This is pretty important news that I haven't seen elsewhere. The most recent WH visitor logs as of 1 April 2024 show that Dr. Kevin R. Cannard, a neurologist and movement disorders specialist at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center who researches treatments for “early phase Parkinson’s disease” has visited the White House nine times from 28 July 2023 to 1 April 2024. Nine times! That's once a month! Why is a neurologist with specialized research in treatments for early stage Parkinson's Disease visiting the White House doctor so often? This should be all over the news! Let's see when it gets coverage in mainstream media.
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agip wrote:
the most perfect outcome of the debate debacle is that after two weeks it is forgotten and the polls go back to where they were before the debate.
It may have already started. The 538 model is already falling back toward Biden after moving in trump's direction after the debate. It's back to even already.
Nothing in the news matters. No one changes their mind, not really. It's all about turnout. Which party can get more people out to the polls on the day. Or send in early ballots. That party will win.
I told you so.
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Reality Czech wrote:
agip wrote:
the most perfect outcome of the debate debacle is that after two weeks it is forgotten and the polls go back to where they were before the debate.
It may have already started. The 538 model is already falling back toward Biden after moving in trump's direction after the debate. It's back to even already.
Nothing in the news matters. No one changes their mind, not really. It's all about turnout. Which party can get more people out to the polls on the day. Or send in early ballots. That party will win.
I told you so.
Or get the most unverified ballots counted in the dead of the night in precincts thousands of miles apart from each other.
Makes me think of the Chinese spy balloon that Biden and his supporters gladly allowed to fly for a week over our homeland.
#timetocleanupthedirty
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agip wrote:
JustMe22 wrote:
This is a really interesting hot take. It contains many factual errors, and I just wanted to point them out...
The mRNA vaccine was started under the Trump administration. It was dubbed "Operation Warp Speed.: Citation:
You say "Republicans" killed thousands of people, but you ignore something important: people have a right to decide whether or not to take the vaccine. And the vaccine, particularly it's effectiveness, is matter of hotly contested debate. Your argument skips over the personal choice element and assumes that the vaccine is life-saving in all cases...where you freely admit that Covid itself isn't fatal absent of comorbidity (obesity and the myriad complications that come with it being the most frequent example).
What else. Oh...the vaccine was actually treated as a political matter, which was a huge mistake, as viruses do not care who you vote for. Let's foreshore this: here is now VP Kamala Harris (perhaps your next last, best hope...so may God help you) telling all of America that she won't take the vaccine "if Donald Trump tells us to take it:"
Now, back to you...where are you getting the "R's died at a higher rate" claim from. And, more directly, why isn't that *good* news for you, as you have expressed disdain and even contempt for Republicans so many times I've lost count.
People who are not you not doing what you want them to do? You know this is America, right?
so much gobbledygook.
yes, Rs made vaccines into a political issue. They said it was bad and should not be taken. Don't sugar coat it. Not all Rs but enough to kill tens of thousands of Americans. They said all kinds of nonsense about the vaccines. Not based on science. And of course russia, china and the GOP had the same message: don't take the dangerous vaccine. So often together on message , russia china and the GOP. Think about that.
sure, freedom. Yeah ok. Whatever. Free dumb. We have lots of dead Americans who didn't have to die. Kids without parents, etc. Why do you think vaccines are mandatory in schools and the military? To save lives and protect the herd. It's called civilization. We all have to give up some freedom to make a civilization. That's the basis of laws.
harris said if scientists said the vaccine was safe she would take it. If only trump said it was safe she would not. This is a very smart policy.
As for Rs dying out of proportion, use google. Here's a start.
Gobbledygook? Is that the best you can do? I’m used to you dismissing claims that have been fact checked a documented with blanket claims of “talking points” or even “disinformation.” But gobbledygook hits a new low of low-effort. Should I call your response “gookelygob” and leave it like that
Republicans made the vaccine a political issue? Cite your source, not your bias, and you might have an argument. Did the Trump administration work closely with social media outlets to make sure that anti-vax claims were promptly removed so that people wouldn’t see them, in clear violation of the First Amendment? Such that the case, Missouri v McCarthy was heard by the Supreme Court? No…that was the Biden administration.
