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6 years ago 07/26/2019 1:28pm EDT

re: Rigged for Hillary

Rigged for Hillary wrote:
[quote]Flagpole wrote:
Not only growth that he said would be 4% and even higher, but we'd have a wall, and not only a wall, but one Mexico would pay for, Hillary would be behind bars, Obamacare would be repealed and replaced. Those are the three main things he ran on in 2016. These aren't some small promises he made that an opponent would just bring up to have something to bring up, these were his MAIN points! Whipped his supporters up into a frenzy over those things:
"Lock her up!"
"And who's going to pay for that wall?" "MEXICO!!!" "You better believe it."
"Repealing and replacing Obamacare will be so easy. So easy."
He also said he would wipe out the national debt in 8 years. That was lunacy, and of course he hasn't even knocked it down but increased it.
So, he was interesting as a candidate in 2016. He had the outsider vibe so many were attracted to. He was a "successful" businessman.
BUT, we have learned more about him since then.
1) His three main promises mentioned above have NOT come true. He even had the House and Senate the first 2 years and couldn't do any of it.
2) We found out that NO, he wasn't going to be able to get rid of the national debt in 8 years.
3) We found out that NO, he wasn't this great businessman most of the world thought he was.
4) We have seen his attacks on our democracy with repeated attacks on our press, our judges, and anyone with any power to question him.
5) He has said outrageously racist things, taking him from "yeah, he's probably racist" to "yep...he's a full-on racist."
6) He cozies up to dictators...MURDEROUS dictators. Ridiculous. He has given Kim Jong Un legitimacy by meeting with him despite no concessions by Kim Jong Un and no movement toward anything positive for the US and our allies.
7) He has lied at an outrageous unfathomable rate.
8) He has proven NOT to be a fiscal conservative...really the ONLY thing that is admirable about traditional conservative (stated) values. I say "stated" because Republicans don't really walk the walk on that and more than Democrats have.
9) He has proven he is NOT a Christian. Has said he never has to ask for forgiveness, is Mr. Two Corinthians. Now, I couldn't care less if he is a Christian or not, but many Christians do care, and he is clearly NOT one. You can't just say you are and be one.[quote]
You have late stage TDS. Seek help.

Look, I'm no fan of Flagpole--in fact I've gotten to the point where I generally just skip posts by him or about him--but I have to break in here. Your saying "You have late stage TDS" does not constitute a refutation of any of his points.

If you really have to resort to ad hominem stuff, you're basically conceding the *substance* of Flagpole's post--and also lowering yourself to his level.

6 years ago 07/26/2019 1:29pm EDT

re: History Says

History Says wrote:
Silly YOU wrote:
Flagpole said NONE of those things, '
You should be banned for posting LIES!
Actually, Flagpole already admitted that he did in fact say those things higher up on this page.
They were all proven to be wrong- every single one- but yes, he said them.

6 years ago 07/26/2019 1:31pm EDT

re: Fat hurts

Fat hurts wrote:
Since so many of you are interested in my yard man, here is an easy riddle:
My father-in-law has known my yard man's mother for many years.
They have been together naked.
They did not have sex at the time.
Where did I meet my yard man?**
** Remember, it's a riddle. You should apply Occam's razor. The simplest answer is correct.

Swinger's party?

6 years ago 07/26/2019 1:37pm EDT

re: Racket

Racket wrote:
agip wrote:
it is probably wrongdoing by ICE, but there were strange pieces to it. Apparently he had a documetn showing he was Mexican born and nothing showing he was American. The mom says the document showing he was mexican born was false, to help get him into Mexico. He had no US birth certificate.
I think these things I'm saying are true but I'm not 100% sure.
And he was traveling with his brother who apparently wasn't a US citizen and there were other non-citizens in the car with them.
Look, I hate cops (and border patrol agents are just cops) and I'm not about to take their side either. But in this day and age I think it's critical to independently verify and research, especially on something like this, that, true or not, was specifically published to elicit and emotional reaction from people.

According to the article, he was carrying a state ID. Couldn't ICE have confirmed it's authenticity with about 5 minutes of research?

6 years ago 07/26/2019 1:38pm EDT

re: Racket

Racket wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
You may be right about an ordinary account at an FDIC bank. I know I've opened online brokerage accounts without an ID.
You don't need a photo ID for employment. If you look at the I-9 form, there are many acceptable forms of ID that do not require a government-issued photo ID.
You need an SSN and an US based address for a brokerage account and Patriot Act identity verification ("know your customer" laws) is still applicable. If you trade on margin then you might need a credit check or sufficient capital to back the account. But we both know that lower income people aren't opening brokerage accounts.
What other form of ID is someone going to have if not a government issued ID? I doubt they'll have a student ID or a library card with their photo on it lol.
Again, it's disingenuous to pretend you can get by a-OK without an ID. Even if it's technically possible, it puts you at a massive disadvantage and pretending otherwise is silly. A proper solution is easy and free access to a state issued photo ID but we all know Republicans don't want that.

