Stats dude wrote:
agip wrote:
Correlation does not mean causation.
The article actually cited causation:
"The 36 cases identified by ABC News are remarkable in that a link to the president is captured in court documents and police statements, under the penalty of perjury or contempt."
Racket wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
1) It would be very hard for you to have had as much contact with Christians, even Conservative ones as I have had and continue (unfortunately) to have. No way to quantify, so we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
2) I suggest you are either blind to Christians messing with the rights of others or you have decided they are not Christian based on that behavior.
3) We will have to disagree about people not being evil if they are not for equal rights for gay people. This is one of the problems I have with ALL Christians or anyone who is adamant that their religion is the correct one. The Bible is a book that was written by mortal men about an imaginary God, and because of that book, they are deciding that it is improper for two adults to love each other. Just wrong...immoral to the point of evil., ESPECIALLY when they cherry pick what to follow and what not to follow. ALL Christians, if they actually did what The Bible says to do, would be in prison. There are roughly 4200 recognized religions on this planet, and people tend to believe the one they grew up with...so their faith has to do with regionalism. Not really the way to find THE one right religion. Now, I know you tend to be a bit more on the liberal side with Christianity, so I have no doubt that you might have a good answer to the above from your perspective, but as I have said before, you are in the great minority with regard to Christians in this country.
4) I don't think everyone who is wrong is evil. Lot of people like Country music and okra, and neither of those things are right, but they are not evil to like those things. It IS evil though to hold up a "holy book" and persecute law-abiding citizens because of a belief in some invisible imaginary man in the sky.
The last straw for me in my formerly more liberal United Methodist Church was when the wife of the associate pastor was doing the "Children's Moments" during the service and told those kids that The Bible wasn't just filled with stories but that all of those things in The Bible happened exactly as described. That is a very popular opinion among Christians, and it is nuts...and, of course, some of those people use that warped belief to support their evilness.
You guys should debate the problem of evil next.
It's kinda been done to death, but I'm game if someone wants to take a crack.
Typical Trumpettes wrote:
So typical of Trumpettes. Trump has disparaged women about their weight for years. Say something about Trump's weight and here come the Trumpettes up in arms calling out people who make any comment about Trump's weight as being low intelligence people. But Trump is a stable genius and can negatively comment about any fatty he likes. Trumpettes are such losers.
Fat Trump wrote:
So Trump is of no intelligence for caring about other people weight. Good to know.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trumps-weight-problem-he-cant-stop-talking-about-fat-people/2016/09/28/891ddd3a-858d-11e6-a3ef-f35afb41797f_story.html
The problem with your logic is that the person who pointed out that only morons concern themselves with Trump's weight is about as anti-Trump as you can get.
Care to try again?
P wrote:
agip wrote:
The rule has been interpreted by the supreme court to mean that a president should not interfere with a legislator doing official legislative business. Taking trips to important allied countries is official biz.
I see. Thanks for the info.
So this is interesting. Let's say Omar sues Tiny for this.
The first question the court would have is, "What remedy are you seeking?"
Omar still can't travel to Israel. So that's not a remedy.
Would some punishment be the remedy? If so, what would the punishment be?
Fat hurts wrote:
P wrote:
I see. Thanks for the info.
So this is interesting. Let's say Omar sues Tiny for this.
The first question the court would have is, "What remedy are you seeking?"
Omar still can't travel to Israel. So that's not a remedy.
Would some punishment be the remedy? If so, what would the punishment be?
nothing is going to happen
it's just trump breaking one more norm and rule of our democratic constitutional republic.
he doesn't care about any of this and the courts can't really fix it anyway.
what matters is if the politicians who come after him take his behavior and build on it or repeat it. That would end democracy.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams
agip wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
So this is interesting. Let's say Omar sues Tiny for this.
The first question the court would have is, "What remedy are you seeking?"
Omar still can't travel to Israel. So that's not a remedy.
