Robert Young fakes run across America

Maker_of_Website wrote:

And I don't claim it to be all my work. If anything, only the observation about the thumbnail, and the planned route discussion, are marginally novel, but its mostly just meant to summarize all the hard work done here.

Thanks.

Also, the fellas are just having a bit of fun (and I've been dying to post this) 'down in their moms basement'. Ahh, I feel like an ultra person on the LR forum now, not sure if that is such a good thing though.

Lydia Romero wrote:

IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR ROBERT YOUNG AND DUSTIN BROOKS

Boys, time to come clean sooner rather than later on everything (and I mean everything, past and present) as it appears this and your past is going to get released to those bulldogs known as the UK tabloid media. They will be like a bulldog at a bone and tear you to pieces and this sort of thing will be mild in comparison:

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/12/30/philadelphia-biggest-losers/

I hope you take this advice in the spirit in which it is intended. Good luck to you both as I think you're going to need it if you hold out too long.

IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR ROBERT YOUNG AND DUSTIN BROOKS

Not going to happen. These fools would rather think one person on the planet believe in them than admit what they know they are guilty of. Mike Rossi and Robert Young are Brothers in Cheat.

Maker_of_Website wrote:

I made a post about RY's desert day. I'm not sure I've read every single post here, but AFAIK this is the most concrete cheating data for the transcon.

I need to get a life now, but if Blogger allows access for others to post or someone else wants to help make this a hub for analyses, contact me. That google doc y'all made is great though. Just though this could be a nice format to link off to if people are contacting media, etc etc.

http://ryinvestigation.blogspot.com

No offense, but I'd be more inclined to read the whole thing if I could make it past the first sentence without a grammatical error. Just my 2 cents.

poor you wrote:

TypicalLRCer wrote:

Don't waiver, Bob; don't let these depressed, off meds, millennial basement recluse LRC keyboard cowboys get you off point.

Why do you spend so much time on a message board you hate?

Is it whining that gives your life meaning?

Definition of a masochist:

An ultra geezer who comes on to the LetsRun forum and is gratified by pain, degradation, etc., that is self-imposed or imposed by others.

Bob Hearn wrote:

Maker_of_Website wrote:

I made a post about RY's desert day. I'm not sure I've read every single post here, but AFAIK this is the most concrete cheating data for the transcon.

I need to get a life now, but if Blogger allows access for others to post or someone else wants to help make this a hub for analyses, contact me. That google doc y'all made is great though. Just though this could be a nice format to link off to if people are contacting media, etc etc.

http://ryinvestigation.blogspot.com

No offense, but I'd be more inclined to read the whole thing if I could make it past the first sentence without a grammatical error. Just my 2 cents.

Just your "2 cents' and you injecting "a bit of hopefully useful perspective here and there.".

Time for your nana nap then see if you can come back with something really "useful".

Important data, especially about the Thames Meander Marathon. Look at it this way arranged by date and also notice his mediocre Parkrun 5K times did not improve miraculously from before he became a marathoner on April 14 for the rest of the year. The 5K times did gradually improve but with no extraordinary jumps.

(Power10 data below is edited for the Thames Meander result based on the website. )