I missed it What is the hard part about getting a state issued ID? And are they easily accessible in Democratic run states?

6 years ago 07/26/2019 1:43pm EDT

re: Just sayin'...

Just sayin'... wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
[quote]Flagpole wrote:
Not only growth that he said would be 4% and even higher, but we'd have a wall, and not only a wall, but one Mexico would pay for, Hillary would be behind bars, Obamacare would be repealed and replaced. Those are the three main things he ran on in 2016. These aren't some small promises he made that an opponent would just bring up to have something to bring up, these were his MAIN points! Whipped his supporters up into a frenzy over those things:
"Lock her up!"
"And who's going to pay for that wall?" "MEXICO!!!" "You better believe it."
"Repealing and replacing Obamacare will be so easy. So easy."
He also said he would wipe out the national debt in 8 years. That was lunacy, and of course he hasn't even knocked it down but increased it.
So, he was interesting as a candidate in 2016. He had the outsider vibe so many were attracted to. He was a "successful" businessman.
BUT, we have learned more about him since then.
1) His three main promises mentioned above have NOT come true. He even had the House and Senate the first 2 years and couldn't do any of it.
2) We found out that NO, he wasn't going to be able to get rid of the national debt in 8 years.
3) We found out that NO, he wasn't this great businessman most of the world thought he was.
4) We have seen his attacks on our democracy with repeated attacks on our press, our judges, and anyone with any power to question him.
5) He has said outrageously racist things, taking him from "yeah, he's probably racist" to "yep...he's a full-on racist."
6) He cozies up to dictators...MURDEROUS dictators. Ridiculous. He has given Kim Jong Un legitimacy by meeting with him despite no concessions by Kim Jong Un and no movement toward anything positive for the US and our allies.
7) He has lied at an outrageous unfathomable rate.
8) He has proven NOT to be a fiscal conservative...really the ONLY thing that is admirable about traditional conservative (stated) values. I say "stated" because Republicans don't really walk the walk on that and more than Democrats have.
9) He has proven he is NOT a Christian. Has said he never has to ask for forgiveness, is Mr. Two Corinthians. Now, I couldn't care less if he is a Christian or not, but many Christians do care, and he is clearly NOT one. You can't just say you are and be one.[quote]
You have late stage TDS. Seek help.
Look, I'm no fan of Flagpole--in fact I've gotten to the point where I generally just skip posts by him or about him--but I have to break in here. Your saying "You have late stage TDS" does not constitute a refutation of any of his points.
If you really have to resort to ad hominem stuff, you're basically conceding the *substance* of Flagpole's post--and also lowering yourself to his level.

Glad to see I'm not to only one who skips over Flagpole posts now. He's gone off the deep end. I put him in the Sally Vix, jessriley, and RiggedforHillary wacko camp.

6 years ago 07/26/2019 1:50pm EDT

re: Errrrr

Errrrr wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Since so many of you are interested in my yard man, here is an easy riddle:
My father-in-law has known my yard man's mother for many years.
They have been together naked.
They did not have sex at the time.
Where did I meet my yard man?**
** Remember, it's a riddle. You should apply Occam's razor. The simplest answer is correct.
Swinger's party?

Funny, but wrong.

6 years ago 07/26/2019 1:58pm EDT

re: SDSU Aztec

SDSU Aztec wrote:
Racket wrote:
And he was traveling with his brother who apparently wasn't a US citizen and there were other non-citizens in the car with them.
Look, I hate cops (and border patrol agents are just cops) and I'm not about to take their side either. But in this day and age I think it's critical to independently verify and research, especially on something like this, that, true or not, was specifically published to elicit and emotional reaction from people.
According to the article, he was carrying a state ID. Couldn't ICE have confirmed it's authenticity with about 5 minutes of research?

I think ICE does a great job. Liberals are doing everything to destroy ICE. AOC wants to do away with not only ICE but also Homeland Security. You really support this lady?

6 years ago 07/26/2019 1:58pm EDT

re: anon a

anon a wrote:
Racket wrote:
You need an SSN and an US based address for a brokerage account and Patriot Act identity verification ("know your customer" laws) is still applicable. If you trade on margin then you might need a credit check or sufficient capital to back the account. But we both know that lower income people aren't opening brokerage accounts.
What other form of ID is someone going to have if not a government issued ID? I doubt they'll have a student ID or a library card with their photo on it lol.
Again, it's disingenuous to pretend you can get by a-OK without an ID. Even if it's technically possible, it puts you at a massive disadvantage and pretending otherwise is silly. A proper solution is easy and free access to a state issued photo ID but we all know Republicans don't want that.
I missed it What is the hard part about getting a state issued ID? And are they easily accessible in Democratic run states?

