surveysays wrote:
Other Handle on Time Out wrote:
Nah, I'm not. Perhaps you are?
If “silence” is your evidence of “hypocrisy “, then you are indeed confused about its meaning.
Oh, you are confused. Sorry, can't help you, bud.
surveysays wrote:
Other Handle on Time Out wrote:
Nah, I'm not. Perhaps you are?
If “silence” is your evidence of “hypocrisy “, then you are indeed confused about its meaning.
Oh, you are confused. Sorry, can't help you, bud.
gameantenna wrote:
I am honestly laughing at the hypocrisy of so many runners trying to make excuses for Shelby on here. And even professional runners who had so much to say about Salazar(I agree he deserved it). But they need to keep the same energy with the wolves in sheep's clothing hahaha. I have a feeling we'll see more doping tests. And it may come from USA runners who have had some recent PRS when they were struggling in previous years. Only time will tell.
^^^ THIS
Also it struck me as odd they kept saying trace amounts found in her system. But she tested nearly 10 times high than Jarrion Lawson (0.65 vs 5 ng/ml) and he had trouble fighting his case and was banned for 2 years. 1 beef bowl having 0.65 is absolutely believable,but 1 pork burrito having nearly 10 TIMES that is not and why the appeal was denied. The hair sample quote is ridiculous and redundant as noted earlier.
gameantenna wrote:
I mean you agree with though right? I am enjoying all of this right now. Because people are trying to save face for their runner from a "good group" but now it turns out there's some asterisks that should be thrown in there as well. I can't stand when people act differently in public than what goes on behind the scenes.
I completely agree. It's very enjoyable. I liked Shelby. Thought she was a good runner, but alas. Turns out she was a cheater. Sad to see.
With the rise in "accidental" positives these days you'd think Nike/Jerry/BTC would've been all over this stuff obsessively... it's the one way to insta-destroy your career.
Thus Jerry "never having heard of it" makes little sense. It is your job to keep your athletes informed here. Something is fishy.
i kinda feel that a lot of BTC members are supporting her to save face..
other than BTC members no one has really supported her and im glad
cockles wrote:
Anybody secretly hope Centro is next?
At this point you never know what could happen. Especially in the USA. But Centro has always had consistent times and success for a decade now. Shelby skyrocketed in the last 3 to 4 years. I am a huge fan of his but if it turned out he was doping I would keep the same energy with him. But until then we have no evidence. In the meantime I'm gonna cheer for him to make his 3rd olympic team.
joe klecker retweeted this
https://twitter.com/obsali17/status/1404626540219011075?s=21
first pro to “speak out” on the other side albeit not kn his own starement
c7runner7 wrote:
Not Danny Mackey wrote:
Karissa S. also claimed on her IG that they had to look it up as they had never heard of it. Either
a. Athletes and coaches aren't very well educated or
b. Nike is on point with their consistent messaging.
You choose.
I didn’t know what this was and I’m a professional runner who’s read the WADA list a ton of times. I’ve researched how possible positive tests could arise such as ostarine in supplements, synephrine from ‘energy supplements’ clebuterol from tainted meat, corticosteroids in other OTCs and many other stuff. I’m as meticulous and as paranoid as they come. I’ve emailed USADA about obscure, naturally occurring compounds in essential oils that functioned similarly to cannibinoids (CBD is a cannibinoid that is legal but technically any other canninbinoid or any ‘similar’ compound (whatever similar is defined as) technically isn’t legal. USADA responded that they didn’t know what the compound was so they inquired to WADA but to this day I’ve never received an answer.
So with all due respect, STFU and stop making judgements about coaches and athletes. You will not believe the amount of freaking time I spent researching every potential company I buy a supplement from. And how much time I’ve spent worrying about I could possibly have a positive tense from something intentionally. I’ve literally contemplated not even doing this competitively because I don’t want to tarnish my reputation and the job positions I hold. So yeah, I’m a bit of a paranoid, crazy obsessive person when it comes to doping. I had a 4.0 GPA throughout high school and college so I’m objectively intelligent. And I have literally read thousands and thousands of research articles.. and I still don’t know everything.
So again, I’m normally very polite, by STFU and don’t spread your negative opinions about coaches and athletes.
It could be an age thing. Nandrolone was ‘popular’ 20 years ago. Think CJ Hunter/Linford Christie.
Younger runners who haven’t heard of it ? Maybe. But a coach in his early fricken 50’s ? C’mon.
Also, why are you so defensive? It’s an odd response to a perfectly valid question.
We will see just how well the Nike propaganda machine works.
