Robert Young fakes run across America

UKultraRunners wrote:

Dustbin Brooks, the Bernie Madoff of ultrarunning.

And CoachKev is just an idiot.

These assessments are obvously correct. But it still doesn't explain RY. Is he somewhat retarded ("not the full shilling") and thus exploited by Dustbin et al? Or is he 100% in on the scam?

I took a look at Kev's blog post. There is a video embedded where he is running behind Rob and claiming that Rob is running 7:00 miles. At the beginning of the video we can see Kev's Garmin bouncing around between 7:00 and 7:05 pace. The problem is Kev is lagging behind by about 20m and quickly closing in on Rob. Within 35 seconds Kev has caught up to Rob. Given a 20m separation at the beginning and a 7:00 pace Kev is running he would have covered about 135m in this time. Meanwhile Rob would have only covered around 115m which would equate to about an 8:15 pace. Conclusion: Kev is a buffoon not to be trusted either because; a) he is a simple buffoon; or b) he is a scheming buffoon.

I think he is a simple buffoon aspiring to be a scheming buffoon.

I went to a warehouse rave, took lots of ecstasy and ketamine and lost an entire day and I come back here and the RV is still outside Golden Corral?

No updates?

Not true wrote:

rosshm16 wrote:

It starts around the 42:00 mark here (Episode 336):

http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/0/1/7/017e8168b0881313/MT336.mp3?c_id=11974252&expiration=1466372462&hwt=50e20eb4487b92485b6ff8654b

Yes I listened to it today and didn't hear any reference of comparing Rob Young to Lance Armstrong. What are you claiming they said??

They were actually comparing how the people who blindly defend Rob are like the people who blindly defended Lance Armstrong. So, you're right, they didn't compare Rob to Lance Armstrong, they compared Rob fans to Lance fans.

Ok CoachKev - that was big of you to report back here again. Cutting to the chase, just because you believe in something doesn't mean it's true. You understand they are two different things don't you? If you read through the thread carefully, you'll see that a lot of people, including myself, do not think he CAN'T run ultras or isn't capable of running across the USA. What we have been saying, and what turned out to be statistically and forensically factual, is that Robert did not run/walk every step he claimed to have. Asher's video was not proof, it merely caused people to start digging. And when people looked at his incredible claims, his supposed PBs, a whole bunch of damming inconsistencies with the first half of his x-country effort, and then the complete collapse of RY once boots were on the ground watching... all that put together is conclusive evidence that he's a fraud.

Now I get that even frauds will continue to have friends, and you should by all means continue to support him. But please cut the crap that you believe the guy is honest. What you meant to say is that YOU WANT TO BELIEVE he's innocent and you are just sticking to your word because you are stubborn and averse to facts and logic, but you know he's dishonest. Conveniently for you, ignorance is bliss. My advice to you, as his friend and ardent supporter, is to have a heart to heart conversationand give him some advice. This is a great opportunity for him to start over. He's been exposed, and this will stay with him forever, which is why it is extremely important for him to have closure. He needs closure badly in order to start fresh and put this behind him, but first he needs to admit to himself and those around him that he cheated. Be a good friend and do what's difficult, tell your friend to come clean for his own sake.

When Asher first reported, you came here fiercely defending Rob, but only on the basis of having met him and run with him. That, on its own, could never clear him of being a cheater. People initially found the Ahser video amusing and only really started scrutinizing his performance when we heard about his incredible claim of running 3 consecutively faster marathons in less than two days, after having been an overweight couch potato for many years. Now if you know anything about running, that should have been an immediate red flag.