Yes, you missed it. How hard it is to get depends on where you live and whether or not you have appropriate documentation like a certified copy of your birth certificate.

In some localities, the place you would go for an ID might be a long way from where you live and rarely open. If you have no transportation and the hours are not convenient, it can be tough to get.

Again, there have been a number of court cases that cover all this stuff. Courts have ruled that states who require an ID for voting need to make them available for free because to do otherwise would constitute a poll tax.

And also, the courts have said they need to be easy to obtain. It's that last part which remains contentions on a case by case basis.

But anything that makes it harder to vote helps Republicans.

6 years ago 07/26/2019 1:58pm EDT

re: Ciro

Ciro wrote:
Ghost of Iggy, I know you post a lot about Ilhan Omar, her is the Republican alternative.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/25/danielle-stella-republican-ilhan-omar-charged-felony-qanon-trump?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR36K32uA4Uvxc4qZMP215HbuN-bRQU_KvThquoIhyWJrXyVAiSGuIPqdI0#Echobox=1564084615
She seems like a beaut.

Ciro,

Agreed. I really don’t care for most politicians on either side. Generally do a horrible job of serving the people.

Igy

6 years ago 07/26/2019 2:01pm EDT

re: Just sayin'...

Just sayin'... wrote:
Look, I'm no fan of Flagpole--in fact I've gotten to the point where I generally just skip posts by him or about him--but I have to break in here. Your saying "You have late stage TDS" does not constitute a refutation of any of his points.
If you really have to resort to ad hominem stuff, you're basically conceding the *substance* of Flagpole's post--and also lowering yourself to his level.

To clarify, no one LOWERS themselves to my level. It is only possible to RAISE themselves to my level...well, with regard anyone who posts here. There are a few who don't have to raise themselves up too far, however.

Jimmy Carter is one who is above me in terms of greatness, though as far as I know he doesn't post here. Fred Rogers was above me in terms of greatness. Can't think of anyone else off hand.

6 years ago 07/26/2019 2:06pm EDT

re: +1 er

+1 er wrote:
Glad to see I'm not to only one who skips over Flagpole posts now. He's gone off the deep end. I put him in the Sally Vix, jessriley, and RiggedforHillary wacko camp.

If you skip over my posts, how do you have an opinion that I've "gone off the deep end?"

You just read this post of mine too. Just letting you know so that you can work on your integrity a bit.

6 years ago 07/26/2019 2:12pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
+1 er wrote:
Glad to see I'm not to only one who skips over Flagpole posts now. He's gone off the deep end. I put him in the Sally Vix, jessriley, and RiggedforHillary wacko camp.
If you skip over my posts, how do you have an opinion that I've "gone off the deep end?"
You just read this post of mine too. Just letting you know so that you can work on your integrity a bit.

The irony. The person who posts here with the least amount of integrity of ANYONE in this thread telling another to work on his or her integrity. Just laughable.

6 years ago 07/26/2019 2:16pm EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
According to the article, he was carrying a state ID. Couldn't ICE have confirmed it's authenticity with about 5 minutes of research?
I think ICE does a great job. Liberals are doing everything to destroy ICE. AOC wants to do away with not only ICE but also Homeland Security. You really support this lady?

Sally, kind of an odd response. We're discussing this one case and whether it is "fake news" or at least exagerated.

I've never really understand people wanting to do away with ICE. There will always be a need to deport people so replacing it with a different agency with a different name is meaningless.

As for AOC, I cant stand her and hope that she won't be reelected.

6 years ago 07/26/2019 2:20pm EDT

re: Fat hurts

Fat hurts wrote:
anon a wrote:
I missed it What is the hard part about getting a state issued ID? And are they easily accessible in Democratic run states?
Yes, you missed it. How hard it is to get depends on where you live and whether or not you have appropriate documentation like a certified copy of your birth certificate.
In some localities, the place you would go for an ID might be a long way from where you live and rarely open. If you have no transportation and the hours are not convenient, it can be tough to get.
Again, there have been a number of court cases that cover all this stuff. Courts have ruled that states who require an ID for voting need to make them available for free because to do otherwise would constitute a poll tax.
And also, the courts have said they need to be easy to obtain. It's that last part which remains contentions on a case by case basis.
But anything that makes it harder to vote helps Republicans.

