if you have any bold predictions to make before the season starts get them out now
a good 25% of the top 10 in any event won't make state finals so i'm always interested in seeing who doesn't get through the rounds
100: Arrington looks good but he almost lost to harris earlier this season. Servite has historically had a tough time in the postseason so i'm curious how they will do this year. I'm not gonna bet against Arrington though
200: Arrington all the way. It would be an upset of monumental proportions if he looses. I expect him to run 20.1 at san diego masters or the state meet.
400: Stadlman was dealing with an injury for much of this season. Despite that, he has an extraordinarily strong second half and I think he will win.
4x100: Potentially the event of the meet, assuming everyone gets through the rounds intact - history says that between Poly, Servite, and Rancho, one of them will not be at state finals. One of the sermons twins already had a mishap at Mt. Sac - if anyone knows what happened there, let me know.
4x400: This is my pick for event of the meet. 7 teams under 3:15 - unparalleled depth. I expect the winner at the state meet to run under 3:10, minimum. What's insane is that 6 of those teams are all in southern section. The last one, Central, is in central section.
Team title: Hard to say, but my money is on Servite right now.
if you have any bold predictions to make before the season starts get them out now
a good 25% of the top 10 in any event won't make state finals so i'm always interested in seeing who doesn't get through the rounds
100: Journey Cole continues to be the frontrunner in the 100 with a wind legal 11.36. Carson always peaks well for the state meet though, and Christina Grey is a veteran. Careful of Mccuskey-Hay as well. Two years ago she got the best start I have ever seen in person to take second at the state meet.
200: Honestly, it's pretty open right now.
400: Somehow even more open. The top 8 in the state probably all have an equal shot at the state championship right now, and it's gonna come down to who manages the rounds better. My bet is on one of the CCS runners - Hannah Rutherford, last year's runner-up, and Clara Adams, who closes the second half of races insanely fast.
4x100: Long Beach Poly have had historical success in the 4x100, and have an equally deep squad this year, but Rosary upset them at Arcadia in a very, very fast race. I wouldn't be shocked to see a sub 45 winning time at Masters or states, and I think it's gonna be a two team competition there.
4x400: Is this really a question? I think Wilson has won 4 out of the last 7 4x400 titles, or something insane like that. Wilson will win and I don't expect it to be particularly close. If anyone gets close, Canyon will - they have an incredible 400 squad in the open, but haven't really translated that to relay success yet. The Carlsbad team with the Herbst twins is second in the state right now, but are reliant on two 60 second runners. Hard to say if that will cut it at the state meet - will come down to the twins both putting down 52-second legs.
Team title: Equally hard to say, but Wilson is always very deep in the individual events and has a great jumper with Loren Webster. They are my pick for the team title right now.
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Part of the difficult around team titles at the state meet, which are probably among the hardest sporting titles to win in the state of California, if not the United States, is that strength on paper rarely translates to actual results after going through 5-7 rounds of racing.
Last year, Cathedral was the favorite to win, but late season injuries and the unfortunate 4x400/4x800 event placement meant no first place trophy. You have to have some really damn good individuals to win the title, which is why it's always so interesting.
Here's some history!
- In 2017, Poly girls won the state title with 3 girls - a win in the 100/200, third in the triple and second in the long, and 8th in the 800 for 31 points, 1 point above Carson. It was crazy too, since the Carson team was made up of Long Beach Poly transfers who had left in 2016 after Don Norford retired.
- In 2009, FOUR boys teams tied for the first place trophy with 20 points each. What a mess!
1. Randall Caroll won the 100/200 for Cathedral
2. Reggie Wyatt won the 400/300h for La Sierra
3. Clovis East had someone place 4th in shot, 2nd in discus, and someone else place 2nd in pole vault
4. Matt Darr won the shot put/discus double for Frontier
Part of the difficult around team titles at the state meet, which are probably among the hardest sporting titles to win in the state of California, if not the United States, is that strength on paper rarely translates to actual results after going through 5-7 rounds of racing.
Last year, Cathedral was the favorite to win, but late season injuries and the unfortunate 4x400/4x800 event placement meant no first place trophy. You have to have some really damn good individuals to win the title, which is why it's always so interesting.