parkrun 22:24 2 1 Old Deer Park Old Deer Park parkrun # 158 4 Jan 14

parkrun 21:00 2 1 Old Deer Park Old Deer Park parkrun # 159 11 Jan 14

parkrun 21:06 4 Old Deer Park Old Deer Park parkrun # 160 18 Jan 14

parkrun 22:10 8 Old Deer Park Old Deer Park parkrun # 161 25 Jan 14

parkrun 21:34 8 1 Old Deer Park Old Deer Park parkrun # 162 1 Feb 14

parkrun 21:23 2 1 Old Deer Park Old Deer Park parkrun # 163 8 Feb 14

parkrun 21:23 3 1 Old Deer Park Old Deer Park parkrun # 164 15 Feb 14

parkrun 21:29 6 1 Old Deer Park Old Deer Park parkrun # 166 1 Mar 14

parkrun 22:35 69 Richmond Park Richmond Park parkrun # 340 19 Apr 14

parkrun 21:09 45 Richmond Park Richmond Park parkrun # 342 3 May 14

Mar 3:50:06 3:50:03 524 Milton Keynes Milton Keynes Marathon 5 May 14

parkrun 21:44 52 Richmond Park Richmond Park parkrun # 343 10 May 14

Mar 3:46:50 3:46:32 180 Halstead Halstead & Essex Marathon 11 May 14

MarNAD 3:56:32 16 Orpington Orpington Mara*fun Marathon 17 May 14

parkrun 20:38 28 Richmond Park Richmond Park parkrun # 348 14 Jun 14

MarMT 4:34:06 58 Sydling St Nicholas Giants Head Marathon 28 Jun 14

MarMT 4:56:41 46 20 Bath Bath Marathon 27 Jul 14

parkrun 20:01 18 Richmond Park Richmond Park parkrun # 355 2 Aug 14

MarMT 3:56:25* 3:56:23* 12 Kingston Upon Thames Thames Meander Marathon 23 Aug 14

MarDH 4:23:09 4:23:06 1317 Inverness Baxters Loch Ness Marathon (Inc Scottish Champs) 28 Sep 14

Mar 4:43:45 4:43:44 110 Cowes Isle of Wight Marathon 12 Oct 14

*based on race website results, not power10.

His 8 marathon races in 2014 indicate a range of 3:46 to 4:56 which makes the claims of initial 3:19 and 3:28 marathons highly unlikely if they were truly on a whim without any serious training. The 5K times, which gradually improved over the course of 2014, indicate he had the potential to run 3:20-3:30 for a marathon IF he had proper long-distance training (not just shorter 5K training) and was race-ready.

The problem is still that he claims to have run his 2 fastest marathon times in 2014 on a whim, without specific training, as part of 78 miles in 48 hours of time, and he never posted a marathon race time within 18 minutes of either for his actual 8 marathon races that year.

So comparing his book claims of the first three marathons to his own Facebook and mapmyrun data, he changed the order, starting times, and routes with literary license for his alleged first three marathons. (The net times for each still matched, except "3:28" for 3:27:53.)

Now based on his cumulative race results, the 3:19 and 3:28 are noticeable outliers to the 3:46-4:56 range he posted for 8 actual marathon races in 2014.

Looks like the legend of the first 3 marathons possibly grew in two stages.

Stage One: He exaggerated in April 2014 when he posted on mapmyrun and Facebook that he ran 3:19, 3:28, and 4:07 for 26.2 miles in two days time. He exaggerated either the distance or time or both. Maybe he ran 20 miles in 3:19, for example, or 26.2 miles in 4:19 but called it 3:19.

Stage Two: He changed the Facebook and mapmyrun data regarding the order, starting times, and routes when he and Dustin wrote the book that was published in April 2016. Thus, according to the book, he dramatically ran 4:07 on Monday AM, then 3:28 (faster!) nine hours later on Monday PM, and then 3:19 (even FASTER!) seven hours later on Tuesday AM. And then continued with 7 more "marathons" in the next 5 days. When he embellished the route description in the book, this inadvertently also calls into question the verification of these runs by Joanna and Eva since they could not possibly be positioned where he claims in the book.

Unfortunately, after the spectacle of his trans-America record attempt, it's difficult to take any of his claims at face value.

Bob Hearn wrote:

Maker_of_Website wrote:

I made a post about RY's desert day. I'm not sure I've read every single post here, but AFAIK this is the most concrete cheating data for the transcon.

I need to get a life now, but if Blogger allows access for others to post or someone else wants to help make this a hub for analyses, contact me. That google doc y'all made is great though. Just though this could be a nice format to link off to if people are contacting media, etc etc.

http://ryinvestigation.blogspot.com

No offense, but I'd be more inclined to read the whole thing if I could make it past the first sentence without a grammatical error. Just my 2 cents.

None taken. But may God help you in this place if you can't deal with a typo...

Nana nap time. wrote:

Bob Hearn wrote:

No offense, but I'd be more inclined to read the whole thing if I could make it past the first sentence without a grammatical error. Just my 2 cents.

Just your "2 cents' and you injecting "a bit of hopefully useful perspective here and there.".

Time for your nana nap then see if you can come back with something really "useful".

Ungrateful millennial! Don't talk like that to the experienced elders! Be humble and show them the respect they deserve.

Oh, and he claims he was 210 pounds (15 stones) when he ran those initial marathons in 3:19 and 3:28.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/138134/surviving-dads-abuse-spurred-me-on-to-run-417-marathons-in-14-months/

lrc etiquette commitee wrote:

Maker_of_Website wrote:

I made a post about RY's desert day. I'm not sure I've read every single post here, but AFAIK this is the most concrete cheating data for the transcon.

