companies I worked for did their matching, but then just heavy uninterrupted investing and solid annual average returns since. The path was available to anyone my age, but very few of us took it.
Do I count dividends in my figuring? Why would I answer that knowing that Sally stays awake at night wondering?
2) I understand numbers and the market. I have made more than you have and you're older and didn't retire when I did...because of um...understanding numbers and the market.
I find it curious that someone would claim to have made more than someone else, which they cannot possibly know (based on the information available), yet will not disclose how they arrive at their calculated returns, which they would have to know in order to make said calculations and determinations.
This seems curious to me, as I have said - that someone insists on things they cannot know, but will not disclose those that he does.
Credibality rating: low.
Flagpole's portfolio resembles the S & P especially since he insists he doesn't have many tech stocks. So his portfolio's performance maybe doesn't mirror the performance of the S & P but was close to being aligned with it. In 2008 the S & P lost about 57%. Quite a horrible year. Flagpole's performance that year was likely about the same. In 2008 the Dow only lost about 33%. So there is no way in hell that Flagpole's portfolio beat the Dow that year. That is just one year and I could go year by year and would likely find, if Flagpole is lucky, a 1/1 performance ratio. Yet he still claims he has beat the Dow 35 out of 37 years. Comical to even claim that.
I find it curious that someone would claim to have made more than someone else, which they cannot possibly know (based on the information available), yet will not disclose how they arrive at their calculated returns, which they would have to know in order to make said calculations and determinations.
This seems curious to me, as I have said - that someone insists on this they cannot know but will not disclose those that he does.
Credibality rating: low.
I know based on comments Sally has made over the years that I have made more than he has. No guessing. No not knowing. Also, I have a sh!tpile. It is actually insane how much I have made in the stock market since 1989. Sally never talks like that...and it's not because he's humble either. Also, I know from researching that the amount of investment money I have based on the income my wife and I have made over our working lives is just about the top of the top. Would be outrageously rare for him to have more than I do...not earned anyway.
I have been as forthcoming as I plan to be. I have actually talked about it more than any of you have. Two big (forced) individual stocks early on that luckily did super well as that's how two separate companies I worked for did their matching, but then just heavy uninterrupted investing and solid annual average returns since. The path was available to anyone my age, but very few of us took it.
Do I count dividends in my figuring? Why would I answer that knowing that Sally stays awake at night wondering?
How do you know that you have made more than I have? I have substantial investments in the stock market but I also have substantially larger investments in oil and gas which is my area of expertise. Quit with your crazy claims.
I find it curious that someone would claim to have made more than someone else, which they cannot possibly know (based on the information available), yet will not disclose how they arrive at their calculated returns, which they would have to know in order to make said calculations and determinations.
This seems curious to me, as I have said - that someone insists on this they cannot know but will not disclose those that he does.
Credibality rating: low.
I know based on comments Sally has made over the years that I have made more than he has. No guessing. No not knowing. Also, I have a sh!tpile. It is actually insane how much I have made in the stock market since 1989. Sally never talks like that...and it's not because he's humble either. Also, I know from researching that the amount of investment money I have based on the income my wife and I have made over our working lives is just about the top of the top. Would be outrageously rare for him to have more than I do...not earned anyway.
I have been as forthcoming as I plan to be. I have actually talked about it more than any of you have. Two big (forced) individual stocks early on that luckily did super well as that's how two separate companies I worked for did their matching, but then just heavy uninterrupted investing and solid annual average returns since. The path was available to anyone my age, but very few of us took it.
Do I count dividends in my figuring? Why would I answer that knowing that Sally stays awake at night wondering?
I seriously doubt you even know what a dividend is.
Flaphole is a narcissistic blowhard. Nobody ever knows what somebody else has in their pocket. There is no factual basis available to anybody to compare net worth among posters in this chat. We can all make guesses where we and others fit on the DGTD wealth scale, but that’s all they will ever be.
My best guess is that Flaphole’s actual wealth lies between those of the Democrat Presidential nominee and her running mate. I think he would have us imagine he fits between the GOP running mates.
1) INCORRECT!
2) You have 12 cents in your pocket right now, and you should put it in the coin jar you have. Really though, you should separate the pennies out and have two jars instead of the one.
