Sean Casey, fitness influencer, ran Berlin. His training was insane for somebody who has only just got into running this year, multiple 100k+ weeks, ran 6 days a week, multiple 20+ mile long runs with most of them at marathon pace, really made a whole performance of the whole training block. He was targetting sub 3:30 but changed his tune to sub 3:40 when the weather reports came out, he was off pace by 10k and ran 4:12......
80km+ a week for the entire block, several weeks above 100km to run 4:12
He said he was carrying an injury 1 week out as well. Don’t mind Sean as his nutrition advice is pretty sensible as opposed to the likes of Eddie Abbew etc. As an Irishman he was always going to struggle in the heat
So Floberg was out today for 4 x 2k @ 5.25 per mile average followed by 4 x 1k @ 5:15 per mile average. He was absolutely buzzing he didnt walk!
I can't help but laugh every time he says "unbroken"
I guess it's good he's improving on the extra rests inserted willy nilly but doing the workouts as written feels like entry-level stuff.
I was getting cautiously optimistic or at least genuinely curious whether he's on the verge of a breakthrough. But then I remembered something from when he ran his half, which had the eerily flat HR with a positive split. When I saw that, I pulled up the same race from the year before to compare HR. His workout today rang a bell.
He started that race slower and sped up, finishing the last 3 miles in 5:28, 5:25, and 5:18. But with favorable GAPs of 5:23, 5:20, and 5:15. His HR for those 3 miles: 164, 165, 167.
Compare to the workout today, looking at where his HR levels off for the 2k's and then for the 1k's, I see it's around 164-165 for 5:25 pace and 167 for 5:15 pace.
Basically the same from the last 3mi of his HM from a year ago.
Of course HR isn't an exact science. But as far as any definitive sign that he's made a leap in fitness, I'm not seeing it.
All his hope rides on the taper unlocking another level. But that leaves him in a tough spot of not knowing what pace he should run on race day. If I were him, I'd go out no faster than PR pace (5:50/mi) and hope to negative split for a PR. But we all know that NO:TIME is 2:30 and he's going to be looking for splits in the low 5:40's.
Of course HR isn't an exact science. But as far as any definitive sign that he's made a leap in fitness, I'm not seeing it.
All his hope rides on the taper unlocking another level. But that leaves him in a tough spot of not knowing what pace he should run on race day. If I were him, I'd go out no faster than PR pace (5:50/mi) and hope to negative split for a PR. But we all know that NO:TIME is 2:30 and he's going to be looking for splits in the low 5:40's.
I am slightly more optimistic. While I don't understand why he isn't doing another quality session a week (e.g. longer track reps, tempo, fartlek), I think he will see a benefit from the additional mileage, particularly after a taper. He is an aerobic runner so I think his track paces are fine and he should be more comfortable running the marathon close to LT2 than a runner that was more speed based. If I were his coach, after the marathon I would reduce his mileage and have him run 3 sessions a week and keep in an easy long run of 25kms or so (knowing he will have another marathon on the horizon).
So Floberg was out today for 4 x 2k @ 5.25 per mile average followed by 4 x 1k @ 5:15 per mile average. He was absolutely buzzing he didnt walk!
I can't help but laugh every time he says "unbroken"
I guess it's good he's improving on the extra rests inserted willy nilly but doing the workouts as written feels like entry-level stuff.
I was getting cautiously optimistic or at least genuinely curious whether he's on the verge of a breakthrough. But then I remembered something from when he ran his half, which had the eerily flat HR with a positive split. When I saw that, I pulled up the same race from the year before to compare HR. His workout today rang a bell.
He started that race slower and sped up, finishing the last 3 miles in 5:28, 5:25, and 5:18. But with favorable GAPs of 5:23, 5:20, and 5:15. His HR for those 3 miles: 164, 165, 167.
Compare to the workout today, looking at where his HR levels off for the 2k's and then for the 1k's, I see it's around 164-165 for 5:25 pace and 167 for 5:15 pace.
Basically the same from the last 3mi of his HM from a year ago.
Of course HR isn't an exact science. But as far as any definitive sign that he's made a leap in fitness, I'm not seeing it.
All his hope rides on the taper unlocking another level. But that leaves him in a tough spot of not knowing what pace he should run on race day. If I were him, I'd go out no faster than PR pace (5:50/mi) and hope to negative split for a PR. But we all know that NO:TIME is 2:30 and he's going to be looking for splits in the low 5:40's.
I've always found Flobergs HR data to be very strange. He says his max is 190 but seems to be throwing up after running a session and hitting 170.
I think you hit the nail on the head in the last paragraph. It doesn't matter what his training says, what his coach says or what his body tells him on race day, he's going out at 2:29:59 pace and sticking with it until he fades.
