"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Harambe wrote:

troll_69 wrote:

That’s like asking the Earth to stop being round. Lies are the antivaxxer’s primary source of nourishment, right after being parasites to society. It is not in their nature to be decent people who give a sh!t to actually learn about what they do arrogantly and embarrassingly talk about.

It's been tragic to see some of the antivaxxers here shift from arguing about reasonable doubt, some possibly healthy skepticism, etc to just making crap up. Rather then adjust their views when all the vaccine data came back overwhelmingly positive -- they've just retreated into fantasy land.

0/10 👎 Once again, spoken like a true foot soldier for the industry. Lol. You're just rearranging deck chairs of the Titanic. Hope there's a raft left for you - you're going to need it!

So you're saying the CDC is financially invested in vaccines because... they buy vaccines and give them out for free to children?

At this point you are just copying and pasting without even reading and, frankly, it's embarrassing.

Why not just admit that vaccines work and then argue about all the other stuff? Your extreme position is making you look very dumb.

Conservative Right-Winger wrote:

Harambe wrote:

It's been tragic to see some of the antivaxxers here shift from arguing about reasonable doubt, some possibly healthy skepticism, etc to just making crap up. Rather then adjust their views when all the vaccine data came back overwhelmingly positive -- they've just retreated into fantasy land.

0/10 👎 Once again, spoken like a true foot soldier for the industry. Lol. You're just rearranging deck chairs of the Titanic. Hope there's a raft left for you - you're going to need it!

At this point you're just saying the same catch phrases over and over like some child's stuffed toy.

Harambe wrote:

joed||rt wrote:

No evidence of vaccine failure against severe disease except:

Average vaccinated patients in hospital in 4 months pre-omicron = 74 (29% of total)

Vaccinated patients in hospital today = 2,286 (70% of total, 31 times 4-month average)

Average vaccinated patients in ICU in 4 months pre-omicron = 20 (21% of total)

Vaccinated patients in ICU today = 252 (55% of total, 12.6 times 4-month average)

In UK, 2-shot vaccine efficacy against hospitalization dropped from 95% to roughly 50% (instead of a 20:1 ratio of hospitalizations per capita, the ratio is now 2:1, a 10-fold reduction in efficiency).

Yeah, get a booster or get vaccinated if you were previously relying on 'natural immunity.' I've been saying this for months.

Efficacy estimated at 85-95% post boost in the UK. Exactly in line with my statements.

Where, exactly, is 'vaccine failure.'

Vaxxed, Boosted and Double Vaxxed Israel. More confirmed COVID cases in January than in all of 2021.

Pandemic of all, reaffirmed.

joed||rt wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Yeah, get a booster or get vaccinated if you were previously relying on 'natural immunity.' I've been saying this for months.

Efficacy estimated at 85-95% post boost in the UK. Exactly in line with my statements.

Where, exactly, is 'vaccine failure.'

Vaxxed, Boosted and Double Vaxxed Israel. More confirmed COVID cases in January than in all of 2021.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/more-covid-cases-confirmed-in-israel-in-january-than-all-of-2021-data-shows/

Pandemic of all, reaffirmed.

Nobody has -ever- argued that vaccination or prior protection is fully protective against mild Omicron infection. Although, hybrid or boosters show ~50-70% efficacy which is not bad.

The vaccine remains extremely protective against severe disease, thus protecting lives and medical capacity. There is no argument against this.

You're just babbling distractions at this point -- ever since your Ontario doomsday predictions fell flat (again, big surprise). This is approaching Bad Wigins level Dunning Kruger.

The omicron wave is fading in NYC with minimal change in vaccine effectiveness against severe disease:

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page#daily

Death is coming:

https://www.skirsch.com/covid/Deaths.pdf

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/covid-panel-military-service-members-see-spikes-miscarriages-cancer

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34696485/

Harambe is a murderer, will be I mean.

Harambe wrote:

joed||rt wrote:

Vaxxed, Boosted and Double Vaxxed Israel. More confirmed COVID cases in January than in all of 2021.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/more-covid-cases-confirmed-in-israel-in-january-than-all-of-2021-data-shows/

Pandemic of all, reaffirmed.

Nobody has -ever- argued that vaccination or prior protection is fully protective against mild Omicron infection. Although, hybrid or boosters show ~50-70% efficacy which is not bad.

The vaccine remains extremely protective against severe disease, thus protecting lives and medical capacity. There is no argument against this.

You're just babbling distractions at this point -- ever since your Ontario doomsday predictions fell flat (again, big surprise). This is approaching Bad Wigins level Dunning Kruger.

Not enough people are dying and it's upsetting joeD

Harambe wrote:

joed||rt wrote:

Vaxxed, Boosted and Double Vaxxed Israel. More confirmed COVID cases in January than in all of 2021.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/more-covid-cases-confirmed-in-israel-in-january-than-all-of-2021-data-shows/

Pandemic of all, reaffirmed.

Nobody has -ever- argued that vaccination or prior protection is fully protective against mild Omicron infection. Although, hybrid or boosters show ~50-70% efficacy which is not bad.

The vaccine remains extremely protective against severe disease, thus protecting lives and medical capacity. There is no argument against this.

You're just babbling distractions at this point -- ever since your Ontario doomsday predictions fell flat (again, big surprise). This is approaching Bad Wigins level Dunning Kruger.

