Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

value free wrote:

Ciro wrote:

You have to wonder why Trump can’t retain anyone’s loyalty.

Because loyalty to him has no redeemable value.

Some people just have a blind spot in this area. I had a supervisor once who could not grasp that loyalty is a two-way street: She expected loyalty from her supervisees but was perfectly ready to give them up if she was getting heat from *her* supervisors.

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NOTE that this doesn't necessarily mean a person is evil. My supervisor wasn't: She was generally pleasant and a good person to work for (and with) in many ways, but she didn't--maybe didn't have the neural wiring?--understand that loyalty is mutual.

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Some folks just don't get that. President Trump may be one.

Trumpettes are NOT Americans!

Summary of some of President Trump's falsehoods in Cincinnati:

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"If a windmill is within two miles of your house, your house is practically worthless."

According to people in real estate, including scholarly research, this is simply not true.

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"We're replacing random migration and we're replacing the lottery system. How about the lottery system? . . . The country puts the name in the basket. And you pick people out of the lottery. 'Well, let's see, this one's a murderer. This one robbed four banks, this one ... I'd better, not say ... this one, another murderer, ladies and gentlemen, another murderer.'"

This one is easy: The green card lottery is for *individuals* who enter themselves in it and *countries* don't put anyone, let alone criminals, in it. And the lottery winners are very thoroughly checked. (Anyone can check how the lottery works on Google.)

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"The greatest betrayal committed by the Democrats is their support for open borders."

NOT ONE Democratic candidate is on record as favoring "open borders." NOT ONE.

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"We will always protect patients with pre-existing conditions."

"We" (i.e. President Trump and GOPers in Congress) have already shown that that's a lie. The Trump administration is right now arguing for a complete dismantling of the ACA, with no substitute protection in place for those with pre-existing conditions.

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"We passed VA Choice . . . on behalf of our great veterans. They've been trying to pass VA Choice for four decades. "

VA Choice was enacted in 2014. Barack Obama signed the bill.

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Trump said he would "let [vets] go outside, go to a private doctor. We'll pay the bill . . . and they can do it immediately.'"

My dad was career military. Vets know that you can go to a private doctor *and get reimbursement* only if you're looking at three weeks' wait (or more) with the VA.

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"We won 32 states, there's never been anything like it."

Ridiculous. President Trump won *30* states. Nixon and Reagan both won 49/50.

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"End catch and release. You know what you do: you catch 'em and then you release 'em and you say: 'Would you please report back in four years from now?' But only 2% come back."

Egregious lie. The vast majority appear in court. Again, easy to find this on Google.

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"We ended up winning Ohio by close to nine points, which is unheard of..."

So easy to check. MULTIPLE presidents have won Ohio by more than twice that much.

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"One hundred and twenty three thousand more Ohio workers are employed today than when I was elected."

Nope, a little more than half that.

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"We need good people. We're down to 3.5% unemployment."

Unemployment has never hit 3.5% while DJT has been in office. Ever.

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"And I came in, I had one hundred and forty-eight [judicial] openings. I said -- you're supposed to have none. "

Nope. There were about a hundred openings, and every incoming president encounters vacancies.

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"The previous administration tried to shut down American energy."

No, they didn't. Production of oil and gas went *up* during the Obama years. Just a lie here.

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Trump said Obama tried to end use of "clean, beautiful coal."

"Clean coal" is a particular technology that attempts to make coal *less* dirty. Coal itself--the coal industry--is NOT clean. (Black lung, anyone?) This somehow reminds me of the "clean diesel" that VW was pushing a few years back. Uhh, no.

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"China devalues their currency . . . and because they do that you're not paying for those tariffs, China's paying for those tariffs."

Simple economics: Americans are bearing the *overwhelming* majority of the tariffs' costs. Not actually disputed by economists, whether they be of the left or the right.

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"We're building the wall faster and better than ever."

Zero miles of new wall have been built. Zero. Again, not actually in dispute. He's put up less than 100 miles of *replacement* barriers, but that's it. No new wall, at all. Promise made, promise not kept. Lie made.