Here's some history!
- In 2017, Poly girls won the state title with 3 girls - a win in the 100/200, third in the triple and second in the long, and 8th in the 800 for 31 points, 1 point above Carson. It was crazy too, since the Carson team was made up of Long Beach Poly transfers who had left in 2016 after Don Norford retired.
- In 2009, FOUR boys teams tied for the first place trophy with 20 points each. What a mess!
1. Randall Caroll won the 100/200 for Cathedral
2. Reggie Wyatt won the 400/300h for La Sierra
3. Clovis East had someone place 4th in shot, 2nd in discus, and someone else place 2nd in pole vault
4. Matt Darr won the shot put/discus double for Frontier
Really cool! I love when people share facts like this
I really wish CA postseason was different. 5-7 rounds of racing is just absurd. This isn't the Olympics - this is high school. Also, the Southern Section needs to be split in like, thirds. I know several have mentioned that already but I'd pay to see it happen.
I feel like we have lost many talented athletes to burnout/overracing due to these rounds, as well as their mere location (section) making it more difficult than it needs to be to achieve high at state
Not be tolerated?? It is perfectly within the current rules. You guys don't understand the definition of cheat. And it has been talked about ad nauseam. No one on this board can change the rules, so what is the purpose? And it is not even a California specific problem, as this topic has consumed many threads about other runners in other states as well.
You guys have had some good posts about specific teams and individual achievements, the things that this thread is supposed to be about. If you want, start a new thread about high school age limits and have at it. That topic has run its course on this thread.
“It is perfectly within the current rules”
So you’re saying that it’s totally acceptable and fair to have two HS seniors race each other - but one is a late birthday who is 16 turning 17, against the other senior who has already turned 19 and should be a first year college student??
In what world does that make sense?
It makes sense in this world, enough that it has been that way for a long time. The spread is going to be one year + some extra time for those who choose to start early + some extra time for those who choose to start late. And they probably will add some time for those who were held back even further. In any case, the spread could be up to 2 years. If you think the current spread is too big, then do what adults do and find the contact information for those who set the rules and complain to them.
In what world does it make sense to complain over and over on a thread read by about 15 people who have no power over it? It makes sense on just one world - planet dumba$$.
Now go find the people who can actually change it. I hope you can change it because it seems important to you. But the rest of us have heard enough. We get your point. We know. We understand.
So you’re saying that it’s totally acceptable and fair to have two HS seniors race each other - but one is a late birthday who is 16 turning 17, against the other senior who has already turned 19 and should be a first year college student??
In what world does that make sense?
It makes sense in this world, enough that it has been that way for a long time. The spread is going to be one year + some extra time for those who choose to start early + some extra time for those who choose to start late. And they probably will add some time for those who were held back even further. In any case, the spread could be up to 2 years. If you think the current spread is too big, then do what adults do and find the contact information for those who set the rules and complain to them.
In what world does it make sense to complain over and over on a thread read by about 15 people who have no power over it? It makes sense on just one world - planet dumba$.
Now go find the people who can actually change it. I hope you can change it because it seems important to you. But the rest of us have heard enough. We get your point. We know. We understand.
People are bringing it up/complaining because it DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I suggest you pull that giant stick out of your ass and face reality, because the reason why several people are bringing it up is because how much of an issue it is becoming in athletics.
"the rest of us" who the hell are you even speaking for? Just about everyone else agrees it is a problem... I don't see anyone else actually supporting the cause other than you.
I agree that complaining on here about ages does nothing. Get over it and move on to the actual competition. If you don't like it then talk to CIF or NFHS or school districts.
if you have any bold predictions to make before the season starts get them out now
a good 25% of the top 10 in any event won't make state finals so i'm always interested in seeing who doesn't get through the rounds
Morales, Obando, and Bowman will fail to advance to the state final and the winning time will be (yet again) some underdog in 1:50 low because I am convinced the CA 800m final has a generational curse of never being able to break 1:50. It's been 1:50-1:51for the last 10 years.
