agip wrote:
someone put into the mind of a normal trump voter. Tell me what he or she thinks about why he should not be impeached, despite the obstruction, the campaign finance, the emoluments.
Serious question.
No reason. Obstruction. Witness tampering. Rigged is an idiot.
Sally Vix wrote:
The highly respected and highly liberal attorney Laurence Tribe called the Mueller testimony a disaster for Dems. The highly respected moderate Chris Wallace called the Mueller testimony a disaster for Dems. Many other Liberals have said the same thing. The Mueller testimony has been a major fiasco. Mueller was in charge of the investigation in name only. He knows nothing of the report. This is embarrassing for Mueller, for Nadler, for Schiff, for the Dems in the House and for Dems everywhere. And even more embarrassing for the mainstream liberal media which has been following this bogus investigation for two-and-a-half years. Trump IS NOT going to be impeached. This testimony just put the nail in the coffin for that. No conspiracy, no collusion, no obstruction, no NOTHING. A sham investigation. Trump is on to winning re-election.
Absolutely correct, sir! Today is a disaster for the Dems. It will only get worse when the second round Dem debates air.
M-A-G-A!!!
Smorbun wrote:
agip wrote:
someone put into the mind of a normal trump voter. Tell me what he or she thinks about why he should not be impeached, despite the obstruction, the campaign finance, the emoluments.
Serious question.
No reason. Obstruction. Witness tampering. Rigged is an idiot.
Keep telling yourself that. Lunatic, your side is getting destroyed today. Wake up and smell the coffee.
agip wrote:
SCHIFF: “Trump and his campaign welcomed and encouraged Russian interference?”
MUELLER: “Yes.”
SCHIFF: “And then Trump and his campaign lied about it to cover it up?”
MUELLER: “Yes.”
It's easy to shine with softball questions from a TDS infected dem. Mueller has wilted under GOP cross-examination all day long.
Liberalism is a mental disorder. Seek help.
jesseriley wrote:
An honest, dignified witness still plays well for the average person.
The "average person" didn't watch this testimony.
Barr pre-empted those views with his lying "summary" of the report, months ago now.
It’s hard to believe Mueller even read the Mueller Report.
Bueller wrote:
It’s hard to believe Mueller even read the Mueller Report.
I was vilified here for not having read the Mueller report. At least I was honest. I actually did read some of it. The "author" of the Mueller report has probably read less of it than I.
Hey libs, everything CNN & PMSNBC told you was a lie. Mueller is a washed up tool; he is never coming despite what Clownpole has been selling you for months on end. He didn't "run" any investigation. He doesn't even know his own report. Pathetic. His hearing is a disaster.
Trollminator wrote:
agip wrote:
SCHIFF: “Trump and his campaign welcomed and encouraged Russian interference?”
MUELLER: “Yes.”
SCHIFF: “And then Trump and his campaign lied about it to cover it up?”
MUELLER: “Yes.”
What does truth matter when too few even want to hear it? What does truth matter when impeachment is a political process largely reliant on public support for success? Trump is an above the law POTUS, and he’s on because both the masses who voted for him and his party want it. I’ve come to terms with that long ago.
The way our system is right now, the President of the United States, ANY President, is above the law. Normal citizens don't get to not be indicted just because of the job we hold.
It is hopeful that there will be new rules in place following this insanely criminal President who has made new rules a necessity. These rules should include the stated ability to indict a sitting president of crimes. These rules should include a freeze on statute of limitations as soon as a person becomes President though the former might eliminate the need for the latter.
While Trump is currently above the law at least with regard to delaying justice, I still believe he will face the music. He will go to prison...unless he dies first or there is criminal or space aliens behavior that prevents it.
Let's put the Mueller investigation to rest. A nothingburger. It was a sham investigation and in the end Trump's culpability was proved to be non-existent. Dems- take off your panties and put on your big-boy pants. Get a good candidate and we will see who will win in 2020. Warren won't win. Sanders won't win. Harris won't win. Get a good candidate and you might have a chance. Otherwise, Trump will be here til 2025. Cheers!
Sally Vix wrote:
Bueller wrote:
It’s hard to believe Mueller even read the Mueller Report.
I was vilified here for not having read the Mueller report. At least I was honest. I actually did read some of it. The "author" of the Mueller report has probably read less of it than I.