Would some punishment be the remedy? If so, what would the punishment be?
nothing is going to happen
it's just trump breaking one more norm and rule of our democratic constitutional republic.
he doesn't care about any of this and the courts can't really fix it anyway.
what matters is if the politicians who come after him take his behavior and build on it or repeat it. That would end democracy.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams
I mean ultimately the punishment is, of course, impeachment. Add this to the list of high crimes and misdemeanors. It's a long list.
Demented Trump wrote:
BREAKING NEWS!!
Trump wants to buy Greenland. He calls first dibs on building golf courses, hotels and condos on it.
Paywall:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-eyes-a-new-real-estate-purchase-greenland-11565904223Non-Paywall:
https://theweek.com/speedreads/859351/trump-reportedly-wants-buy-greenlandhttps://community.hannity.com/t/trump-looking-to-buy-greenland/202251
People back in the day were scoffing at Thomas Jefferson for paying $15 million for the Louisiana purchase. How did that turn out?
Flagpole wrote:
3) We will have to disagree about people not being evil if they are not for equal rights for gay people. This is one of the problems I have with ALL Christians or anyone who is adamant that their religion is the correct one. The Bible is a book that was written by mortal men about an imaginary God, and because of that book, they are deciding that it is improper for two adults to love each other. Just wrong...immoral to the point of evil., ESPECIALLY when they cherry pick what to follow and what not to follow. ALL Christians, if they actually did what The Bible says to do, would be in prison. There are roughly 4200 recognized religions on this planet, and people tend to believe the one they grew up with...so their faith has to do with regionalism. Not really the way to find THE one right religion. Now, I know you tend to be a bit more on the liberal side with Christianity, so I have no doubt that you might have a good answer to the above from your perspective, but as I have said before, you are in the great minority with regard to Christians in this country.
4) I don't think everyone who is wrong is evil. Lot of people like Country music and okra, and neither of those things are right, but they are not evil to like those things. It IS evil though to hold up a "holy book" and persecute law-abiding citizens because of a belief in some invisible imaginary man in the sky.
The last straw for me in my formerly more liberal United Methodist Church was when the wife of the associate pastor was doing the "Children's Moments" during the service and told those kids that The Bible wasn't just filled with stories but that all of those things in The Bible happened exactly as described. That is a very popular opinion among Christians, and it is nuts...and, of course, some of those people use that warped belief to support their evilness.
I'll address a bit of what you said, but I could go on for hours if time allowed.
First, there are many who believe that you, Flagpole, are evil because you think that same sex marriage is OK. You end up calling each other evil just because you disagree.
You are both wrong to call each other evil just because your beliefs are different.
A literal interpretation of scripture is indeed a popular principle of exegesis. But if you drill down with folks you find that most are pretty reasonable about what "literal" scripture actually means. If you present a difficult passage and say, "Are you comfortable that this was meant as allegory?", most will not have a problem with it.
That wife of the associate pastor didn't really understand what she was saying. It's sad that you left the church just because of someone who's faith is not very sophisticated. I doubt that this "wife of an associate pastor" has had much theological training.
P wrote:
Typical Trumpettes wrote:
So typical of Trumpettes. Trump has disparaged women about their weight for years. Say something about Trump's weight and here come the Trumpettes up in arms calling out people who make any comment about Trump's weight as being low intelligence people. But Trump is a stable genius and can negatively comment about any fatty he likes. Trumpettes are such losers.
The problem with your logic is that the person who pointed out that only morons concern themselves with Trump's weight is about as anti-Trump as you can get.
Care to try again?
Do you speak of yourself in the first person? "P" is you. Or maybe there are two people here using your name. Trump has never apologized for his shaming of women. He can be shamed until he does so. Don't let him get the upper hand because he has proven he will never stop shaming others, but his people get angry whenever he is shamed. I supposed you are unaware of any of this except the last part: don't shame Trump.
Sally Vix wrote:
Demented Trump wrote:
BREAKING NEWS!!