100: Arrington looks good but he almost lost to harris earlier this season. Servite has historically had a tough time in the postseason so i'm curious how they will do this year. I'm not gonna bet against Arrington though
200: Arrington all the way. It would be an upset of monumental proportions if he looses. I expect him to run 20.1 at san diego masters or the state meet.
4x100: Potentially the event of the meet, assuming everyone gets through the rounds intact - history says that between Poly, Servite, and Rancho, one of them will not be at state finals. One of the sermons twins already had a mishap at Mt. Sac - if anyone knows what happened there, let me know.
Team title: Hard to say, but my money is on Servite right now.
I'll be filming the CIF SS D1 prelims and finals (and probably the CIFSS Master). What would you want to see with coverage of the 100m sprint (closer up? wider to see all the sprinters? no slow motion?) - see one with Arrington on the 100 here:
100: Arrington looks good but he almost lost to harris earlier this season. Servite has historically had a tough time in the postseason so i'm curious how they will do this year. I'm not gonna bet against Arrington though
200: Arrington all the way. It would be an upset of monumental proportions if he looses. I expect him to run 20.1 at san diego masters or the state meet.
4x100: Potentially the event of the meet, assuming everyone gets through the rounds intact - history says that between Poly, Servite, and Rancho, one of them will not be at state finals. One of the sermons twins already had a mishap at Mt. Sac - if anyone knows what happened there, let me know.
Team title: Hard to say, but my money is on Servite right now.
I'll be filming the CIF SS D1 prelims and finals (and probably the CIFSS Master). What would you want to see with coverage of the 100m sprint (closer up? wider to see all the sprinters? no slow motion?) - see one with Arrington on the 100 here:
100: Arrington looks good but he almost lost to harris earlier this season. Servite has historically had a tough time in the postseason so i'm curious how they will do this year. I'm not gonna bet against Arrington though
200: Arrington all the way. It would be an upset of monumental proportions if he looses. I expect him to run 20.1 at san diego masters or the state meet.
4x100: Potentially the event of the meet, assuming everyone gets through the rounds intact - history says that between Poly, Servite, and Rancho, one of them will not be at state finals. One of the sermons twins already had a mishap at Mt. Sac - if anyone knows what happened there, let me know.
Team title: Hard to say, but my money is on Servite right now.
I'll be filming the CIF SS D1 prelims and finals (and probably the CIFSS Master). What would you want to see with coverage of the 100m sprint (closer up? wider to see all the sprinters? no slow motion?) - see one with Arrington on the 100 here:
It makes sense in this world, enough that it has been that way for a long time. The spread is going to be one year + some extra time for those who choose to start early + some extra time for those who choose to start late. And they probably will add some time for those who were held back even further. In any case, the spread could be up to 2 years. If you think the current spread is too big, then do what adults do and find the contact information for those who set the rules and complain to them.
In what world does it make sense to complain over and over on a thread read by about 15 people who have no power over it? It makes sense on just one world - planet dumba$.
Now go find the people who can actually change it. I hope you can change it because it seems important to you. But the rest of us have heard enough. We get your point. We know. We understand.
People are bringing it up/complaining because it DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I suggest you pull that giant stick out of your ass and face reality, because the reason why several people are bringing it up is because how much of an issue it is becoming in athletics.
"the rest of us" who the hell are you even speaking for? Just about everyone else agrees it is a problem... I don't see anyone else actually supporting the cause other than you.
I am not supporting it, I said "I hope you can change it". I meant it. It doesn't matter to me, but I agree the age limit seems a little high. I started college at 17, so I've been there. But this is not the place to make that happen. You should take this up with the people who can make it happen. Can we agree on that? Start a new thread and ask people to sign an online petition to have the age limit moved X months, so that the powers that be know that a lot of people feel that way. I'd even sign it if it was convincing.
That said, the current rules now are very clear, and you shouldn't call someone following the rules a cheat. It rubs people the wrong way. Just say it is example of why it should change. Words matter when you are trying to convince people.
Most (if not all) track league meets have a prelim. Sure Combe didn’t have any great performances recently but if it’s a prelim meet then I doubt she doesn’t move on- could be the case she was just holding back.
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