You conveniently ignored my clip of our Vice President saying she wouldn’t take what she referred to as the “Trump vaccine” before it was released. I get that it seriously undermines your argument about Dems always being pro-vaccine and right about their policy. But if you think it’s a talking point or “gobbledygook” then you are dodging the question. And I noticed. Hope you noticed, too. Now you have no excuse, at least.
calling Americans “dumb” because they disagree with you or do not agree with your policies is an extremely bad look for you, as you are both better educated and more fortunate than most Americans. And look how you spend your time: ragging on the GOP, Trump, and his supporters, than feigning concern when they die. Do you honestly not have anything better to do with your time?
edit: to be fair, here is your first hit on the bing search you used to backup your clam that Covid hit the GOP harder:
I’m gonna set aside the obvious issue that NPR is not a neutral outlet. Here are obvious problems with the report:
* It includes party affiliation with health outcomes. Who you vote for is nobody else’s business, and while (totally unbiased) researchers here were able to include this information in their report, they did so while violating their subject’s right to privacy, including medical privacy.
* The vaccination status of the decedent’s was unknown (it had to be inferred by overall vaccination rates in the county. That is height scientific nor accurate.
* The study show minimal difference in outcomes between Democrats and Republicans n the first year, but shows a slight increase in poor outcomes for registered republicans in year two: the “excess death rate” (a completely subjective and made up statistic Is around 18% for Dems in year two and 25% for Republicans in year two. This is reported as “43% worse outcomes form the GOP!!!” Which is incredibly misleading
* The study itself acknowledges its own limitations.
You cited it as factual proof that all GOP counties fared worse (when it looked at exactly two f them) and flatters yourself with mock outrage, and now apparently doubling down on the idea that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid.
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Reality Czech wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
I have read the past several pages about Biden, the interview, etc, and here are the realities:
1) George Stephanopolos was tough on Biden because he is a good journalist, and that was typical and indicative of what mainstream media does on a regular basis. The difference between that and Fox News is clear.
2) Biden was adequate in the interview with Stephanopolos. He did NOT "knock it out of the park." The adequacy did not erase the badness of the debate. Biden spent a lot of time talking about what he has accomplished in his term so far, and that's fair (and he HAS accomplished a LOT...a lot more than I ever thought he would), but that isn't really relevant to the issue at hand...is he capable to continue to do that job in the FUTURE. I know he said yes to that, but he wasn't super strong in that assertion and brought up his past accomplishments too much when Stephanopolos pressed him on whether he was capable going forward.
3) Trumpers shouldn't get too excited about post-debate polling, and Democrats shouldn't get too down on it. Polling is always a snapshot in time, so today in July it means nothing. It is also crystal clear that Democrats have been underrepresented in polling over at least the last two years if not longer and that polling is less accurate today than ever before.
4) I DO think Biden should drop out. He's too old, and it's showing. Is he ready for the nursing home? Of course not...but the bar for The President of the United States SHOULD BE higher.
5) Whether it's Harris or Biden, it is time for the campaign to actually get going. Trump is a serial liar. Trump is a convicted felon 34 times over. Trump is responsible for getting Roe v. Wade overturned (which is against what 70% of voters want). Trump lost more jobs than he created during his Presidency...the first since Hoover to do that. Under Biden, we have record low unemployment, record high wages, record high stock market, and we have seen very high inflation drop to historic norms.
6) I will as equally support any Democrat party nominee for President against Donald Trump, because the thing that is PARAMOUNT in this election is getting rid of Trump once and for all. We are not in a situation to be able to take it any further than that. Would it be better as far as winning to have Harris in there instead of Biden? Not sure. This is unchartered waters. She has a lot of her own negativity that Biden doesn't have even if she is NOT in decline due to age.
