I quickly checked in the tiktok feed not too long ago and Nedd was running slowly with another dude.
I scribbled down the numbers on the live feed to check how he was travelling.
The clock on the top right was approaching 198 hours. It was no more than 5 minutes before the hour ticking over, so I rounded up. The distance on the screen showed 1104km. I wrote the numbers down, they're on an envelope beside me.
If we were both looking at the feed within a few minutes of each other, then it appears they've added two master lap totals to the score at the same time.
OK, I checked the Barefoot Sports Timing site this morning and the master "lap" times are evenly enough spaced.
As has been noted by others, it's a crazy system when the actual laps of the track and their times do not appear to be individually counted or their times recorded.
It's appears totally open to human error, especially when runner and crew members are exhausted. I don't know what contingency plans are in place to ensure each master is made up of 30 laps of the track and how it can be reliably checked in real time, or how individual lap times can be audited later to pick up miscounts.
Ultimately, it is unlikely to matter that much. It's not going to officially ranked result, much in the same way runners like Standeven or Mansell who finished the Westfield on courses longer than 1000km in under 144 hours aren't included near the top of 6 Day listings.
The timing site also states the starting time as 1600. I'm pretty sure Nedd started running early, at 1530. If I'm right, the Time of Day stats are all out by 30 minutes. I don't understand why all the smoke and mirrors for timing the laps. It literally couldn't have been any easier.
It's not just about Nedd, it's about influencers and groupies using running as their platform.
This is the Nedd Brockmann discussion thread…….
noted, I'll chill on WG, but remember, this rapidly growing thread is due to a runfluencer spouting utter b/s to get untold riches and glory from the sport that he hasn't earned, so it's only natural for him to be compared to others of his ilk. It all fits into what is a complex and fascinating jigsaw.
Yet again they haven't updated the master lap. For presentation and care over data, I can't recall a worse system. Total sloppiness and confusion all round, and definitely his performance and lap times secondary to the human aspect and drama.
It's a one person race, with an update every 1hr40, and yet they simply can't be arsed to update.
And his Strava is unintelligible and totally pointless, denoting little, if anything of worth.
I'm looking at the Barefoot Timing site. I'm not 100% sure how the timing and master laps are organised, though you can see some of his extended rest breaks on the Lap Times graph at the bottom of the page, with the big spikes at 13 laps and 26 laps when he had time off the track after hitting each 100 miles on the first two days.
Time off the track is either recorded in an unusually long master lap (eg 12 hrs 21 min for master lap 70, bring up 899km) or recorded in an extended "transition time" (6 hrs 44 min for master lap 44). Breaks recorded as transition times are not shown in Lap T ime graph.
I'm not exactly sure where the timing mats are set up to produce these results. Possibly near the finish line and outside of lane 8 if master laps start and finish with 2 laps of lane 8. Do I have this correct? Master lap starts and finishes in lane 8?
If that's correct, Nedd has to run 4 consecutive laps in lane 8 as he finishes one master lap and starts another.
As a request for us non tiktok followers, can those who are just post Aussie time and distance when they post? I like the new Instagram post. Raised a chuckle or two. 😊
Didn’t you know that no one is permitted to run without first consulting LetsRun: The International Federation of Running and its Supreme Leader, Will Cockerell?
noted, I'll chill on WG, but remember, this rapidly growing thread is due to a runfluencer spouting utter b/s to get untold riches and glory from the sport that he hasn't earned, so it's only natural for him to be compared to others of his ilk. It all fits into what is a complex and fascinating jigsaw.
I'll post WGs result, but no progress checks.
Will, I agree with you that Nedd's 1000 mile run and run across Australia raise questions, but I don't get why you are so invested in it, I have a look at this thread, and laugh at the stupidity of the comments on tiktok, but at the end of the day, I don't really care about what Nedd or any other ultra runner claims they can do.
Flying to the US because Goodge was probably cheating is stupid, why would anyone care so much?
