OFFICIAL USA championships thread.

1 Brianna Rollins

Nike 12.26 AR +1.2

2 Queen Harrison

Saucony 12.43 +1.2

3 Nia Ali

Nike 12.48 +1.2

4 Kellie Wells

Nike 12.54 +1.2

5 Lolo Jones

Asics 12.55 +1.2

6 Kristi Castlin

Nike 12.61 +1.2

7 Vashti Thomas

Academy of Art University 12.86 +1.2

8 Jacquelyn Coward

Saucony

Distances Overwhelm Me wrote:

Let's give some credit to both Manzano and Lomong as they used their experience and both speed and positioning to nudge out Mac Fleet for the 2nd and 3rd spots. In some ways, Fleet did a great job, laying it all out there for the last 400 meters. This young man (NCAA champion) is just a college junior at Oregon and could be a new face at the top in another couple years.

Fleet ran OK but he was sixth, more than nudged out.

It was Matthew Elliott in fourth. Quite a finish for a guy who's not exactly a "name".

Thank goodness Kellie Wells won't be representing the U.S. this time around. Enough of that nutcase.

Oregon Project entered seven runners. Only Puskedra did not finish in the top three. Getting ready when it counts!

Hasay--silver

Erdmann--bronze

Rupp-gold

Ritz--silver

Moser--gold

Cain--silver

Centro--gold

Chet Manly wrote:

Does anyone know Matt Elliot? From what I can find his 1500 PR was only 3:40.52. He had to be the slowest runner in the field so it's impressive he managed to finish 4th.

I ran with Matt at Winthrop University. One of the nicest and hardest working people you will meet.

His life story goes like this. He ran a 4:40 mile in high school, went to Presbyterian College in South Carolina (D2). PC didn't have track so he ran XC all 4 years with 8K times in the 27s. Transferred to Winthrop for grad school. His one and only year of college track he qualified for nationals in the 1500 but wasn't an All-American.

Post college he has stayed mostly around the Rock Hill, SC/Charlotte, NC area to train. He trains mostly on his own.

Better things to do than this wrote:

Nothing "happened" to Will Leer. He finished where he always finishes: NEAR the top.

There's a reason that he has the record he has. He's good, but he's not that good. ....

5th in the National Championships would seem to be pretty good.

Is it a new AR with a +1.2 wind?

wtfunny wrote:

Better things to do than this wrote:

Nothing "happened" to Will Leer. He finished where he always finishes: NEAR the top.

There's a reason that he has the record he has. He's good, but he's not that good. ....

5th in the National Championships would seem to be pretty good.

I disagree. I'd say 5th is better than pretty good.

But the OP was talking about getting on the national team. For that, "pretty good" isn't good enough.

That's all I'm saying.

yogibear wrote:

Is it a new AR with a +1.2 wind?

Yep.

just saying wrote:

Manzano ran a much worse race than Leer....

Huh? Leo beat Will.

When it counts, Leo always beats Will.

It's time to face the facts. There is nothing Will could have done differently. No matter how he ran, those three would have beat him.

The third place finisher in women's 1,500 Cory McGee will

need an A quali, because Rowbury has an A and was fourth.

Is this correct ?

McGee comes from tiny Pas Christian, Ms. which was destroyed by Hurricane Katrina.

Good luck Corey.

nuggy11 wrote:

The third place finisher in women's 1,500 Cory McGee will

need an A quali, because Rowbury has an A and was fourth.

Is this correct ?

McGee comes from tiny Pas Christian, Ms. which was destroyed by Hurricane Katrina.

Good luck Corey.

Need B

AAB goes If she gets B McGee can not get displaced by a lower finishing A Q

I Knew You Did wrote:

Chet Manly wrote:

Does anyone know Matt Elliot? From what I can find his 1500 PR was only 3:40.52. He had to be the slowest runner in the field so it's impressive he managed to finish 4th.

I ran with Matt at Winthrop University. One of the nicest and hardest working people you will meet.

His life story goes like this. He ran a 4:40 mile in high school, went to Presbyterian College in South Carolina (D2). PC didn't have track so he ran XC all 4 years with 8K times in the 27s. Transferred to Winthrop for grad school. His one and only year of college track he qualified for nationals in the 1500 but wasn't an All-American.

Post college he has stayed mostly around the Rock Hill, SC/Charlotte, NC area to train. He trains mostly on his own.

Thanks for that. To finish fourth is really impressive. His listed 800 PR is just under 1:51 which has to be one of the slowest in the field. I can't imagine his 400 PR is that fast either. Really great for him to finish that high in a National Championship.

Better things to do than this wrote:

It's time to face the facts. There is nothing Will could have done differently. No matter how he ran, those three would have beat him.

Not if he'd run a 3:33.

So far only Centrowitz is guaranteed a trip to Moscow. NO ONE in the final has the A standard. Something, of course, that NBC failed to mentioned.

I think there's too much being made of no American male having the A. Maybe it's a little curious, I guess, but those guys all knew they'd have a month+ to chase the standard after the national meet. I'm sure if, like an Olympic year, the hopefuls KNEW in Jan/Feb that the final team roster would be decided at USATF, they'd make more of an effort to hit the A at some point earlier in the season.

In a WC situation, where you have the luxury of chasing, it might even be better for a runner to wait for USAs to sharpen up, then sharpen up a little more, hit the A standard, then sharpen up the last bit for the WCs.

You might even argue that this way allows runners to be better prepared for the late summer championship meets, rather than trying to hold ~3:34 shape from May til August. I'm not totally sure I buy that argument myself, but I think there's some merit to the idea.

not quite right wrote:

Better things to do than this wrote:

It's time to face the facts. There is nothing Will could have done differently. No matter how he ran, those three would have beat him.

Not if he'd run a 3:33.

But Will could not have run a 3.33!

As I said: It's time to face the facts. And the fact is that Will is good, but not that good.

Maybe, just maybe, if he situated himself toward the front of the pack in a slow race, he might be able to finish higher. Salazar's advice to Cain and Moser--it will be slow, so go straight to the back, save energy, and you'll be able to outkick everyone. Salazar's advice to Centro--it will be slow, so go straight to the front, don't lead earlier than the last lap, and you'll be able to outkick everyone. What's sauce for the goose, isn't necessarily sauce for the gander.

not quite right wrote:

Better things to do than this wrote:

It's time to face the facts. There is nothing Will could have done differently. No matter how he ran, those three would have beat him.

Not if he'd run a 3:33.

Why would you want to be in a situation (that you really cannot control) where you have to find a race where you have the possibility to run sub 3:35.01 by 7/20? Flying all over Europe chasing a time is hardly the best way to “sharpen up” for a World Championship.