7) I still BELIEVE that a Democrat will win over Trump, even if it is Biden. It is NOT a for sure thing now though as it was before the debate. Do I THINK Biden will beat Trump if it's between the two of them? Yes. CAN Trump win this election now though whether it is Biden or Harris? Yes. So, until things change one way or another, no solid prediction for me right now.
Oh, and if I were in Trump's camp, I would NOT debate Biden a second time. There is no upside to it at all for Trump. Trump can claim he is being kind by not putting Biden through that again, and it doesn't give Biden the opportunity to just do better. I don't think anyone should expect Biden to do better, but seeing how bad the first one was, it is POSSIBLE that he could do better, and Trump should not give Biden that chance.
Biden showed in the interview (and subsequent campaign stops) that the debate was an outlier. It’s one night in 3.5 years. If you think that makes him suddenly “too old”, you’re an idiot.
Have you ever known anyone with dementia? It can turn on a dime. My wife's aunt was fine enough to drive herself to the airport in Arizona, fly to Ohio for a family gathering, behave in a way over several days that showed us she was as sharp as ever, and two months after that, her neighbors back in Arizona called my wife's parents to say she couldn't remember anything and it was dangerous for her to live alone. My in-laws went to Arizona to get her, and by the time they got her back to Ohio, she didn't remember that her mother was dead...and she had died 30 years earlier. She had Alzheimer's and had to go into a home.
For the record, I said Biden was too old when he was elected in 2020. He was the Democrat nominee though, and I gladly voted for him to get Trump out. You have blinders on. Doesn't matter that it was one night in 3.5 years. It was the defining night. The past doesn't matter. Just two years before his last season in MLB, Michael Young had 213 hits and hit .338. The past doesn't matter. I will say it again...the past doesn't matter. There will be a day one day when you should no longer drive a car. There is a line for everyone. Biden showed us that line on debate night. You are wrong to defend him staying in the race. The sooner he's out, the better for the next candidate (likely Harris).
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Reality Czech wrote:
Biden showed in the interview (and subsequent campaign stops) that the debate was an outlier. It’s one night in 3.5 years. If you think that makes him suddenly “too old”, you’re an idiot.
Many called out Biden for repeatedly dodging questions from ABC's George Stephanopoulos about whether he would agree to take a neurological test and release its findings to the public.
Some, including Silver and Versus Media podcast host Stephen L. Miller, declared his refusal "disqualifying."
"So in summary: Biden refused to say he’d take a cognitive test, refused to say he would consider stepping down if key allies asked him to, said the polls are fake news, and that he wouldn’t fret if he lost as long as he tried his best. This is all Trumpian bulls---. Just madness," The Atlantic contributing writer Tyler Austin Harper slammed the president.
The interview with Stephanopolos was not great...and it needed to be GREAT. Stephen Miller is a punk and a horrible lowlife though, so you shouldn't reference anything he has to say ever.
Biden dodged questions, referred to the past 3.5 years (as if that means ANYTHING in this context) and, even though it wasn't nearly as bad as the debate, he looked old...too old to be President. I'm fine if he stays in until the end of this term, but he should not run for another 4 years.
That said, there is NOTHING that will make me not vote for whomever the Democrat challenger is to Trump. I will vote for Biden or Harris or a bag of hammers over Trump. Trump is a danger to our country and he must be defeated.
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Joe Biden is a 100 year old Alzheimer’s dementia patient.
He belongs in a nursing home, not in the White House.
Keeping him on the job is essentially elder abuse. This man can’t talk, he can’t walk, he is dying.
Shame on his wife Jill for insisting that he go to work every day and run for re-election. She is selfish and cruel.
All women are pure evil.
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Flagpole wrote:
Reality Czech wrote:
Biden showed in the interview (and subsequent campaign stops) that the debate was an outlier. It’s one night in 3.5 years. If you think that makes him suddenly “too old”, you’re an idiot.
