"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

trashcan wrote:

Here is a table breaking down various risks in relation to age and vaccine status

See page 37

Thank you for this information about the United Kingdom.

In the rush to get shots in arms, a lot of paperwork was not updated (similar to here) because the system was understaffed for the volume of cases they were seeing and they did things like mobile sites and drive through vaccinations where delivering shots was the primary objective. So, a lot of people got shots, but their vaccination status never made it into the official database. The unknown are simply people who are in the hospital that had a jab that wasn’t updated in their chart. In Israel they count these as unverified vaccinations. In the US they count these as unvaccinated. In the UK and Canada they count them as unlinked. As a result, unvaccinated numbers look far worse in the US and vaccine efficiency looks much higher.

joed|rty wrote:

The [Canadian] unknown are simply people who are in the hospital that had a jab that wasn’t updated in their chart.

How do you know this? Not arguing, just looking for info: Seems to me that the category could include unvaccinated as well, so what's the tipoff that all the "unkown" were vaccinated?

trashcan wrote:

trashcan wrote:

Here is a table breaking down various risks in relation to age and vaccine status

See page 37

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1049160/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-3-2022.pdf

Table 12 on page 38 shows that between Dec.26 and Jan. The over 80 group with three doses had hospitalization rates of 85.5/100,000 compared to 17/100,000 for the 18-29 unvaccinated group (the under 18 group has lower rates so the comparison is unaffected). The deaths in the three dosed 80+ group had 39.2/100,000 compared to .6/100,000.

Harambe concludes that 80+ with three doses are better protected than unvacinnated people ages 12-29 in Alberta. This shows that to be likely false with the latest data from the UK (18-29 vs 12-29 is a fair comparison in this case) . The chart from the Alberta data did not reflect the raw numbers they provided and is was so far from these numbers that one might question their accuracy. Harambe did not. I think there is some saying about thinking before you retweet.

Harambe is a comic that’s why. There is no real data to support the junk science he spews. Fauci could very well be a double agent. If he can speak Mandarin then that would conclude it. Forget vaccines, masks are complete junk science yet our supposed top doctor wants to mandate them for children? Harambe just makes us realize what media is capable of.

kibitzer wrote:

joed|rty wrote:

The [Canadian] unknown are simply people who are in the hospital that had a jab that wasn’t updated in their chart.

How do you know this? Not arguing, just looking for info: Seems to me that the category could include unvaccinated as well, so what's the tipoff that all the "unkown" were vaccinated?

Simple. If they know someone isn’t vaccinated, they enter them as unvaccinated. The only reason they get entered as unlinked is they claim to be vaccinated, but they cannot positively establish this in their health record.

But he'll never give up the retarded ship on which he sails.

joed|rty wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

How do you know this? Not arguing, just looking for info: Seems to me that the category could include unvaccinated as well, so what's the tipoff that all the "unkown" were vaccinated?

Simple. If they know someone isn’t vaccinated, they enter them as unvaccinated. The only reason they get entered as unlinked is they claim to be vaccinated, but they cannot positively establish this in their health record.

Is that described in the documentation somewhere or is that your supposition? I can imagine other reasons why people would be listed as undetermined.

pointer outer wrote:

Harambe concludes that 80+ with three doses are better protected than unvacinnated people ages 12-29 in Alberta. This shows that to be likely false with the latest data from the UK (18-29 vs 12-29 is a fair comparison in this case) . The chart from the Alberta data did not reflect the raw numbers they provided and is was so far from these numbers that one might question their accuracy. Harambe did not. I think there is some saying about thinking before you retweet.

Updated Alberta data DESTROYS my argument.

Unvaccinated 12-29 year olds are being hospitizations at the staggering rate of 5/100,000 people LESS than boosted 80+ year olds (228 vs 233). Vaccine efficacy in shambles lol

pointer outer wrote:

Table 12 on page 38 shows that between Dec.26 and Jan. The over 80 group with three doses had hospitalization rates of 85.5/100,000 compared to 17/100,000 for the 18-29 unvaccinated group (the under 18 group has lower rates so the comparison is unaffected). The deaths in the three dosed 80+ group had 39.2/100,000 compared to .6/100,000.