Please tell us more, Dumb Dumb.
Flagpole wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
What does truth matter when too few even want to hear it? What does truth matter when impeachment is a political process largely reliant on public support for success? Trump is an above the law POTUS, and he’s on because both the masses who voted for him and his party want it. I’ve come to terms with that long ago.
The way our system is right now, the President of the United States, ANY President, is above the law. Normal citizens don't get to not be indicted just because of the job we hold.
And yet in the real world, rich and powerful people get away with pretty much whatever they want. That's reality. It's not fair, and it sucks, but that's how it is.
I don't know how anyone watched the testimony today and could possibly conclude that it will change anything at all. Nothing new was said. Republicans wanted to discredit Mueller and failed. Democrats wanted more ammo to build an impeachment campaign and didn't get it.
Sally Vix wrote:
Bueller wrote:
It’s hard to believe Mueller even read the Mueller Report.
I was vilified here for not having read the Mueller report. At least I was honest. I actually did read some of it. The "author" of the Mueller report has probably read less of it than I.
That would be Bill Barr who redacted (rewrote) the report. That was the point Mueller was making; indirectly to not anger Barr and Trump.
Sally Vix wrote:
Let's put the...
The above is a far as anyone needs to read Sally's post. Entirely worthless attempt at redirection after Trump's total loss today.
If the parties were reversed, the Republicans would have impeached months ago and sold it much better to the public.
The Democrats are very timid on this.
This hearing should have happened right after the report, not months later.
that would be Wm. Barr wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
I was vilified here for not having read the Mueller report. At least I was honest. I actually did read some of it. The "author" of the Mueller report has probably read less of it than I.
That would be Bill Barr who redacted (rewrote) the report. That was the point Mueller was making; indirectly to not anger Barr and Trump.
Mueller never wrote anything in the report. He is an aging person who served as the figurehead of the report. His aides did everything concerning the report. Mueller never should have been out there answering to questions about the report when he never wrote anything in the report. It was an accident waiting to happen.
Gordon Frank wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
I was vilified here for not having read the Mueller report. At least I was honest. I actually did read some of it. The "author" of the Mueller report has probably read less of it than I.
Please tell us more, Dumb Dumb.
Sally made a pitifully weak attempt to divert from Mueller because Trump is criminal, and will be jailed, after he is kicked from office in Jan 2021 by voters. The only thing saving Trump for the time being is the criminal Barr and his vast overreach about what a "sitting" president can be indicted for.
Star wrote:
If the parties were reversed, the Republicans would have impeached months ago and sold it much better to the public.
The Democrats are very timid on this.
This hearing should have happened right after the report, not months later.
it's true - the Dems are really bad at hardball politics.
Sometimes I feel that if there were just one or two large size midwestern democrats who could bellow angrily right along with the Rs, the entire political situation would improve. That such a person could shout the truth from the rooftops effectively and rouse the Dems.
Instead we have a bunch of academics and middle brow lawyers who are more interested in policy and doing good...than playing the game of politics.
Sally Vix wrote:
Let's put the Mueller investigation to rest. A nothingburger. It was a sham investigation and in the end Trump's culpability was proved to be non-existent. Dems- take off your panties and put on your big-boy pants. Get a good candidate and we will see who will win in 2020. Warren won't win. Sanders won't win. Harris won't win. Get a good candidate and you might have a chance. Otherwise, Trump will be here til 2025. Cheers!
Yep, the dems may end up with Creepy Uncle Joe as the nominee. He is the dems ONLY shot which in reality means he has No shot to win.. Joe is Hillary ver2. No energy, too old, too tired and a terrible campaigner.
KAG2020
Racket wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
The way our system is right now, the President of the United States, ANY President, is above the law. Normal citizens don't get to not be indicted just because of the job we hold.
And yet in the real world, rich and powerful people get away with pretty much whatever they want. That's reality. It's not fair, and it sucks, but that's how it is.
I don't know how anyone watched the testimony today and could possibly conclude that it will change anything at all. Nothing new was said. Republicans wanted to discredit Mueller and failed. Democrats wanted more ammo to build an impeachment campaign and didn't get it.
I think that's a fair assessment.
The question now is when/if an impeachment inquiry will begin.