Have you ever known anyone with dementia? It can turn on a dime. My wife's aunt was fine enough to drive herself to the airport in Arizona, fly to Ohio for a family gathering, behave in a way over several days that showed us she was as sharp as ever, and two months after that, her neighbors back in Arizona called my wife's parents to say she couldn't remember anything and it was dangerous for her to live alone. My in-laws went to Arizona to get her, and by the time they got her back to Ohio, she didn't remember that her mother was dead...and she had died 30 years earlier. She had Alzheimer's and had to go into a home.
For the record, I said Biden was too old when he was elected in 2020. He was the Democrat nominee though, and I gladly voted for him to get Trump out. You have blinders on. Doesn't matter that it was one night in 3.5 years. It was the defining night. The past doesn't matter. Just two years before his last season in MLB, Michael Young had 213 hits and hit .338. The past doesn't matter. I will say it again...the past doesn't matter. There will be a day one day when you should no longer drive a car. There is a line for everyone. Biden showed us that line on debate night. You are wrong to defend him staying in the race. The sooner he's out, the better for the next candidate (likely Harris).
Your little story about your aunt and some random baseball player has absolutely nothing to do with Biden. As I said in the post you quoted, he has been fantastic since the debate. He has been energetic, charismatic and on target in his campaign stops since the debate, he knocked the ABC interview out of the park after being grilled by Stephanopoulos, he has been great in all aspects of his role as POTUS since the debate. He had one bad night when he was sick and had your orange friend screaming in his ear all night. You’re just flat out wrong and obviously have some agenda against Biden. Go vote for your dear leader Trump. See how that works out.
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Flagpole wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Many called out Biden for repeatedly dodging questions from ABC's George Stephanopoulos about whether he would agree to take a neurological test and release its findings to the public.
Some, including Silver and Versus Media podcast host Stephen L. Miller, declared his refusal "disqualifying."
"So in summary: Biden refused to say he’d take a cognitive test, refused to say he would consider stepping down if key allies asked him to, said the polls are fake news, and that he wouldn’t fret if he lost as long as he tried his best. This is all Trumpian bulls---. Just madness," The Atlantic contributing writer Tyler Austin Harper slammed the president.
The interview with Stephanopolos was not great...and it needed to be GREAT. Stephen Miller is a punk and a horrible lowlife though, so you shouldn't reference anything he has to say ever.
Biden dodged questions, referred to the past 3.5 years (as if that means ANYTHING in this context) and, even though it wasn't nearly as bad as the debate, he looked old...too old to be President. I'm fine if he stays in until the end of this term, but he should not run for another 4 years.
That said, there is NOTHING that will make me not vote for whomever the Democrat challenger is to Trump. I will vote for Biden or Harris or a bag of hammers over Trump. Trump is a danger to our country and he must be defeated.
Tell me you didn’t watch the interview without telling me you didn’t watch the interview. You seem a lot like Trump. You’ll end of voting for him. I ca tell.
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Yes these are amazing.
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Does anyone know why the Republican Candidate for President is not using the same Vice President he used in his first term? I still see plenty of old bumper stickers with this person's name.
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I never knew there was a definition to what Trump did on the debate stage the other night.
"This was not a debate. It was Trump using a technique that actually has a formal name, the Gish gallop, although I suspect he comes by it naturally. It's a rhetorical technique in which someone throws out a fast string of lies, non-sequiturs, and specious arguments, so many that it is impossible to fact-check or rebut them in the amount of time it took to say them. Trying to figure out how to respond makes the opponent look confused, because they don't know where to start grappling with the flood that has
just hit them. It is a form of gaslighting, and it is especially effective on someone with a stutter, as Biden has. It is similar to what Trump did to Biden during a debate in 2020. In that case, though, the lack of muting on the mics left Biden simply saying: "Will you shut up, man?" a comment that resonated with the audience. Giving Biden the enforced space to answer by killing the mic of the person not speaking tonight
actually made the technique more effective."
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Reality Czech wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
The interview with Stephanopolos was not great...and it needed to be GREAT. Stephen Miller is a punk and a horrible lowlife though, so you shouldn't reference anything he has to say ever.