3) Regarding the ranges, that's quite a big range in both cases. Harris and her husband have an estimated $8 million dollars in net worth. Walz has about $330,000 in net worth though he has a pension that is nice. Trump is worth on paper today about $5 billion (down from $7.6 billion just a couple months ago, and it will continue to drop as most of that is his Truth Social valuation which is nonsense). JD Vance is reportedly worth $10 million. Any retired person in the US who considered themselves comfortable would fall within the Harris-Walz range, though I would call the upper part of that range more than comfortable. Is $10 million a "sh!tpile?" Who knows? What about the range between the two of $8-$10 million?
I know based on comments Sally has made over the years that I have made more than he has. No guessing. No not knowing. Also, I have a sh!tpile. It is actually insane how much I have made in the stock market since 1989. Sally never talks like that...and it's not because he's humble either. Also, I know from researching that the amount of investment money I have based on the income my wife and I have made over our working lives is just about the top of the top. Would be outrageously rare for him to have more than I do...not earned anyway.
I have been as forthcoming as I plan to be. I have actually talked about it more than any of you have. Two big (forced) individual stocks early on that luckily did super well as that's how two separate companies I worked for did their matching, but then just heavy uninterrupted investing and solid annual average returns since. The path was available to anyone my age, but very few of us took it.
Do I count dividends in my figuring? Why would I answer that knowing that Sally stays awake at night wondering?
I seriously doubt you even know what a dividend is.
I seriously doubt you even know what a dividend is.
Dude, try harder. 0/10
I am not even trying. I have never talked about how much I am worth here. I HAVE found that people who continually talk about how rich they are (you are the only one), how smart they are and how happy they are are usually none of the three.
I know based on comments Sally has made over the years that I have made more than he has. No guessing. No not knowing. Also, I have a sh!tpile. It is actually insane how much I have made in the stock market since 1989. Sally never talks like that...and it's not because he's humble either. Also, I know from researching that the amount of investment money I have based on the income my wife and I have made over our working lives is just about the top of the top. Would be outrageously rare for him to have more than I do...not earned anyway.
I have been as forthcoming as I plan to be. I have actually talked about it more than any of you have. Two big (forced) individual stocks early on that luckily did super well as that's how two separate companies I worked for did their matching, but then just heavy uninterrupted investing and solid annual average returns since. The path was available to anyone my age, but very few of us took it.
Do I count dividends in my figuring? Why would I answer that knowing that Sally stays awake at night wondering?
How do you know that you have made more than I have? I have substantial investments in the stock market but I also have substantially larger investments in oil and gas which is my area of expertise. Quit with your crazy claims.
Do you consider what you have to be a "sh!tpile?" Do you statistically have MUCH more than what would put you in the 99th percentile of all US investors? And I mean MUCH more. No. You don't.
I knew the numbers when I offered the comparison. I’ll refine my best guess and put you in the lower half of the range you gave between Democrat running mates, since I had Harris’ individual wealth in mind, not family wealth. Like all blowhards, you talk way louder than you should.
I find it curious that someone would claim to have made more than someone else, which they cannot possibly know (based on the information available), yet will not disclose how they arrive at their calculated returns, which they would have to know in order to make said calculations and determinations.
This seems curious to me, as I have said - that someone insists on things they cannot know, but will not disclose those that he does.
Credibality rating: low.
Flagpole's portfolio resembles the S & P especially since he insists he doesn't have many tech stocks. So his portfolio's performance maybe doesn't mirror the performance of the S & P but was close to being aligned with it. In 2008 the S & P lost about 57%. Quite a horrible year. Flagpole's performance that year was likely about the same. In 2008 the Dow only lost about 33%. So there is no way in hell that Flagpole's portfolio beat the Dow that year. That is just one year and I could go year by year and would likely find, if Flagpole is lucky, a 1/1 performance ratio. Yet he still claims he has beat the Dow 35 out of 37 years. Comical to even claim that.
Brother, I have joked about this keeping you up at night, but seriously, I think it might be, and you need to stop with that. How much I have made in the stock market and whether I count dividends or not should not matter to you one bit. I don't care how much you have or how it was acquired.
Why would you think that my portfolio over the years has been the same? Why would you believe that my portfolio today in 2024 was the same in 2008? That was 16 year ago?! Also, do you know if 2008 was a year I beat the Dow or not? I do not have a perfect record against the Dow after all, and you don't even know what it is as you get it wrong everytime you reference it.
I knew the numbers when I offered the comparison. I’ll refine my best guess and put you in the lower half of the range you gave between Democrat running mates, since I had Harris’ individual wealth in mind, not family wealth. Like all blowhards, you talk way louder than you should.
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