Strawman

2600 bro wrote:

Not enough people are dying and it's upsetting joeD

Lots of people are dying. "Milder" Omicron is setting weekly death records in Australia, Canada, Finland, and other countries all over the globe. And most of the people dying are vaccinated. Here is a breakdown of stats by vaccination status from the UKHSA week 4 surveillance report:

Category Percent Population Percent Cases Percent Hospitalizations Percent Deaths

Unvaccinated 21.31% 27.02% 29.89% 21.20%

Single Vaxxed 5.99% 7.09% 5.15% 4.01%

Double Vaxxed 16.79% 29.95% 24.86% 35.71%

Triple Vaxxed 55.91% 35.94% 40.10% 39.08%

The double jabbed make up 16.79% of the population, but account for 35.71% of deaths and 24.86% of hospitalizations.

The unvaccinated make up 21,31% of the population but account for 21.20% of deaths and 29.89% of hospitalizations.

To say that the unvaccinated are overwhelming our hospitals would simply be untrue. While they make a slightly disproportionate share, the share of the double vaxxed is actually higher relative to their percentage of the population. Most of the people hospitalized (70+%) are vaccinated. It's a pandemic of everyone.

arch17 wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Nobody has -ever- argued that vaccination or prior protection is fully protective against mild Omicron infection. Although, hybrid or boosters show ~50-70% efficacy which is not bad.

The vaccine remains extremely protective against severe disease, thus protecting lives and medical capacity. There is no argument against this.

You're just babbling distractions at this point -- ever since your Ontario doomsday predictions fell flat (again, big surprise). This is approaching Bad Wigins level Dunning Kruger.

Strawman

Vaccines preventing people from dying is a strawman? Explain.

joed||rt wrote:

Here is a breakdown of stats by vaccination status from the UKHSA week 4 surveillance report:

2600 bro wrote:

arch17 wrote:

Strawman

Vaccines preventing people from dying is a strawman? Explain.

There is no evidence they are preventing anything. The "evidence" you provide is is no more trustworthy than evidence that the vaccines are likely causing many problems and death. Admit that you are a fraud and I will agree with you.

Further evidence vaccine performance decreased dramatically due to Omicron:

Hospitalizations increased 145% among 30-39 year old vaccinated individuals between week 4 of 2022 and week 51 of 2021. Among unvaccinated individuals of the same age, hospitalizations declined by 2%

Hospitalizations increased 73% among 40-49 year old vaccinated individuals between week 4 of 2022 and week 51 of 2021. Among unvaccinated individuals of the same age, hospitalizations declined by 33%

Hospitalizations increased 65% among 50-59 year old vaccinated individuals between week 4 of 2022 and week 51 of 2021. Among unvaccinated individuals of the same age, hospitalizations declined by 26%

Hospitalizations increased 83% among 60-69 year old vaccinated individuals between week 4 of 2022 and week 51 of 2021. Among unvaccinated individuals of the same age, hospitalizations declined by 11%

Hospitalizations increased 156% among vaccinated individuals 18+ between week 4 of 2022 and week 51 of 2021. Among unvaccinated individuals of the same age, hospitalizations increased by 3%

joed||rt wrote:

Further evidence vaccine performance decreased dramatically due to Omicron:

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

joed||rt wrote:

Further evidence vaccine performance decreased dramatically due to Omicron:

https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/UK_COVID_Vaccine_Effectiveness._2022_wk4.PNG

Exactly. Vaccine effectiveness of two Pfizer doses went from 95% VE against hospitalization with delta down to 35% with Omicron.

"Two doses of either AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1-S) or Pfizer (BNT162b2) vaccines was associated with a vaccine effectiveness of approximately 25 to 35% against hospitalisation following infection with the Omicron variant, after 25+ weeks."

That means instead of a 20:1 ratio of hospitalizations per capita, there are closer to 3:2 (which is a decline in efficiency of 13X). That is a major decline in effectiveness.

joed||rt wrote:

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/UK_COVID_Vaccine_Effectiveness._2022_wk4.PNG

Exactly. Vaccine effectiveness of two Pfizer doses went from 95% VE against hospitalization with delta down to 35% with Omicron.

"Two doses of either AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1-S) or Pfizer (BNT162b2) vaccines was associated with a vaccine effectiveness of approximately 25 to 35% against hospitalisation following infection with the Omicron variant, after 25+ weeks."

That means instead of a 20:1 ratio of hospitalizations per capita, there are closer to 3:2 (which is a decline in efficiency of 13X). That is a major decline in effectiveness.

The majority of adults in the UK have 3 covid vaccine doses so 75 to 95% effectiveness for those persons.

Triple vaccinated individuals in the UK comprise 55.91% of the population and accounted for 35.9% of cases, 40.1% of hospitalizations and 39.1% of deaths in the week 4 surveillance data. Some protection, but 95% is definitely a stretch.

joed||rt wrote:

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

The majority of adults in the UK have 3 covid vaccine doses so 75 to 95% effectiveness for those persons.

https://tinyurl.com/mwsrmp94

Triple vaccinated individuals in the UK comprise 55.91% of the population and accounted for 35.9% of cases, 40.1% of hospitalizations and 39.1% of deaths in the week 4 surveillance data. Some protection, but 95% is definitely a stretch.

From the UK Week 4 surveillance report you cited: 3 dose vaccine effectiveness in the 0-3 month window is 80-95% and 4-6 months is 75-85%, hence 75 to 95% for triple vaxxed.