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"For 44 years, they've been trying to get Right to Try ... I got it approved."

"Right to Try" was not a "thing" until this decade. Forty-four years is a bald-faced lie.

kibitzer wrote:

Summary of some of President Trump's falsehoods in Cincinnati:

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"If a windmill is within two miles of your house, your house is practically worthless."

According to people in real estate, including scholarly research, this is simply not true.

Trump Lies Translation: "I don't want windmills built within eye-view of my golf course in Scotland."

kibitzer wrote:

Summary of some of President Trump's falsehoods in Cincinnati:

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"The greatest betrayal committed by the Democrats is their support for open borders."

NOT ONE Democratic candidate is on record as favoring "open borders." NOT ONE.

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"We need good people. We're down to 3.5% unemployment."

Unemployment has never hit 3.5% while DJT has been in office. Ever.

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"For 44 years, they've been trying to get Right to Try ... I got it approved."

"Right to Try" was not a "thing" until this decade. Forty-four years is a bald-faced lie.

I don't have enough time to dismantle all of your lies but will address two. Yes, you are right the unemployment rate under Trump has never been 3.5% but it has been 3.6 % Multiple times and under Obama it was OFTEN approaching 10%.

Now to your second point about Dems not being for open borders. We have 100,000-plus illegals coming across the border EACH MONTH. That is a major crisis. The Dems don't want to put up a wall to stop this. Simply because Trump is president. Schumer and the rest were all for a wall before but quit being for a wall when Trump become president. So, if they are okay with 100,000 illegals crossing the border illegally each month and don't want to stop this crazy mass infiltration, then they ARE for Open Borders. Adding to this is that each one has said that he or she want to decriminalize illegal crossings. To summarize, THEY ALL ARE FOR OPEN BORDERS.

Sally Vix wrote:

I don't have enough time to dismantle all of your lies but will address two.

What two lies were those? Seems like you addressed one at most.

Democrats lose again

Sally Vix wrote:

THEY ALL ARE FOR OPEN BORDERS.

Meanwhile in El Paso (that is in Texas, Sally) a Trump supporting white male (Patrick Crusius) used an assault weapon (AK-47) to murder 20 people and send 22 people to the hospital at a WalMart, including a 4-month old born-alive child. He was trying to deport Mexicans using bullets.

OPEN BOARDERS! wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

THEY ALL ARE FOR OPEN BORDERS.

Meanwhile in El Paso (that is in Texas, Sally) a Trump supporting white male (Patrick Crusius) used an assault weapon (AK-47) to murder 20 people and send 22 people to the hospital at a WalMart, including a 4-month old born-alive child. He was trying to deport Mexicans using bullets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9nV3bXC89whttps://heavy.com/news/2019/08/patrick-crusius-manifesto-el-paso-shooting/https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3768977/posts

Terrible situation. I am not a gun advocate at all but respect the rights of people to own guns. Let's see how this plays out. A very tragic situation - let's give it some time to play out then we can get back on the partisan bandwagon. Give the fallen and their families some time.

OPEN BOARDERS! wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

THEY ALL ARE FOR OPEN BORDERS.

Meanwhile in El Paso (that is in Texas, Sally) a Trump supporting white male (Patrick Crusius) used an assault weapon (AK-47) to murder 20 people and send 22 people to the hospital at a WalMart, including a 4-month old born-alive child. He was trying to deport Mexicans using bullets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9nV3bXC89whttps://heavy.com/news/2019/08/patrick-crusius-manifesto-el-paso-shooting/https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3768977/posts

"4-month old born-alive child."?

As much as I hate Trump, I don't blame him for these shootings. 99% of the reason these shootings occur is because of mental illness. Someone capable of such an act could just as easily find some other motivation for doing so.

I would hold Trump accountable, though, if some reporters were murdered because they would have unlikely to have been targets without his rhetoric.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

"4-month old born-alive child."?

That is using Sally-speak.

The 4-month old has died.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

As much as I hate Trump, I don't blame him for these shootings.