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AI generated just a simple prompt “difference between running and other sports” … notice the last paragraph , nedd has showed all of those traits so your sacred sport he hasn’t “earnt” is all a load of bulls**t, and if this is what real runners and the community are like How sad, couldn’t think of anything worse than to be involved in a community that critiques a guy that’s having a go , has ran over 1000 miles, use should all hang your head.
Could we not also argue Will that you have used the sport to make money and fame through your books? I haven’t read your book but even if you include one of your own marathons in your top 50, that is still only 2% of your own effort for the rewards. At least Nedd is giving all 100% for his future successes.
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Everyone loves someone having a go. If that’s what you’re doing then just say it. If he’d said “I’m running 10 days for charity” everyone could get behind it. He sold it as a statistically average runner smashing a world record, and is using it for personal gain. Huge difference.
If this is being sold to people as a world record attempt then he’s dishonest and cheating and people will rightly call that out quick. Just call it what it is.
Lance Armstrong donated more to charity than Nedd or basically anyone else could dream of. How you get there matters, especially when you’re personally standing to gain a lot.
The real false analogy is comparing Nedd to someone who lied about having cancer to earn money from an app, then never donated money to charity from the app earnings as promised.
...and gained publicity then made money from a book. The charity is just the carrot dummies
What is odd is that despite there being a professional timing company involved that Strava data isn't update more often? Surely someone can do this daily, it's not rocket science. I won't be hiring this company for one of my next races...
This is what I said before. This timing company gives live data from trail runs or canoeing where there is no sim cell phone coverage. They are supposedly tracking laps with antennae and RFID chips, but cannot update it after each lap. The master lap update is only done on strava (I'm told) and the Tiktok feed , not their website, and is most likely done after being told by crew that he has done one
I quickly checked in the tiktok feed not too long ago and Nedd was running slowly with another dude.
I scribbled down the numbers on the live feed to check how he was travelling.
The clock on the top right was approaching 198 hours. It was no more than 5 minutes before the hour ticking over, so I rounded up. The distance on the screen showed 1104km. I wrote the numbers down, they're on an envelope beside me.
If we were both looking at the feed within a few minutes of each other, then it appears they've added two master lap totals to the score at the same time.
This question needs answering...
I saw what 'washed up ' saw around same time, 1104km, somewhere between 10:45 and 10:55 before bed
Competitive running is often viewed differently than other sports due to its emphasis on physical endurance and speed over technical skill or strategy. Here are a few reasons for this perception:
It is possible to rally and make a bit of a comeback after a bad day. For examole people often have their worst day on Day 2 after a big Day 1 with fresh legs, and then improve again on Day 3 after a lighter Day 2.
However, influencers on their adventure runs - when nobody is watching - have taken this to new heights. They often crash and burn big time, but then make miraculous Rocky style comebacks.
And after having very erratic stats in the first period they then suddenly find an amazing superhuman level of consistency that elite, world class multiday runners never quite manage to the same degree. And that's a large part of the reason why people don't trust them. Then there's the fact that they are suddenly running faster with a lower heart rate than normal.
There are signs of this pattern of behaviour on Nedd's trans aussie run.
Regarding this run, he is definitely showing an amazing power to recover from the dead, not just once, but over and over. I'm not quite sure if he has better powers of recorvery than world class multiday runners, as the elite don't normally have days as bad as 80k. But he should definitely be asked about the medical treatment that he has been receiving during the event. It's very possible that he's receiving treatment of a higher level than you would normally get in a multiday race.
On the subject of Rocky style comebacks, this is Goodge at Jogle.
kms, pace & heart rate:
99 7.28 139 91 8.30 124 It is already clear here that he's in deep trouble. 75 9.47 99 Ok, that's a collapse. HR is a bit whiffy 54 11.05 88 Heart down in the low 60s for a lot of the day. This guy is toast.
For the next 11 days he then outperformed women's WR holder Carla Molinaro quite easily and was often out-running the men's WR holder Dan Lawson.
