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2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:12pm EDT

re: Read the indictment

Read the indictment wrote:
One thing that has yet to be touched on is this fact:
Sydney Powel, John Eastman and to a lesser extent Rudy Guiliani are absolute nobodies.They have no place in electoral laws whatsoever. They are entirely crack pots that Trumps true legal team was scared to death to have around Trump. They almost came to fisticuffs because the normies wanted them away from Trump to protect him from the pure BS that Trump was hearing! His damn AG Bill Barr quit over it.
If I have 5 bankers telling me my account is overdrawn yet seek opinions of some Randos to tell me it isn’t, I can’t claim that I did not knowingly pass a bad check because I chose the Randis viewpoint. If the bank told me I was overdrawn I knowingly passed a bad check.
simple stuff. Right wingers love Trump so much they believe anything

Wouldn’t say we love Trump, doubt any here have met the icon. we love America and what Trump stands against. you narcissists overplayed your hand. a slap in our face is boomeranging into a kick in your *ss.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:17pm EDT

re: MelRnr

MelRnr wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
They weren't "fake electors" they were electors who disagreed with the outcome.
Electors who weren't actually elected are fake electors.
Voters in each state elected the true electors. Any others claiming to be are fake electors.
It's not a matter of opinion.

And what Trump and his cronies tried to do is pretty blatantly illegal as per the electoral count act which (research the election of 1876 to find out why). The governor of a state has the final say as to who are the legitimate electors (in a very regulated process not giving then much discretion mind you, designed exactly to prevent partisan funny business), no one else.

This is what pisses me off the most about all of this. Nothing Trump did is entirely without precedent. Fake electors hasn't been a problem in our lifetimes because we fixed the problem in the 19th century. The whole Ber Hall Putsche vibe of 1/6 is rather obviously intentional as is pretty much every aspect of his shtick. Does this german word sound familiar: Lügenpresse? Guess who came up with it...

He only got away with this becuae society intentionally pulled wool over their eyes. Stop being stupid.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:17pm EDT

re: Noyankee

Noyankee wrote:
what Trump stands against

He doesn't stand against anything. He just spews hatred and enjoys applause so he can grift, golf, and say there will be a plan in two weeks.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:19pm EDT

re: MelRnr

MelRnr wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
They weren't "fake electors" they were electors who disagreed with the outcome.
Electors who weren't actually elected are fake electors.
Voters in each state elected the true electors. Any others claiming to be are fake electors.
It's not a matter of opinion.

Democrats tried to subvert the vote in 2016.

theatlantic.com

Meet the 'Hamilton Electors' Campaigning for an Electoral College Revolt

Lilly O'Donnell

The presidential election officially ends in December once the members vote. Two want to convince their colleagues to withhold the White House from Donald Trump.

Link:www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2...

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:21pm EDT

re: not thrice indicted

not thrice indicted wrote:
Noyankee wrote:
what Trump stands against
He doesn't stand against anything. He just spews hatred and enjoys applause so he can grift, golf, and say there will be a plan in two weeks.

What you fools don’t understand, and I have read the indictment, is that the Prosecutor could actually get indicted for doctoring and editing what Trump actually said and then using that to put a hood American in prison. this thing is faaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrr from over. Commies (ex dems) are a lot of things but smart ain’t one of ‘em

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:24pm EDT

re: Kenyans FTW

Pattern of Behavior:

Those who honestly think Trump thought he won the election, do you think when Trump claimed Ted Cruz only won the primary against him because Cruz cheated and that Trump actually thought he won?

Did you believe him when he claimed Ted Cruz cheated and that's why Cruz won?

Do you see a pattern here? Whenever Trump loses an election he claims the winner cheated.

That pattern is rather hard to deny.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:25pm EDT

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
MelRnr wrote:
Electors who weren't actually elected are fake electors.
Voters in each state elected the true electors. Any others claiming to be are fake electors.
It's not a matter of opinion.
Democrats tried to subvert the vote in 2016.
Link:www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2...

Faithless electors is a different problem entirely to the Trump fake elector scheme. Also let's not pretend like the outcome of the electoral college in 2016 is something to be celebrated, especially in lieu of how things ultimately transpired with the man who lost the popular vote as president....

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:26pm EDT

re: Commode flusher

Commode flusher wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
That's a really, really good point. And one that I think is too often overlooked.
How the heck can we expect the average person to not try to overturn election results. To not ask election officials to find him 11,780 votes? To not demand that the VP throw out the votes of duly appointed electors? It is just too much to ask.
#witchhunt
No, no, no. I think his point is that if you do more than like 5-6 pages worth of criminal stuff, then they can't charge you because it just gets too complicated for the average person to figure out. Anything over ten pages of criminal stuff is tyranny.

