DJT indicted on four counts related to January 6

One of the classic quotes from the January 6th events is bolded below. Eric Herschmann, a lawyer and senior advisor to Trump, who was trying to protect Trump AND protect the country, confronted John Eastman (Co-Conspirator 2) the day after the Capitol riot, warned him to stay away from Trump, and told him:

“Now I’m going to give you the best free legal advice you’re ever getting in your life. Get a great fvcking criminal defense lawyer, you’re going to need it.”

More prophetic and truer words have never been spoken. Trump may skate, but Eastman IS absolutely going to prison.

Rational people in the Trump administration and on his campaign -- Herschman, Barr, Cipollone, Morgan, many others -- could see this Indictment coming even back when the conspiracy was going on. Many of them tried to squelch it, but Trump is such a narcissistic, criminal maniac that he couldn't stop himself.

Thanks. I was going to respond similarly. In 2016 those 2 duly elected Democratic electors tried to convince other electors, both Ds and Rs, to vote for a moderate Republican to thwart Trump's election. Didn't get any traction, would have created a constitutional crisis, but clearly different 2020. Faithless electors is completely different from fake electors.

straight forward, ?? I actually heard the speech and remember quite clearly Trump telling his supporters to "protest peacefully". did you read that in your prosecutors indictment? bet you didnt. now, far as what happens on the ground with the government involvement trying to whip people into a frenzy is for another day. but i know what Trump said. this maniac parched words and edited it to serve you and will have to answer some questions himself. those are the 2 most important words of the speech. protestors carrying flags should not intimidate you but, rather, give you goosebumps for this great country.

And it's kinda underwhelming to be completely honest. Idiot Trumpers completely forgetting how the DOJ operates - this is what they believe is a sure fire bet to get him convicted, they would never have gone public and to the courts with it and they weren't certain.

Who knows how much more there is that they just weren't entirely confident they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt...

Whether he "parched words" or not. The Indictment is only a summary. It isn't the case against Trump, not by a long shot. You can get your panties in a bunch about how it's written. But, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

One of Trump's attorneys admitted Trump attempted to delay the Congressional vote but the angle is that he was just using his legal rights to ensure that there was no fraud.

Problem for Trump here is his own words. They can't put him on the stand, as entertaining as it is, because he'd admit to more crimes than he's charged with. Thus his defense doesn't have a lot of ammunition to fire back at the prosecution who have, apparently, a fair amount of GOP testimony which will work against Trump.

His best defense is delay and hope he wins the election so he can quash the case. In fact, that'll likely be a campaign focus. "Help keep me out of jail by voting for me".

The Dems will do just the opposite. "Lets put him in jail".

You'd bet wrong. It's really dumb to make bets about what is in a document that you never read. Really dumb, could be considered borderline retard.

But I think you know damn well that Trump's "peaceful" quote is in the Indictment. On page 12, post # 224 of this thread, it was pointed out to you guys who have not read the Indictment that Trump's "Stay Peaceful!" Tweet is in the Indictment on page 40, paragraph 114, sub-paragraph (a). YOU, Yankee, were posting on page 10 of this thread and on page 12, right after the citation was presented to you. You are a VERY disingenuous person (i.e., a liar).

You're talking about trump's tweet. Noyankee is talking about the speech. 2 different times that trump encouraged a peaceful protest.

You tell 'em!

Knock those darned COMMIES down! And keep 'em down!!!

COMMIES are just everywhere.

a) That's interesting, because the phrase "protest peacefully" that you allegedly quoted from him is not a phrase that he spoke in his speech on January 6th.

npr.org

Read Trump's Jan. 6 Speech, A Key Part Of Impeachment Trial

The former president's remarks are being used by Democrats hoping to convict him for incitement of insurrection — and are being defended by his lawyers in the Senate proceedings.

Link:www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-...

b) If you "actually heard the speech," did you somehow miss the TWENTY times that he said some version of "fight"?

c) What he *did* say in that speech is not really a major issue in this case.

That's right! Those COMMIES!!!

Good God, you are dense! Two electors, acting on their own volition, wanted to try and convince electors to vote for a "compromise candidate" like John Kasich, which is a very bad idea, but technically within their rights as electors. How on earth is this similar to the President of the United States pressuring Republican state officials to reverse the results of the election and pointing to nonexistent voter fraud to encourage state legislatures to set aside the popular vote and choose a fresh slate of fake pro-Trump electors?