I don't blame you for believing him if you didn't know about his plast claims. But now you have no excuse, you've seen all the impossible claims and you have seen what has transpired in this last circus act. You said yourself you'd be open to looking at the facts. Now you've seen them. He could not have run those 3 marathons as fast as he claims, he was not a pro triathlete, he could not have flown across the burning desert like he claimed, he could not have covered all those miles based on his caliber as runner.... So you are just in complete denial if you still want to believe him. Would you trust some of the most experienced and well-known ultra runners in the world? Well, they were there and noted Rob is a good runner and has balls, but that he's not porefessional material. He also coincidentally fell apart when he was running more than 25% less daily than he was just before being watched. How could you reconcile that with his claims? All you can say is that you simply believe.

I can hold 5:30 pace for at least 4 miles, and can coast for 20 miles at 6:00 pace. I'm being serious, it's actually a fact. So if you ran with me you'd probably believe I was also Jesus or the next Forrest Gump. What I am trying to say, rather nicely, is that you are pretty naive to believe in something with such fierce conviction purely based on a few minutes of running with someone and how nice they are. I feel sorry for you.

Is this CoachKev bloke a full quid?

http://ultrakev.blogspot.com.au/

I bet Kev thinks these Milton Keynes Concrete Cows are genuine too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_Cows

RY on July 11th in northern England

Why bother writing such a long reply? It's just going to be ignored by Kev.

wonder, wonder wrote:

UKultraRunners wrote:

Dustbin Brooks, the Bernie Madoff of ultrarunning.

And CoachKev is just an idiot.

These assessments are obvously correct. But it still doesn't explain RY. Is he somewhat retarded ("not the full shilling") and thus exploited by Dustbin et al? Or is he 100% in on the scam?

On the one hand, if you hear how RY speaks or if you read how he writes... You would say he is indeed retarded.

On the other hand, was Dustbin claiming in 2004 that RY was world tri champion? Or making these Milram claims on Wikipedia in 2012?

Maybe the impression of being not so clever is faked by RY as well?

Also Kev in Milton Keynes wrote:

Is this CoachKev bloke a full quid?

http://ultrakev.blogspot.com.au/

I bet Kev thinks these Milton Keynes Concrete Cows are genuine too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_Cows

I keep telling him they're not the real deal (a bit like that Rob fella I reckon), but he just keeps saying the same as he says about Rob, "Am I so wrong to believe" and keep the faith Mum, keep the faith.

Just where did I go wrong?

I agree. At this point, continuing to deny Rob's wrongdoing means you're either in on it or you lack sensible critical thinking skills.

just my take wrote:

sp2 wrote:

IF that's true, then they're *frighteningly* stupid. And they didn't quite seem THAT stupid, so it's natural to tend towards assuming that they *were*, in one way or another, part of his scam.

It's one, or the other, or some combination of both: Either those guys flat out LIED about all of it --like their buddy Robby-- or they're incomprehensibly dumb and gullible.

Neither is a really happy place to be.

I agree. At this point, continuing to deny Rob's wrongdoing means you're either in on it or you lack sensible critical thinking skills.

SKINS posted to his FB right before the injury to say "Go Rob!!! We love you!" basically... They are thinking about as critically/scientifically on this as they do regarding their claims of "proven increase in muscle oxygenation" or whatever BS their clothes are supposed to do.

Can anyone go to that Golden Corral parking lot please? I bet you'll find the tracker there and the RV is gone. It'll make for a great souvenir of this whole thing!!!

Upton Sinclair:

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his reacharound depends on his not understanding it.”

What was that third guy's name? Can we dig up some dirt on him?

letsdig wrote:

What was that third guy's name? Can we dig up some dirt on him?

All accomplices are in the Google Doc:

[quote]letsdig wrote:

What was that third guy's name? Can we dig up some dirt on him?[/quote

Some mook/cult flunky named Michael Ryan Speicher

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7355147&page=160

Google him. A spoiled child, apparently.

Tracktown Troll Trolley wrote:

[quote]letsdig wrote:

What was that third guy's name? Can we dig up some dirt on him?[/quote

Some mook/cult flunky named Michael Ryan Speicher

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7355147&page=160

Google him. A spoiled child, apparently.

Why is he posting disparaging comments about SKINS when he works for them?