It doesn't take 47 pages to describe how something is a crime. You only write 47 pages when you're inventing an entirely new legal theory, and first-world countries don't invent new legal theories for the sole purpose of jailing their political opponents.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:30pm EDT

re: jonesy22

jonesy22 wrote:
If Trump is indicted for lying about election results, don't we have to charge Biden similarly for lying that Hunter laptop is Russian disinfo.

The answer to that is a resounding yes. As soon as there is a Republican US attourney general, this will happen. Some lawyer could easily write up a new 5-pager on how Biden defrauded the United States of America. And while I'll still oppose the principle of this course of action, all those who are complicit in this indictment will not have a leg to stand on so there's nothing they can do to stop it.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:35pm EDT

re: Kenyans FTW

Kenyans FTW wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Democrats tried to subvert the vote in 2016.
Link:www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2...
Faithless electors is a different problem entirely to the Trump fake elector scheme.

Yeah man that sounds totally (D)ifferent

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:35pm EDT

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
i dont understand words wrote:
No you didn't. I asked was Trump conscious of his actions or is he mentally incompetent? You didn't answer that question.
He was conscious of his actions and none of them were illegal.

That hasn't been determined

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:35pm EDT

re: Kokinho

Kokinho wrote:
Commode flusher wrote:
No, no, no. I think his point is that if you do more than like 5-6 pages worth of criminal stuff, then they can't charge you because it just gets too complicated for the average person to figure out. Anything over ten pages of criminal stuff is tyranny.
It doesn't take 47 pages to describe how something is a crime. You only write 47 pages when you're inventing an entirely new legal theory, and first-world countries don't invent new legal theories for the sole purpose of jailing their political opponents.

The internet was a mistake

Well that, and defunding education

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:37pm EDT

re: Noyankee

Noyankee wrote:
i dont understand words wrote:
You didn't answer a very simple question.
Looks like atypical double edged question a communist would ask. of course trump thought the election was rigged, as well as tens of millions of others and still do. that’s not a crime bozo. thoughts are not crimes in our World. only yours. you can go ahead and believe the bribe taking President who can’t get 10 people to a rally beat out 1 in a quadrillion odds in the dead of night while we are sleeping. that’s your choice. Any normal person would question how that could happen.
the good news is that we get to do it again in 2024. 👍🤜💪👊

Nobody said his thoughts were a crime. He's not been indicted for his thoughts.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:38pm EDT

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
MelRnr wrote:
Electors who weren't actually elected are fake electors.
Voters in each state elected the true electors. Any others claiming to be are fake electors.
It's not a matter of opinion.
Democrats tried to subvert the vote in 2016.
Link:www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2...

Keep trying. It won't work. You can't both sides Trump. You will always fail.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:39pm EDT

re: Kokinho

Kokinho wrote:
Commode flusher wrote:
No, no, no. I think his point is that if you do more than like 5-6 pages worth of criminal stuff, then they can't charge you because it just gets too complicated for the average person to figure out. Anything over ten pages of criminal stuff is tyranny.
It doesn't take 47 pages to describe how something is a crime. You only write 47 pages when you're inventing an entirely new legal theory, and first-world countries don't invent new legal theories for the sole purpose of jailing their political opponents.

How’s that law practice of yours going?

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:39pm EDT

re: Kokinho

Kokinho wrote:
Commode flusher wrote:
No, no, no. I think his point is that if you do more than like 5-6 pages worth of criminal stuff, then they can't charge you because it just gets too complicated for the average person to figure out. Anything over ten pages of criminal stuff is tyranny.
It doesn't take 47 pages to describe how something is a crime. You only write 47 pages when you're inventing an entirely new legal theory, and first-world countries don't invent new legal theories for the sole purpose of jailing their political opponents.

It didn't take 47 pages to describe the crime. It took 47 pages to summarize the mountain of evidence against Trump.

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2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:41pm EDT

re: i dont understand words

i dont understand words wrote:

yes. A speaking indictment. It speaks of Trump as a colossal idiot.

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:42pm EDT

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
MelRnr wrote:
Electors who weren't actually elected are fake electors.
Voters in each state elected the true electors. Any others claiming to be are fake electors.
It's not a matter of opinion.
Democrats tried to subvert the vote in 2016.
Link:www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2...

Look man, that's (D)ifferent. That wasn't a conspiracy. Well technically they did conspire to overthrow an election and defraud people of having their vote counted. But it's (D)ifferent. Trump was worse because (R)easons. Got it?

2 years ago 08/04/2023 12:42pm EDT

re: Kokinho

Kokinho wrote:
Commode flusher wrote:
No, no, no. I think his point is that if you do more than like 5-6 pages worth of criminal stuff, then they can't charge you because it just gets too complicated for the average person to figure out. Anything over ten pages of criminal stuff is tyranny.
It doesn't take 47 pages to describe how something is a crime. You only write 47 pages when you're inventing an entirely new legal theory, and first-world countries don't invent new legal theories for the sole purpose of jailing their political opponents.

Please enlighten us: in your experience what is usual length of a four-count federal indictment?

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