Trump wants to buy Greenland. He calls first dibs on building golf courses, hotels and condos on it.
Paywall:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-eyes-a-new-real-estate-purchase-greenland-11565904223Non-Paywall:
https://theweek.com/speedreads/859351/trump-reportedly-wants-buy-greenlandhttps://community.hannity.com/t/trump-looking-to-buy-greenland/202251People back in the day were scoffing at Thomas Jefferson for paying $15 million for the Louisiana purchase. How did that turn out?
What does Thomas Jefferson have to do with Trump's idiotic idea to "buy" Greenland?
A history lesson for you. James Polk (a president, which you may not know) sent tens of thousands of squatters to Texas and California, both Mexican Territories, in an attempt to take them over. His goal was to put in vastly more white Europeans there to far outnumber the Mexicans and Native Americans. Then he would kindly ask the territories if they wanted to join up with the U.S. or Mexico. Of course he waited until the numbers were far in his favor. ... Maybe your hero, Trump, can recycle this idea and send a hundred thousand of his supporters to Greenland to outnumber the 50,000 people who live there. Then he can ask Greenland to become part of the U.S. Or, more likely for Greenland to vote to become Trumpland; a nation owned and controlled by Trump.
Toot Sweets wrote:
True Sweester wrote:
Why do you keep on betting people on this thread (and this IS a bet). You wanting to bet people is low class.
The word "bet" does not appear in the comment you replied too. Making things up is very low class.
Neither does “I will not post here if Trump wins.” Somehow flagpole thinks this is a bet. That’s probably what the OP is referring to - flagpole not willing to take alan’s challenge because he says it’s a bet.
Fat hurts wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
3) We will have to disagree about people not being evil if they are not for equal rights for gay people. This is one of the problems I have with ALL Christians or anyone who is adamant that their religion is the correct one. The Bible is a book that was written by mortal men about an imaginary God, and because of that book, they are deciding that it is improper for two adults to love each other. Just wrong...immoral to the point of evil., ESPECIALLY when they cherry pick what to follow and what not to follow. ALL Christians, if they actually did what The Bible says to do, would be in prison. There are roughly 4200 recognized religions on this planet, and people tend to believe the one they grew up with...so their faith has to do with regionalism. Not really the way to find THE one right religion. Now, I know you tend to be a bit more on the liberal side with Christianity, so I have no doubt that you might have a good answer to the above from your perspective, but as I have said before, you are in the great minority with regard to Christians in this country.
4) I don't think everyone who is wrong is evil. Lot of people like Country music and okra, and neither of those things are right, but they are not evil to like those things. It IS evil though to hold up a "holy book" and persecute law-abiding citizens because of a belief in some invisible imaginary man in the sky.
The last straw for me in my formerly more liberal United Methodist Church was when the wife of the associate pastor was doing the "Children's Moments" during the service and told those kids that The Bible wasn't just filled with stories but that all of those things in The Bible happened exactly as described. That is a very popular opinion among Christians, and it is nuts...and, of course, some of those people use that warped belief to support their evilness.
I'll address a bit of what you said, but I could go on for hours if time allowed.
First, there are many who believe that you, Flagpole, are evil because you think that same sex marriage is OK. You end up calling each other evil just because you disagree.
You are both wrong to call each other evil just because your beliefs are different.
A literal interpretation of scripture is indeed a popular principle of exegesis. But if you drill down with folks you find that most are pretty reasonable about what "literal" scripture actually means. If you present a difficult passage and say, "Are you comfortable that this was meant as allegory?", most will not have a problem with it.
That wife of the associate pastor didn't really understand what she was saying. It's sad that you left the church just because of someone who's faith is not very sophisticated. I doubt that this "wife of an associate pastor" has had much theological training.
Flagpole does have a limited understanding of Christianity and the Bible.
Nyther wrote:
Toot Sweets wrote:
The word "bet" does not appear in the comment you replied too. Making things up is very low class.