84 9.16 105 A fantastic recovery and that 105HR is patented and trademarked by RB&WG. Balenger locked to his side throughout all this.
78 9.16 108 Bizarre to come in at the same pace, to the second 80 9.04 107 Heart often down in the 80s
But he's just getting warmed up. This is Day 10, suddenly he's in sub 8 land!
90 7:58 112
Or day 14, through 1,678m of elevation through Somerset, he calmly notches up a ton, off a heart rate of 109, as a novice:
100 8:55 109
His heart never rose above 126 all day, for what, if true, is an absolutely cracking day's multidaying.
People's hearts simply don't stay that low for such a tough run. They often go into the 150 and 160s. A very similar run by WG was his Cali 100. He quit at 97k and his pace was 9.20, so a little slower than this.
Did his heart ever rise above 126? Yes, it was never below in the first half, and often in the 160s, and averaging 123, despite basically walking the last 30 miles.
These influencers need to be watched like a hawk. They're trying to grab all the equity, value and glory from the sport for themselves, and leave the proper, honest, hard-working, real runners to fight over scraps.
Their modus operandi is two-fold, and often both: to spout utter b/s in the run up to their challenges, and then to cheat during them.
But this page, and the one on Goodg's Transcon shows how the community aren't taking it lying down, despite the horrendous and graphic abuse the likes of me take from Sneakers and his foot soldiers.
And their only defence? We don't know how to read data.
Sure, but you can literally sit all day and watch nedd run on the live stream and count the laps yourself will…. Hell of a lot cheaper than flying to the US champ.
And the reality is you have because you’ve spent most of the last week on the livestream...
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Everyone loves someone having a go. If that’s what you’re doing then just say it. If he’d said “I’m running 10 days for charity” everyone could get behind it. He sold it as a statistically average runner smashing a world record, and is using it for personal gain. Huge difference.
If this is being sold to people as a world record attempt then he’s dishonest and cheating and people will rightly call that out quick. Just call it what it is.
Lance Armstrong donated more to charity than Nedd or basically anyone else could dream of. How you get there matters, especially when you’re personally standing to gain a lot.
....but but but, Lance didn't lie about cancer, he only lied about drugs
Hilarious how the cultists try to squirm out of the lies.
Let me say it again, as I was the one to bring it up, and my skin is thick. Belle Gibson lied about x, said it was for charity and made money from the fame. Nedd lied about his intentions and goal (face it) and will make money from fame....lots.
Lance lied, Belle lied, Nedd lied ...and probably still with the lapsd until they provde proof of the lap reads.
Time off the track is either recorded in an unusually long master lap (eg 12 hrs 21 min for master lap 70, bring up 899km) or recorded in an extended "transition time" (6 hrs 44 min for master lap 44). Breaks recorded as transition times are not shown in Lap T ime graph.
I'm not exactly sure where the timing mats are set up to produce these results. Possibly near the finish line and outside of lane 8 if master laps start and finish with 2 laps of lane 8. Do I have this correct? Master lap starts and finishes in lane 8?
If that's correct, Nedd has to run 4 consecutive laps in lane 8 as he finishes one master lap and starts another.
It appears to be across the lanes near finish. If it is actuallyt activated, then there is no way of discriminating between lanes. The only way to do that would be to have separate decoders for each lane and the mats in those lanes separated by longitudinal distance on the track (staggerred like a 400/800m start).
The lap reads can immedidiately (live) be converted to add the distance of that particular lap at that recorded time, dead easy. The raw data on PC would indicate which decoder read that time, and which chip (if they are separately coded), or whether manually edited. Why would they only update after Master Lap if they have the lap data too...answer , they don't have any data.
Even for a bloke running a marathon in a suit, claiming a WR, I had to provide the actual screenshots of the raw data and the raw data file , so that Guiness WR accepted it. No one said , "but back in the day someone ran in a suit and they had a Casio"
Provide the data,,,, give it to that Sneakers bloke who says he is good at those stuff...I don't have time for 4000 data reads of rubbish.