Robert Young fakes run across America

Whoever created that isn't going to spread the word far. You'll find most people who use runners world have some intelligence and won't just start attacking him without concrete evidence. Maybe if it was posted by a reputable source who is well respected?

Who cares? It was all a scam, and if he was jogging 26 miles a day it wasn't running a marathon.

It was just jogging 26 miles a day. Others have done it, and not made a big hairy deal out of it.

So it's all a big fantasy scam.

just my take wrote:

+1 racergirl.

Where did Andy make those comments? If he now sees the transcon record was a sham, I wonder what he thinks about the 373 mile run.

Fwiw, I think Andy and Kev got duped by RY to think he was superhuman since they had seen parts of his runs. And since this forum goes overboard on criticism and vitriol, their first reads on this thread would make them want to write it all off as if none of the questions were really worthy of consideration and there were possible explanations to all of it.

Why r u defending these idiots. They came here in the face of indisputable facts against rob and insulted any doubter and blustered and blustered on and on. They treated us like idiots and almost certainly lied to us to keep this scam going (at least CoachKev).

They live by the sword. They die by the sword. Sounds like u r the sad basement dweller who is too sheltered not to be taken by these guys.

I insulted two idiots who refused to accept the truth and treated us like fools but then you insult me but I am on the right side of the truth. You need to learn when to be polite.

Racergirl, do you intend to contact runbritainrankings about the Thames Meander Marathon of 23 August 2014, where it seems like Rob has forged the results.

I could do it myself, but I think a local runner has more chance of receiving a reply and you possess excellent writing skills.

Tomorrow, INDOT will start updating our city signs.

http://i.imgur.com/3HGU7pL.jpg?1

Max Rob wrote:

I think you're probably missing the point and wasting time by checking old official marathons. He is a decent runner, that isn't contested. What is contested is his ability to do a transcon while doing those times, and all the unofficial "marathons" he claims.

My main contribution to this thread was checking the claims in his book. And I find the details of his initial marathons in April 2014 to be quite dubious, even if he had never attempted this transcon scam. The other races he ran contribute evidence to the picture of his actual running abilities at that time. The initial marathons he claims appear to be major outliers to what he could actually run.

Also, the other races expose how questionable his PR's are on his website where he promoted himself.

And his blatant cheating in this transcon scam causes everything he's ever claimed or done to be questioned. Yes, he sounds like a decent runner, but it's hard to know what is just smoke and mirrors.

Point taken.

Sndndnsb wrote:

Why r u defending these idiots. They came here in the face of indisputable facts against rob and insulted any doubter and blustered and blustered on and on.

Andy Persson did not do that. "CoachKev" and "Tom Crockford" did.

How legit is Lisa Smith-Batchen? She is one of Rob's biggest supporters on FB. Her Wiki has her being a pretty good ultra runner/marathoner. I find it amazing that someone that accomplished in running and her related running business would be so blind to the obvious. She must know the claims he made before Asher were suspect as a very experienced runner. Those miles and paces he was throwing down were simply ridiculous.

Moo Goo wrote:

How legit is Lisa Smith-Batchen? She is one of Rob's biggest supporters on FB. Her Wiki has her being a pretty good ultra runner/marathoner. I find it amazing that someone that accomplished in running and her related running business would be so blind to the obvious. She must know the claims he made before Asher were suspect as a very experienced runner. Those miles and paces he was throwing down were simply ridiculous.

My guess: She's a charity scammer.

I suspect she drove RY in her van for big parts of the RaceAcrossUsa thing.

RYinvestigator wrote:

Racergirl, do you intend to contact runbritainrankings about the Thames Meander Marathon of 23 August 2014, where it seems like Rob has forged the results.

I could do it myself, but I think a local runner has more chance of receiving a reply and you possess excellent writing skills.

Already done.

Not defending them, just trying to understand them. I don't think they were part of the scam like Dustin. I think they got scammed in that 373 mile run to think Rob was superhuman. They had seen Rob run and thought it was all real. Natural to defend your running friend and think there had to be other explanations and it was all a big witchhunt. Painful to realize you were scammed by someone you thought you knew. Maybe Andy came to realize it. I'd like to see those comments. I don't know if CoachKev ever did.