Biden dodged questions, referred to the past 3.5 years (as if that means ANYTHING in this context) and, even though it wasn't nearly as bad as the debate, he looked old...too old to be President. I'm fine if he stays in until the end of this term, but he should not run for another 4 years.
That said, there is NOTHING that will make me not vote for whomever the Democrat challenger is to Trump. I will vote for Biden or Harris or a bag of hammers over Trump. Trump is a danger to our country and he must be defeated.
Tell me you didn’t watch the interview without telling me you didn’t watch the interview. You seem a lot like Trump. You’ll end of voting for him. I ca tell.
They actually taped the interview twice, so they could get enough tape to edit
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Noyankee wrote:
Reality Czech wrote:
Tell me you didn’t watch the interview without telling me you didn’t watch the interview. You seem a lot like Trump. You’ll end of voting for him. I ca tell.
They actually taped the interview twice, so they could get enough tape to edit
You and flag pole keep thinking that.
You guys can enjoy the next four years of Biden together.
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Right wing Randee wrote:
Does anyone know why the Republican Candidate for President is not using the same Vice President he used in his first term? I still see plenty of old bumper stickers with this person's name.
traitors aren’t accepted.
did anyone notice the young black girl prop that was staged at Biden’s dozen person rally in Wisconsin? they wanted the photo op but Biden blew right past her. he’s not a fan of black people. if that was a 6-yr old blonde girl, biden would’ve been all over her, and we all know it.
your vote is your soul, cast it wisely.
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Noyankee wrote:
traitors aren’t accepted.
did anyone notice the young black girl prop that was staged at Biden’s dozen person rally in Wisconsin? they wanted the photo op but Biden blew right past her. he’s not a fan of black people. if that was a 6-yr old blonde girl, biden would’ve been all over her, and we all know it.
your vote is your soul, cast it wisely.
Mike Pence is a traitor? Please explain.
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If anyone feels uneasiness or disgust with the fact that women can't make their own bodily decisions it is Donald J Trump that did that.
But consider this point. If you are worried about the Supreme Court making a "ruling for the ages" where there is a lawless zone now created around all future Presidents, well Donald J Trump did that too. The most obvious way is that he appointed right wing hacks that crafted that ruling to simply sabotage all of Trump's legal cases.
But there is also a more subtle reason to pin the blame on Donald J Trump as well. And that is because all of these legal rulings that monumentally change our form of government that have worked fine for 250 years are because Trump's enormous lawlessness. There would never have been such a ruling with any other President because Trump is the first full blown, mobbed up conman that has ever been elected. The Supreme Court would have never heard an appeal citing "absolute Presidential immunity" without a criminal President.
So, what could possibly go wrong gifting Trump a 2nd term with full immunity when he is desperate for money and desperate to stay out of jail? It will go just fine!
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Right wing Randee wrote:
Noyankee wrote:
traitors aren’t accepted.
did anyone notice the young black girl prop that was staged at Biden’s dozen person rally in Wisconsin? they wanted the photo op but Biden blew right past her. he’s not a fan of black people. if that was a 6-yr old blonde girl, biden would’ve been all over her, and we all know it.
your vote is your soul, cast it wisely.
Mike Pence is a traitor? Please explain.
A traitor to MA6A.
His political career has ended, and rightfully so.
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Reality Czech wrote:
Noyankee wrote:
They actually taped the interview twice, so they could get enough tape to edit
You and flag pole keep thinking that.
You guys can enjoy the next four years of Biden together.
It’s not about thinking that, that’s what’s been reported. Biden and his supporters are trying to perfect the coverup of the century over the thirst for power, while kids unnecessarily die on their watch to protect it. sad, disgusting and a soul searching situation for sure. This derelict has zero reason to be anywhere near power.
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Run one of your other control freaks, the Gretchen and Gavin show, Oprah…win fair and square and America survives in peace. Run a Biden, Obama or Clinton and make your bed. RFK is fine too.
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