Neither does “I will not post here if Trump wins.” Somehow flagpole thinks this is a bet. That’s probably what the OP is referring to - flagpole not willing to take alan’s challenge because he says it’s a bet.
Why do you even care? You are the one here who has a problem.
Demented Trump wrote:
BREAKING NEWS!!
Trump wants to buy Greenland. He calls first dibs on building golf courses, hotels and condos on it.
Paywall:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-eyes-a-new-real-estate-purchase-greenland-11565904223Non-Paywall:
https://theweek.com/speedreads/859351/trump-reportedly-wants-buy-greenlandhttps://community.hannity.com/t/trump-looking-to-buy-greenland/202251
Greenland is becoming a very valuable piece of real estate. It's melting fast and already becoming a decent place to grow certain crops and livestock.
Denmark knows this and they would never sell to Tiny anyway.
But it would be ironic because Tiny's pro-pollution policies are helping to make Greenland melt into the ocean and drown Mara Lago.
Ciro wrote:
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-bashes-nh-protester-guy-003825637.htmlOh the irony.
Fat hurts.
Fat hurts wrote:
Ciro wrote:
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-bashes-nh-protester-guy-003825637.htmlOh the irony.
Fat hurts.
Trump is a retard. His fans don't want anyone calling him out for his ever increasing weight. And there is Trump today calling someone else out for their weight. Does Trump think he is normal weight, maybe a very pound over? Emperor Trump has no clothes. Disgusting.
Sally Vix wrote:
Demented Trump wrote:
BREAKING NEWS!!
Trump wants to buy Greenland. He calls first dibs on building golf courses, hotels and condos on it.
Paywall:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-eyes-a-new-real-estate-purchase-greenland-11565904223Non-Paywall:
https://theweek.com/speedreads/859351/trump-reportedly-wants-buy-greenlandhttps://community.hannity.com/t/trump-looking-to-buy-greenland/202251People back in the day were scoffing at Thomas Jefferson for paying $15 million for the Louisiana purchase. How did that turn out?
Yeah, man. Because any and all purchases of land are exactly the same.
Typical Trumpettes wrote:
P wrote:
The problem with your logic is that the person who pointed out that only morons concern themselves with Trump's weight is about as anti-Trump as you can get.
Care to try again?
Do you speak of yourself in the first person? "P" is you. Or maybe there are two people here using your name. Trump has never apologized for his shaming of women. He can be shamed until he does so. Don't let him get the upper hand because he has proven he will never stop shaming others, but his people get angry whenever he is shamed. I supposed you are unaware of any of this except the last part: don't shame Trump.
Not sure how or why there would be any confusion as to who "P" is. My handle is registered.
Here's the thing - Trump is an ignoramus of epic proportions. An a-hole even among a-holes. One of the most moronic, narcissistic, anti-American, anti-truth, evil human beings on the face of the Earth. So . . . I'm not really looking at Trump as a role model for behavior that I consider worthy of human beings.
And it remains true that nobody with any intelligence cares at all about Trump's weight.
Fat hurts wrote:
Demented Trump wrote:
BREAKING NEWS!!
Trump wants to buy Greenland. He calls first dibs on building golf courses, hotels and condos on it.
Paywall:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-eyes-a-new-real-estate-purchase-greenland-11565904223Non-Paywall:
https://theweek.com/speedreads/859351/trump-reportedly-wants-buy-greenlandhttps://community.hannity.com/t/trump-looking-to-buy-greenland/202251Greenland is becoming a very valuable piece of real estate. It's melting fast and already becoming a decent place to grow certain crops and livestock.
Denmark knows this and they would never sell to Tiny anyway.
But it would be ironic because Tiny's pro-pollution policies are helping to make Greenland melt into the ocean and drown Mara Lago.
Truman tried to buy it in 1946 and the US has a presence there. It's an important geopolitical location and China has been trying to get a foothold there for years so this idea to buy Greenland is surprisingly not totally ridiculous.