Harambe concludes that 80+ with three doses are better protected than unvacinnated people ages 12-29 in Alberta. This shows that to be likely false with the latest data from the UK (18-29 vs 12-29 is a fair comparison in this case) . The chart from the Alberta data did not reflect the raw numbers they provided and is was so far from these numbers that one might question their accuracy. Harambe did not. I think there is some saying about thinking before you retweet.

Also lol, two areas report different numbers, therefore one must be flawed and wrong?

Booster administration timelines, trajectory of the pandemic, societal differences between UK and Alberta, etc can all affect hospitalization rates.

In any case, the fact that I am now wasting all the antivaxxers time on the argument that the youngest healthiest adults are less protected when unvaxxed than 80+ year olds with boosters shows the efficacy of the vaccines.

Fellas, is it, 'vaccine failure' if 85 year olds are hospitalized less than 25 year olds?

Feel free to continue arguing :)

Pandemic of the unvaccinated: CONFIRMED

316 pages. Dozens of apoplectic antivaxxers. Not a single refutation of my famous line. It's good to be king.

Harambe wrote:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/switzerland-covid-19-weekly-death-rate-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages

Pandemic of the unvaccinated: CONFIRMED

316 pages. Dozens of apoplectic antivaxxers. Not a single refutation of my famous line. It's good to be king.

Antivaxxers go home DEVASTATED!

Harambe wrote:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/switzerland-covid-19-weekly-death-rate-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages

Pandemic of the unvaccinated: CONFIRMED

316 pages. Dozens of apoplectic antivaxxers. Not a single refutation of my famous line. It's good to be king.

The Alberta data is not consistent with itself.

The UK data does not agree with you.

The Switzerland data you just posted does not agree with you.

From the link you just posted.

Death rates per 100,000 (you linked death rates here)

The triple vaxxed 80+ group

80+ 2021-11-06 0

80+ 2021-11-13 11.7006961914234

80+ 2021-11-20 0

80+ 2021-11-27 2.04596603696379

80+ 2021-12-04 7.62387607389442

80+ 2021-12-11 5.44840361774

80+ 2021-12-18 3.40485805146783

80+ 2021-12-25 4.84064593579367

80+ 2022-01-01 3.76834714013855

80+ 2022-01-08 0.909965027010795

The Unvaxxed under 29 group during that same period?

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pointer outer wrote:

The Alberta data is not consistent with itself.

The UK data does not agree with you.

The Switzerland data you just posted does not agree with you.

From the link you just posted.

Death rates per 100,000 (you linked death rates here)

The triple vaxxed 80+ group

80+ 2021-11-06 0

80+ 2021-11-13 11.7006961914234

80+ 2021-11-20 0

80+ 2021-11-27 2.04596603696379

80+ 2021-12-04 7.62387607389442

80+ 2021-12-11 5.44840361774

80+ 2021-12-18 3.40485805146783

80+ 2021-12-25 4.84064593579367

80+ 2022-01-01 3.76834714013855

80+ 2022-01-08 0.909965027010795

The Unvaxxed under 29 group during that same period?

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I wasn't talking about death rates in Alberta. Please try to stay on topic. The remarkable hospitalization comparison between unvaxxed young people and 80+ boosted people is understandably triggering to you antivaxxers, but try not to succumb to rage-induced babbling like the quoted post above.

The Switzerland data is additional evidence to the incredible power of vaccines in preventing COVID mortality. How many more data points do you all need? I assume the Swiss data is also misinformation lol?

Here is data from Israel.

https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general?utm_source=go.gov.il&utm_medium=referral

They have three vaccination categories: unvaccinated, vaccinated and vaccinated without validity. These are the same three categories as the UK and Canada, except those vaccinations they cannot validate are thrown into the unlinked category.

The reference in the UK data reads: Individuals whose NHS numbers were unavailable to link to the NIMS (National Immunization System of Record).

Harambe was not talking about death rates in Alberta and completely ignored them apparently. The 80+ group with three doses has nearly 10 times the death rate as unvaccinated under 29 group. The comparison is disingenuous.

Just ask any big pharma accountant if this is really about our health. LOL

joed|rty wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

How do you know this? Not arguing, just looking for info: Seems to me that the category could include unvaccinated as well, so what's the tipoff that all the "unkown" were vaccinated?

Simple. If they know someone isn’t vaccinated, they enter them as unvaccinated. The only reason they get entered as unlinked is they claim to be vaccinated, but they cannot positively establish this in their health record.

You haven't answered the question.

How do you know this?