I will be very interested in his future if he goes through 12 hours a week of training for 10/12 weeks and either doesn't PR or knocks off 1 min or so. Running is a great sport for newbies or those who suddenly add in some consistency as the times fall very dramatically. He's at that point now that, even with a lot of hard work, he won't see major drops in time, but I don't think he sees that. I honestly think he thought his progress would be totally linear and he'd continue to knock 10 mins off his times every marathon and by now he at the OQT
obviously copying pro athletes' sessions is nothing new, but basing your entire persona around it is stupid because you are underlining that you dont know or understand how to coordinate a training plan yourself, and will also inevitable start trying things that were for an NCAA-winning life-long athlete, but not some hobby jogger who just picked up running recently. Unless dude is continuously scaling down the session duration and paces, this will obviously not end well
I realized we are being ridiculous. NO:TIME title sponsor Kaizen has developed an incredibly accurate algorithm to predict 93% of race performances within 2s/mi. Floberg’s gonna be alright on race day.
Regardless of opinions on here on FLOBERG, I do appreciate anyone who is donating to charity. That said, what do we think the odds are that he runs the full mileage he is slated to for his charity endeavor? What if we could get some good Samaritans on here to jack that donation to mileage correlation up to say 40 miles, do we think he would actually run that all at one as he said, or would he come up with an excuse?
So Floberg was out today for 4 x 2k @ 5.25 per mile average followed by 4 x 1k @ 5:15 per mile average. He was absolutely buzzing he didnt walk!
I can't help but laugh every time he says "unbroken"
I guess it's good he's improving on the extra rests inserted willy nilly but doing the workouts as written feels like entry-level stuff.
I was getting cautiously optimistic or at least genuinely curious whether he's on the verge of a breakthrough. But then I remembered something from when he ran his half, which had the eerily flat HR with a positive split. When I saw that, I pulled up the same race from the year before to compare HR. His workout today rang a bell.
He started that race slower and sped up, finishing the last 3 miles in 5:28, 5:25, and 5:18. But with favorable GAPs of 5:23, 5:20, and 5:15. His HR for those 3 miles: 164, 165, 167.
Compare to the workout today, looking at where his HR levels off for the 2k's and then for the 1k's, I see it's around 164-165 for 5:25 pace and 167 for 5:15 pace.
Basically the same from the last 3mi of his HM from a year ago.
Of course HR isn't an exact science. But as far as any definitive sign that he's made a leap in fitness, I'm not seeing it.
All his hope rides on the taper unlocking another level. But that leaves him in a tough spot of not knowing what pace he should run on race day. If I were him, I'd go out no faster than PR pace (5:50/mi) and hope to negative split for a PR. But we all know that NO:TIME is 2:30 and he's going to be looking for splits in the low 5:40's.
go back and look at some of his easy runs from last year, the pace and HR is very similar.
I honestly think he is basing his fitness from easy runs on an uncalibrated treadmill
See Bester finished second on a very hilly and large scale British half. Certainly seems in excellent form currently. Who’d bet against him PBing in Valencia? Might even challenge RantoJapan
See Bester finished second on a very hilly and large scale British half. Certainly seems in excellent form currently. Who’d bet against him PBing in Valencia? Might even challenge RantoJapan
Got hammered by the experienced V40 Tom Charles, excellent running Tom. Tom has run 2:28 for the marathon this year.
Is the new trend for youtubers just to claim their camera battery died when the session/race is going poorly? It seems to be cropping up alot (see Welsh Runner's Berlin video) and I cant help but think if your 'job' is youtube then you definitely would have checked if your camera is charged, so it seems like an easy excuse for folks when things have gone wrong
Is the new trend for youtubers just to claim their camera battery died when the session/race is going poorly? It seems to be cropping up alot (see Welsh Runner's Berlin video) and I cant help but think if your 'job' is youtube then you definitely would have checked if your camera is charged, so it seems like an easy excuse for folks when things have gone wrong
That'd be like going out to FKT Nolans 14 but only getting through 3 of the 14 before giving up.
See Bester finished second on a very hilly and large scale British half. Certainly seems in excellent form currently. Who’d bet against him PBing in Valencia? Might even challenge RantoJapan
The real battle in Valencia will be between RanToJapan Jake and Dan Nash of the Physiology of Endurance Running podcast (which is absolute class by the way). He actually mentioned him in the latest episode - basically saying that he could never run as high a mileage. Dan does have the faster PB and is fitter than last year, but Jake is still massively improving,
See Bester finished second on a very hilly and large scale British half. Certainly seems in excellent form currently. Who’d bet against him PBing in Valencia? Might even challenge RantoJapan
The real battle in Valencia will be between RanToJapan Jake and Dan Nash of the Physiology of Endurance Running podcast (which is absolute class by the way). He actually mentioned him in the latest episode - basically saying that he could never run as high a mileage. Dan does have the faster PB and is fitter than last year, but Jake is still massively improving,
A battle for the ages!
Agree, good podcast. Not the most exciting of characters but full of interesting discussion. Jake was actually on the podcast at some point.