Please explain to me how two electors acting on their own volition and within their legal rights is in any way shape or form similar to the Trump team helping to prepare fake certificates in seven states that Trump lost? These certificates falsely stated that the electors were their state’s “duly elected and qualified” electors. Those phony certificates were then submitted to the National Archives and Congress.

Are you really this dense that you are incapable of comprehending how extremely serious Trump's attempt to use the power of the Presidency to overturn the results of a Presidential race is? Do you think it is OK for him to create fake certificates for pro Trump electors to overturn the election results in 7 swing states that he lost, or do you just think it's "fake news"?

Please answer the following questions:

1.Did Hillary Clinton and the DNC contact electors in 2016 to try and convince the electors to not vote for Trump, but to instead vote for some type of "compromise candidate" like John Kasich?

2. Did Hillary Clinton pressure state officials to overturn the results of close races that Trump won in 2016 like Wisconsin, PA, MI etc?

3. Did Hillary Clinton create fake certificates for pro Clinton electors in an attempt to overturn the results of the election?

If she did these things, would you think it was no big deal?

I already owned someone else on that point on the top of page 13 and can re-hash it here for convenience.

Yeah man, so "fight" is a common word used by ALL political campaigns.
"Campaign" is itself a militaristic word.

Whereas you can't deny that he told people to be peaceful, which exonerates him from conspiracy charges.

Imagine thinking you can jail political opponents because they said "fight."

"Your honor, if you do a ctrl+f for fight in his speech it appears 20 times!"
Some of you guys are beyond parody

You should stop posting on this thread because you are unable debate in good faith. In the link (from NPR, no less), in Trump's speech, he said, "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Well, unfortunately, that’s what half of America has become. “Protest peacefully” and “fight” are now grounds for a life sentence in their view. is what it is but at least we know what they are. all they need to do is find a lunatic prosecutor who can edit the speech his way and, wahla!! like magic. they have their thirst quencher. but this will be short lived

I haven't done a deep dive on this, but my understanding is they still had some lawsuits going on. You know how they make Super Bowl Champion t-shirts for both teams so they're both ready. The alternate electors are the same idea. Since they still had lawsuits going on, they wanted to delay the vote until they had an outcome and showing that they had alternate electors ready to go was one way to delay. Again I have not done a deep dive on this portion so I am willing to be corrected on that.

HA! good faith. oh yes sir. is that an order fruitcake. he most certainly said that. we will need to see how it plays out down the road. one thing you can be rest assured of is that there is no World where i would take an order from you. good luck at trial if you aren’t bored yet and you better vote cause of Trump wins, it’s “poof” on the so called indictment.

Nobody is trying to jail their political opponents for using the word fight. Did you even read the indictment? Trump was not indicted for lying about the 2020 election, or for bringing 80 crackpot lawsuits (all of which lost, or were thrown out), or for using the word "fight" in his January 6th speech. He is being indicted for the reasons I stated above: pressuring Republican state officials to overturn the results of the election by not certifying the popular vote counts, and creating certificates for fake pro-Trump electors to replace the real electors in 7 states that Biden won by somewhat narrow margins.

Just Sayin was not arguing that Trump should be jailed for using the word "fight", but was pointing out that Trump did not ever use the word "peaceful protest" in his speech, but instead told his supporters (who he was well aware were planning violent action) 20 times to fight to reverse the election results.

The position that Trump called for anything to be peaceful on January 6th is a canard. He used that word once, very early in a long, angry speech that riled up the crowd by calling for them to FIGHT! (After they were already told to have "trial by combat!").

Context:

Just before using the word "peaceful," he told them the plan:

"And Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that will be a, a sad day for our country because you're sworn to uphold our Constitution."

Then he told them what he expected of them:

"Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated."

Then he told them to peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard.

Then he went on a LONG, angry rant (well over twenty minutes), explaining how they were wronged, how the country was being stolen from them, how they had to fight to get it back, and toward the close he implored them, "And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."

So, at the point that they were dispatched, feeling angry, wronged, emboldened, and prepared to fight like hell, the word "peaceful" had been used once, over twenty minutes prior.

His call was for anything but a peaceful protest.