I need to get a life now, but if Blogger allows access for others to post or someone else wants to help make this a hub for analyses, contact me. That google doc y'all made is great though. Just though this could be a nice format to link off to if people are contacting media, etc etc.

http://ryinvestigation.blogspot.com

Post it here. We're not interested in supporting your stupid personal blog.

"post it here" - STFU - did you even bother to check out what he put together? It's all been posted here but it's not organized in any way, shape or form. LRC is really good at some things and horrible at others. This blog is good and organizing and summarizing, and it's well done. Why don't you go over there and check it out. Plenty of time before mom calls you up for dinner.

Now, having said that, I would say that what the blog is missing is proper attribution to LRC that's really where all the work was done and this is only really a good summary of that work. Also missing is the critical piece of the story where, when team geezer showed up and was watching, thus forcing him to run every step, his body and mind could not ultimately deliver the goods.

So, to do:

1. Attribution and links back to LRC

2. Completing the story when ultralist team geezer showed up.

That is all for now.

British Girl wrote:

http://ryinvestigation.blogspot.com/

Excellent work. This should be sent to all media (when the time comes). Clear and easy to understand.

Wow. Very impressive indeed.

I fear this might a bit complex for the media, but it is extremely well done.

Added credit where credit is due. I can't re-read 315 pages so somebody give names/direct links if you want me to change it.

This was just supposed to be about May 18 and it took me way to long. Is there a nice summary of daily mileage/daily time spent moving? Could make a brief thing about pre/post team geezer. Otherwise I think I have to move on with my life...

ATTENTION

This is very suspicious: there are two different results for the 2014 Thames Meander Marathon

The first results (3:56) are the official ones.

Is it possible Rob has edited the results of the second one? Can a British runner give more information about runbritainrankings? There are suddenly 2 position 11 runners!

This 3:11 is a big outlier for Rob. I don't think there is splits information.

Maker_of_Website wrote:

None taken. But may God help you in this place if you can't deal with a typo...

The document loses credibility with the typos.

Bob's your uncle wrote:

Nana nap time. wrote:

Just your "2 cents' and you injecting "a bit of hopefully useful perspective here and there.".

Time for your nana nap then see if you can come back with something really "useful".

Ungrateful millennial! Don't talk like that to the experienced elders! Be humble and show them the respect they deserve.

I'm an elder but that Bob Hearn bloke comes across as a bit of a wanker who's well and truly up himself. The masochist definition above seems to fit well too so make that a masochistic wanker who's well and truly up himself.

curiously interested wrote:

Stage One: He exaggerated in April 2014 when he posted on mapmyrun and Facebook that he ran 3:19, 3:28, and 4:07 for 26.2 miles in two days time. He exaggerated either the distance or time or both. Maybe he ran 20 miles in 3:19, for example, or 26.2 miles in 4:19 but called it 3:19.

Mr. Young appears to suffer from an athletic inferiority complex. This helps explain why he would sprint fast miles in the presence of Ray and Gary, to demonstrate he was a true great runner. Also why he has such poor pacing in races by starting way too fast, especially that opening 5:23 mile at the Brighton Marathon. Or sprinting off at the beginning of stages in the Race Across America. If true, it would also be characteristic to exaggerate his running times when he started running.

Poor You! wrote:

Maker_of_Website wrote:

None taken. But may God help you in this place if you can't deal with a typo...

The document loses credibility with the typos.

Hi Bob and thanks.

Not worth reading all the pages but at minimum a single link to this thread would be proper; maybe a link to the google doc(you may already have that, didn't notice). Some of the LRC tech names I recall are 113, just finished a 64mi run, team1.kml...there were many others too, sorry I'm missing some; also, a shout out to Asher, it's his thread afterall. Key thing with laz/rayk/team geezer is that they know what kind of effort this takes and didn't believe the claims and thus crowdfunded a trip to observe 24/7 to keep him honest - and about 5 days of honesty is all he could muster until physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually he just broke down.

Thanks for pulling this together.

Poor You! wrote:

Maker_of_Website wrote:

None taken. But may God help you in this place if you can't deal with a typo...

The document loses credibility with the typos.

Help clean it up or STFU.