So I had a look for the races he mentions in the book for May & June 2014.

These are them:

Richmond Park Marathon

http://www.runbritainrankings.com/results/results.aspx?meetingid=105062&event=MarMT&venue=Richmond&date=18-May-14

81 3:57:49 3:57:49 Robert Young SEN M

Enduancelife Coastal Trail Marathon - Flete

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G2nSpEOO1oa5L04Mt3B7B7WF9RJ3v4kKrdjYts4ykw0/pubhtml

15 632 Robert Young 36878 M 3:47:05

Viking Coastal Marathons

http://www.saxon-shore.com/viking_coastal_summer/results.html

Robert Young 03:42:52

Robert Young 03:42:21

Scafell Pike Marathon

http://results.sportident.co.uk/home/event.html?eventid=e4f0344f-164a-4125-9b9c-b7e7075b354d&mobile=false

95th Robert Young runwilduk.com M 06:13:44

South Downs Trail Marathon

http://www.resultsbase.net/Results/IndividualResults.aspx?id=2414&theme=209

240 1209 4:56:43 4:56:38 Robert Young

I find the times he claims for his first ever 3 'marathons' in 2 days somewhat unbelievable.

just my take wrote:

Not defending them, just trying to understand them. I don't think they were part of the scam like Dustin. I think they got scammed in that 373 mile run to think Rob was superhuman. They had seen Rob run and thought it was all real. Natural to defend your running friend and think there had to be other explanations and it was all a big witchhunt. Painful to realize you were scammed by someone you thought you knew. Maybe Andy came to realize it. I'd like to see those comments. I don't know if CoachKev ever did.

Andy has written several posts to the ultralist. I didn't read them closely, but my impression was that he was now convinced that RY is a fraud, although he probably didn't use that word.

I see fraudsters everywhere wrote:

Moo Goo wrote:

How legit is Lisa Smith-Batchen? She is one of Rob's biggest supporters on FB. Her Wiki has her being a pretty good ultra runner/marathoner. I find it amazing that someone that accomplished in running and her related running business would be so blind to the obvious. She must know the claims he made before Asher were suspect as a very experienced runner. Those miles and paces he was throwing down were simply ridiculous.

My guess: She's a charity scammer.

I suspect she drove RY in her van for big parts of the RaceAcrossUsa thing.

She's been doing ultras for a long time and started of as legit. Had some respectable times in the past. I haven't exactly been keeping up with what's she been doing lately. Many ultra results can be found at ultrasignup.com

Any legitimacy to this? I searched Lisa Smith Batchen and this came up under this thread:

runbikeswimrunsomemore wrote:

Vanessa and robert (shacky) her husband are in on it. Lots of links between these people. Get a pencil and follow along and get ready to have your mind blown by the level of grifter and mentally ill you're about to read, which is a small portion of the story.

Vanessa and Shacky are in on this scam. As are the 2 american charities which are fake charities. The "Race Across The Usa" RY "won" last year is put on by one of the fake anerican charities he is now "running for".

The American charities are run by RY's pals. He claims he is running for charity. People donate to the "charities" which are actually RY's pals. The money "for the children" goes to RY's pals, the y split the money "for the children".

Anerican charity 1: 100 mile club. Run by kara lubin. Who put on the "Race Across The USA" last year that RY conveniently won. It is possible that is when this current scam was hatched. Fake charity. It is "to bring awareness of childhood obesity and get kids to move at least 100 miles per year." (For the children)! Their founder is 50 lbs overweight making people "aware" of childhood obesity as she uses donations not needed to encourage kids to move that doesn't require money to fly around the country and selfie. The excuse for her using funds for her living expenses and luxury travel to try to ingratiate herself to people she perceives as the run community is she needs to set up new chapters of the "club". A few others involved in this fake are Vanessa and Shacky who gave up their non jobs for years to "crew" the "Race Across The Usa" runners last year. Vanessa is a successful author. So much so that she sets up go fund me accounts for gas money during the fake "Race across the Usa" (for the children)! Others part of this fake, the aforementioned by others Alex Ramsey, Jup Brown, (he needs your money for a go fund me for a flight home after taking time off his not having a job and doing the fake "Race Across the Usa" last year for the fake 100 mile club charity for the children! last year), and Patrick Sweeny among others.