I may need some divine intervention here in dealing with the stupidity and ignorance of many who post here. How is it that only the Liberals here are informed? It's not a political difference issue. It is a knowledge vs. ignorance issue, and it is shocking and disturbing the lack of knowledge that envelops the Trump supporters here. I do not know who "anon a" is, but it is clear it's a dumba$$ and clearly not a liberal.

6 years ago 07/26/2019 2:23pm EDT

re: Fat hurts

Fat hurts wrote:
anon a wrote:
I missed it What is the hard part about getting a state issued ID? And are they easily accessible in Democratic run states?
Yes, you missed it. How hard it is to get depends on where you live and whether or not you have appropriate documentation like a certified copy of your birth certificate.
In some localities, the place you would go for an ID might be a long way from where you live and rarely open. If you have no transportation and the hours are not convenient, it can be tough to get.
Again, there have been a number of court cases that cover all this stuff. Courts have ruled that states who require an ID for voting need to make them available for free because to do otherwise would constitute a poll tax.
And also, the courts have said they need to be easy to obtain. It's that last part which remains contentions on a case by case basis.
But anything that makes it harder to vote helps Republicans.

ID or no ID. Above are the reasons these people don't even vote.

6 years ago 07/26/2019 2:25pm EDT

re: Smorbun

Smorbun wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Yes, you missed it. How hard it is to get depends on where you live and whether or not you have appropriate documentation like a certified copy of your birth certificate.
In some localities, the place you would go for an ID might be a long way from where you live and rarely open. If you have no transportation and the hours are not convenient, it can be tough to get.
Again, there have been a number of court cases that cover all this stuff. Courts have ruled that states who require an ID for voting need to make them available for free because to do otherwise would constitute a poll tax.
And also, the courts have said they need to be easy to obtain. It's that last part which remains contentions on a case by case basis.
But anything that makes it harder to vote helps Republicans.
I may need some divine intervention here in dealing with the stupidity and ignorance of many who post here. How is it that only the Liberals here are informed? It's not a political difference issue. It is a knowledge vs. ignorance issue, and it is shocking and disturbing the lack of knowledge that envelops the Trump supporters here. I do not know who "anon a" is, but it is clear it's a dumba$$ and clearly not a liberal.

Do you know how absurd it is to claim that only Liberals are informed and knowledgeable and conservatives are all ignorant? Do you even know what ignorant means? But back to your claim and its absurdity - There are many well-informed people here - on both sides - and many are hardliners. But to suggest that only liberals are well-informed is just ludicrous. I will concede many liberals here are intelligent and well-informed but we disagree politically.

6 years ago 07/26/2019 2:28pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
+1 er wrote:
Glad to see I'm not to only one who skips over Flagpole posts now. He's gone off the deep end. I put him in the Sally Vix, jessriley, and RiggedforHillary wacko camp.
If you skip over my posts, how do you have an opinion that I've "gone off the deep end?"
You just read this post of mine too. Just letting you know so that you can work on your integrity a bit.

Perhaps that poster started skipping your posts AFTER you went off the deep end.

I, for one, enjoy reading your posts. It is the same guilty pleasure I get out of watching "fail" videos on YouTube.

6 years ago 07/26/2019 2:40pm EDT

re: SDSU Aztec

SDSU Aztec wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
I think ICE does a great job. Liberals are doing everything to destroy ICE. AOC wants to do away with not only ICE but also Homeland Security. You really support this lady?
Sally, kind of an odd response. We're discussing this one case and whether it is "fake news" or at least exagerated.
I've never really understand people wanting to do away with ICE. There will always be a need to deport people so replacing it with a different agency with a different name is meaningless.
As for AOC, I cant stand her and hope that she won't be reelected.

It's not meaningless. A different administrative structure can make a huge difference in an organization. ICE is not a very old agency. A lot of people believe that the previous structure was better.

I have no opinion on it one way or the other.

AOC will be re-elected easily.

6 years ago 07/26/2019 2:48pm EDT

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
+1 er wrote:
Glad to see I'm not to only one who skips over Flagpole posts now. He's gone off the deep end. I put him in the Sally Vix, jessriley, and RiggedforHillary wacko camp.
If you skip over my posts, how do you have an opinion that I've "gone off the deep end?"
You just read this post of mine too. Just letting you know so that you can work on your integrity a bit.

Flagpole's heart is in the right place, he just has too much faith in the system and too much faith in justice.

Trump obstructed, that's obvious, mostly because he really thinks he can do whatever he wants. He's trying his best to be a dictator and our Congressmen are powerless to stop him because the system is tied to the eb and flow of personal opinion which itself is controlled by the media.

Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator on a felony campaign finance violation. Again see above for reasons why this goes nowhere.

He's the most corrupt president we've had in my lifetime based on actual investigations....not based on gossip or opinion.

Alan

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