The shooter's manifesto states he did the shooting because of the invasion of Hispanics Trump has been yelling about for the last year. Now, maybe if Trump kept his mouth shut he couldn't be blamed. But saying Trump has no responsibility is like saying Hitler was not responsible for killing anyone in gas chamber because he didn't kill them himself.

“They’re bring crime. They’re rapists...”

Sally Vix wrote:

OPEN BOARDERS! wrote:

Meanwhile in El Paso (that is in Texas, Sally) a Trump supporting white male (Patrick Crusius) used an assault weapon (AK-47) to murder 20 people and send 22 people to the hospital at a WalMart, including a 4-month old born-alive child. He was trying to deport Mexicans using bullets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9nV3bXC89whttps://heavy.com/news/2019/08/patrick-crusius-manifesto-el-paso-shooting/https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3768977/posts

Terrible situation. I am not a gun advocate at all but respect the rights of people to own guns. Let's see how this plays out. A very tragic situation - let's give it some time to play out then we can get back on the partisan bandwagon. Give the fallen and their families some time.

No deflecting this Sally. From the retarded shooter manifesto:

"...American will soon become a one party-state. The Democrats will own the country and they know it. They have already begun the transition by pandering heavily to the Hispanic voting bloc. They intent to use open borders, free healthcare for illegals, citizenship and more to enact an illegal coup."

The above is exactly inline with what you have been complaining about on the thread.

Trump Lie: Invasion wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

As much as I hate Trump, I don't blame him for these shootings.

The shooter's manifesto states he did the shooting because of the invasion of Hispanics Trump has been yelling about for the last year. Now, maybe if Trump kept his mouth shut he couldn't be blamed. But saying Trump has no responsibility is like saying Hitler was not responsible for killing anyone in gas chamber because he didn't kill them himself.

I don't see it that way. These are angry, psychotic people that can be triggered by just about anything. In some of the shootings, there was no identified motive. I don't believe it is known as to why the Las Vegas shooter decided to murder a bunch of people attending a country western concert.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Trump Lie: Invasion wrote:

The shooter's manifesto states he did the shooting because of the invasion of Hispanics Trump has been yelling about for the last year. Now, maybe if Trump kept his mouth shut he couldn't be blamed. But saying Trump has no responsibility is like saying Hitler was not responsible for killing anyone in gas chamber because he didn't kill them himself.

I don't see it that way. These are angry, psychotic people that can be triggered by just about anything. In some of the shootings, there was no identified motive. I don't believe it is known as to why the Las Vegas shooter decided to murder a bunch of people attending a country western concert.

But the motive for this attack IS known, he categorically detailed why.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Trump Lie: Invasion wrote:

The shooter's manifesto states he did the shooting because of the invasion of Hispanics Trump has been yelling about for the last year. Now, maybe if Trump kept his mouth shut he couldn't be blamed. But saying Trump has no responsibility is like saying Hitler was not responsible for killing anyone in gas chamber because he didn't kill them himself.

I don't see it that way. These are angry, psychotic people that can be triggered by just about anything. In some of the shootings, there was no identified motive. I don't believe it is known as to why the Las Vegas shooter decided to murder a bunch of people attending a country western concert.

Trump has been "stoking the flames" [stir up and supply with fuel] the racisim of his base. He is responsible to leading the chats that push his supporters over the edge.

Ciro wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I don't see it that way. These are angry, psychotic people that can be triggered by just about anything. In some of the shootings, there was no identified motive. I don't believe it is known as to why the Las Vegas shooter decided to murder a bunch of people attending a country western concert.

But the motive for this attack IS known, he categorically detailed why.

What I'm saying that a person capable of such violence would find another reason. Do you believe that Trump's moranic nonsense converted a guy that wasn't capable of a mass shooting into one that was.

It will never happen, but if the type of weapons generally used for these shootings were made to be illegal, would there be a significant reduction? How hard is it to buy one illegally? Would significant prison time for anyone selling a gun later used in a shooting make it more difficult to by one.

1100 wrote:

Clintonettes are NOT Americans!

fixed your mistake flagpole