Fake American charity 2 on this one scam. Tyler Robinson Foundation. The same charity Lisa Smith Batchen (mentally ill and has paid her bills her whole life by scams such as the fake badwater quad she never ran among others), was going to do her transcon for this year "for the children"! Until she got caught on her transcon a less than a week in. Oops, I mean had a "medical emergency." So brave. Here's some more reality for you: Lisa originally claimed she was doing her (fake), transcon this year for a legitimate charity, except they didn't know she was using their name. She gave interviews they were partners. They had no idea. That is the level of crazy here. She was setting up a website using their logo but directing to external donation site (her, even though that legitimate charity has huge legal and legitimate full time dedicated fundraising departments). The legitimate charity got tipped off. Ready for more crazy? Lisa went into panic mode and flew unannounced to their headquarters across the country sure she could manipulate them into letting her use their name. She'd already given interviews they were partners. They gave her a tour and got her out of there. They told her no. She continued to try to use their name even after that, (people in the usa are well aware of her mental illness, faked runs, she needed a charity to try to legitimize her fake transcon). Legitimate charity stopped her, after she kept trying to attach her name to theirs well after they her no. At that point she started her posts about "God testing her" on her facebook page (run the nation with lisa smith batchen), soon after, (because they wouldn't let her use a fake run with no gps and no tracking of donation dollars going to her under her name and once they figured out her mental illness that is "God testing her"). Enter Lisa's high school pal jimmy place of chicago who fancies himself quite a media mogul with his production company no one legitimate has ever heard of who volunteers for "tyler robinson foundation" to get them to let Lisa use their name (the new cause she is "passionate about" in days), to try to make her transcon look legitimate. She got caught in less than a week on the road. Now RY's biggest supporter until yesterday when she tried to put some distance, (no we aren't affiliated so we can set up our next scam).

Lots of other grifters and other fake charities as a smokescreen tied to the same core group of people. This is how these people make a living (and destroy the sport). Also, quite possible vanessa couldn't keep up with a hobby jogger even on a bike, she is a larger lady.

1 2 3 green wrote:

Charity donations wrote:

I'm not understanding how raising money for charity from the start leads to a conclusion of anything suspicious. Many things might, but not this

April 14. Runs first "marathon" on a bet.

April 15. Runs second and third "marathon"

April 15. Putney clinic page for marathonmanuk is created (needs confirmation)

April 16. Marathonmanuk Facebook is created

My point is that it's likely he intended on becoming marathonmanuk before he ever ran that first marathon. It did not happen organically.

But my point was why is that suspicious

Sounds like a large portion of the ultra group are cheaters.

knowerofultra wrote:

I see fraudsters everywhere wrote:

My guess: She's a charity scammer.

I suspect she drove RY in her van for big parts of the RaceAcrossUsa thing.

She's been doing ultras for a long time and started of as legit. Had some respectable times in the past. I haven't exactly been keeping up with what's she been doing lately. Many ultra results can be found at ultrasignup.com

LSB hasn't been relevant in ultras for over ten years now.

And how could someone who's been involved in ultras for over 20 years NOT see the inconsistencies of RY's run?

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“It’s incredible what he’s doing,” Smith-Batchen told Runner’s World. “If I thought for one second he was cheating, I would not be supporting this at all. I told Rob and his crew on the phone, ‘Look, I’m sticking my neck out for you guys. So if you’re cheating, I will never forgive you.’”

She did say Young has made mistakes in his record-keeping. “I do feel he could have done a few things differently," she said. “I would have a watch on each hand. I’d have the tracker in my back pocket, and I’d download somewhere like MapMyRun or Strava, if you have the ability to do that.”