Modifying the Norwegian approach to lower mileage

lmao

BTFO

The trolls have regrouped and come back with vigor

So you think people don't train while they're injured? Talk about a weak mentality.

Cant replicate on an elliptical or bike? The Cold War is over partner, update your training knowledge accordingly

I really wish people would just ignore the trolls. So many wasted pages in this thread already. And the ratio is usually at least 3:1 in favour of people engaging the trolls vs the actual trolls posts. You can just skip reading the post and let them be. Nothing will change even if you reply to them.

How are people thinking questioning training when injured is trolling?

The guy is hurt. It happens. That's running. Rest up and come back when you can. Cross training on an elliptical and bike a stupid amount isn't going to add anything to the equation, just make you more hurt. I just hope nobody else thinks this is a good idea.

I don't see how this is being a troll. Much like saying that this is like EIM. it's basically the same idea, shamefully re-hashed.

There are really some clueless posters in this thread who have no idea what actually makes up good training. This isn't it and there's nobody out there other than average hobby joggers who think so.

'Clueless' epitomized

I've been considering looking into this style of training after seeing FOD RUNNERS video , but I've heard a few comments recently about this just being another hashed version of EIM on his comments page and also here? That's something I'm not really sure is for me, big turn off for me.

It's a rip off combo bwtween 80/20 and EIM. Both of which are probably better than this method which is way overblown and hyped and based on not a lot.

It's a nice marketing ploy. But that's about it. Chalk it up to another one of the fads people buy into.

Sounds like someone is jealous to be honest? That's on you, pal.

You are right, of course. Especially if what you mean is sirpoc/NSM vs EIM vs 80/20 are the same in that they are all designed for running. As that is about where the similarities end.

You would have to be pretty dense to think otherwise, a troll or just literally not understanding anything about training philosophy.

EIM is really based on nothing, it has no real philosophy. It's got a plan but I don't think a huge amount of people could tell you what is at it's core focus. The workouts are also pretty far away from this as well as nowhere near as much easy running. KL himself I've never really been convinced has a handle on what/ why he's intending to do. Sirpoc system is the opposite. If you read up on it, you can't really fail to understand what we are working towards. Hopefully a book will totally and definitively lay this out.

80/20? Other than you could say this shares probably the amount of easy versus workouts, it looks similar. But when you actually look into it, two things.

Firstly, the easy running is harder than sirpoc prescribes and secondly, the workouts are almost exactly in the zone Fitzgerald spends about 3 chapters of his book telling you NOT to run.

Also, 80/20 originally as proposed by Seiler was meant as a split between easy and hard sessions, MF seems to have split it in time. Those two guys in particular have publically fought over this interpretation. So there is a lot of grey area. But if you ran a week of sirpoc method and a week of 80/20, you would be running and focusing on different energy systems almost for the entire week.

So no, there is absolutely nothing to link them other than you put shoes on and run.

That DOESN'T mean this method is for everyone, but there's probably nothing out there as good a starting point or nothing out there similar to it that has been prescribed or produced in previous training plans.

That being said, you only have to go back a few pages and sirpoc himself dropped in and pointed out how he views a lot of training mostly being the same. I don't disagree with this but I also think he's doing himself a disservice. Obviously we can all go out and run and we will roughly get fit. But the difference is what gets us as CLOSE to our ability giving our constraints on time, ability and other interests.

That's where if you are not considering this as your #1 starting point, you are doing YOURSELF a disservice.

Jealous of what? A 5k time high school girls run? A marathon time 60 year olds run? Not much to be jealous of there

I actually enjoy the trolls, when they come around every 10 pages or so. The EIM and 80/20 one is funny.

Depends on the Seiler interview you listen to. At this point, he seems to have re-settled at: 'youre either above LT1, or youre below LT1' as a way to conceptualize your training stimuli

As for MF, i mean, the guy has no credibility whatsoever. He's only ever drafting off of the big names of the day/period with his lousy book reports

Legit I do think some people actually believe this, as ridiculous as that is. I watched FODs video and that was genuinely in the comments. Not written in a troll way either.

Seen many people say it on different Reddit pages as well. I personally can't actually see how anyone could possibly think it. But, I'm not convinced they are trolling.

The MF article on sirpoc's training was one of the worst things that has probably ever been written on running. You have to ask why he even bothered. Either was rushed or he just can't be bothered these days. But it didn't make a lot of sense why he would bother.

Norwegians are definately gifted at high mileage

Yeah I'm not really sure what more a guy in his 40s with a full time job can do, at this point. He's taken it waaaay beyond what normal hobby joggers can manage and seems to have absolutely maximised his ability on the time available, probably to almost the limit. If he was doing 150-60km a week that would be different. But he's running these kind of times off maybe 2/3 of that, maybe less at times. I really don't know what more people want.

Because he thinks there's a $ to be capitalized on with a new banner

Don't worry, he probably had an assistant write it and was just going to put his 'stamp' on it

The guy is a machine of unoriginal thought and hasty merchandising

I think a big part of the trolling and negativity coming on here and Reddit is that people don't want to believe someone ran a 15:01 5k and a 2:24 marathon at 41 while running just 8 or 9 hours a week. They don't want to believe because it makes them and their training look bad.

Many people are struggling to hit the times they want and will say "I don't have the time to run 100 miles a week. That is the reason I'm not fast enough" or "I have a full time job, I can't be competing with these kids" - Sirpoc and this method challenge that thinking and it is scaring some people. The excuses are gone. You don't need to be superman to hit a fast time. You don't need to run stupid mileage for 12/14 hours a week. You just need to run WISELY and manage your fatigue. Get the most out of your runs. You don't need to run yourself into the ground.

I think some people probably don't think these times are "earned" because of the limited training mileage.