I suspect most US fans will sympathize with Houlihan whereas were she from any other team/country it would be instant condemnation.
2600 bro wrote:
We will see just how well the Nike propaganda machine works.
I suspect most US fans will sympathize with Houlihan whereas were she from any other team/country it would be instant condemnation.
I actually believe the general population who watch track casually won't side with a doper. It's already been covered by many news outlets around the nation. I found out about it on my news app and came here right after and was glad the Brojos gave her the same treatment they gave to salazar. With all these doping tests, we shouldn't be having sympathy for people who failed an appeal.
She sounds guilty as sin. What elite athlete eats a pig organ burrito from a roach coach? Carne asada or shredded pork burrito from a roach coach, maybe, but not a tongue and liver burrito. I hope she retires. Bowerman and Jerry Schumacher look like the biggest hypocrites on the planet.
“Shelby’s positive test was for an exceedingly small amount of a substance that is known from WADA’s own studies”
Bowerman Track Club Statement
Bowerman track club mentioned Brenda martinez in their statement. Brenda Martinez posted her positive test. She tested positive for .1/ngml for a dietetic and the lower threshold set by WADA is 20/ngml. So in essence 200 times less than the lower threshold. I am curious was Shelby’s test was and how it relates to the lower limits set in place by WADA. I think giving us number could really provide some clarity/context to the situation since they are grouping all these athletes together in their statement. I hope they asked for permission from the other athletes before mentioning them in their post.
I am now just waiting for the experts to weigh in.
it's tiring, and I really don't know where I stand.
I whole heartedly agree there is a double standard here. Had it been a Dibaba sister or Ayana we wouldn't be having this debate.
I just keep thinking. What if she's innocent? Can she be innocent with the amount in her system? what if what if what if.
o0hn2 wrote:
I am now just waiting for the experts to weigh in.
it's tiring, and I really don't know where I stand.
I whole heartedly agree there is a double standard here. Had it been a Dibaba sister or Ayana we wouldn't be having this debate.
I just keep thinking. What if she's innocent? Can she be innocent with the amount in her system? what if what if what if.
if sifan had tested positive she would already be called a disgrace the the running community. people have to stop being so blatantly hypocritical
fact-o-man wrote:
“Shelby’s positive test was for an exceedingly small amount of a substance that is known from WADA’s own studies”
Bowerman Track Club Statement
Bowerman track club mentioned Brenda martinez in their statement. Brenda Martinez posted her positive test. She tested positive for .1/ngml for a dietetic and the lower threshold set by WADA is 20/ngml. So in essence 200 times less than the lower threshold. I am curious was Shelby’s test was and how it relates to the lower limits set in place by WADA. I think giving us number could really provide some clarity/context to the situation since they are grouping all these athletes together in their statement. I hope they asked for permission from the other athletes before mentioning them in their post.
Shelby’s test was 5 ng/ml on a 2 ng/ml limit, with normal values between 0.4 ng/ml and 1 ng/ml.
rojo wrote:
I dont like pressers wrote:
This doesn’t sound good. If she got popped the BTC are the biggest frigg’n hypocrites on the planet.
Not necessarily. It depends on what she was popped for and how much of it. Ajee Wilson, Jarrion Lawson, Will Claye have all been popped and cleared. The head of USADA - Travis Tygart - who isn't shy about going after stars has said the testing needs reform given the state of the US foot supply chain.
No NOP athletes ever tested positive....
She’s been fighting it 5 months. Career over.
I need me some uncastrated boar liver and I'm probably not alone.
fxhjb wrote:
What was the amount of nandrolone found? Is it possible that amount could be found in a burrito? I'm sure WADA takes positives pretty seriously (I would guess) and that they looked at the possibility of it being ingested accidentally. Bunch of runners got busted for nandrolone in the 90s - is that something found in beef? Kind of hard to believe she had never heard of it.
Alberto Contador used this defense. Claimed during the tour de France his personal chef drove to the Basque country to get some really good steaks that turned out to be contaminated. However, he tested positive for a relatively small amount of clenbuterol which is actually fed to cattle to keep them lean, so his story at least had some sort of minimal conceptual coherence that made it plausible even without an Armstrong loving mindset, and nonetheless it was, quite properly, laughed out of the barn.
Also at least Alberto had the decency to blame his own country's beef. Houlihan goes straight for it was the Mexicans ... *$°|°$° her.
If she didn't do it, I feel bad for her. If she did it, I still feel bad for her. Not saying you should not punish if she did it, but if you're a runner and you're doing well, and then you see what you're going up against...countries with virtually no doping control, etc., that can't be fun.