https://unherd.com/thepost/israeli-vaccine-chief-we-have-made-mistakes/
More mastering the obvious. Hindsight is 20/20. But so is well-reasoned foresight.
More mastering the obvious. Hindsight is 20/20. But so is well-reasoned foresight.
Covidiocy wrote:
unherd com/thepost/israeli-vaccine-chief-we-have-made-mistakes/
More mastering the obvious. Hindsight is 20/20. But so is well-reasoned foresight.
Unheard is run by anti-vaxxers. The Israel Vaccine "chief" is not a chief. He is a a life sciences professor, and one member of an advisory committee to Israel's health ministry.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-01-israel-omicron.htmlShortly after the Omicron variant was first detected in South Africa in November, Israel heavily curbed international travel. ... Cyrille Cohen, a life sciences professor at Bar Ilan University near Tel Aviv, described this as "a good move", which delayed large-scale local transmission and bought time to prepare for the coming wave, including by securing COVID treatment supplies. ... But he said Israel did not use this time to adequately boost testing capacity....
Moderna's stock is down 10% JUST TODAY
pointer outer wrote:
Please try to comprehend what you post.
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomesTable 9. Hospitalized COVID-19 cases in ICU in the past 120 days in Alberta by vaccine status
12-29 years 7 times as many with three doses vs two
80+ years 6 times as many with three doses vs two
Table 11. COVID-19 deaths, count and rate (per 100,000 population)
12-29 years unvacinnated 4.46
80+ years three doses 21.34
Table 12. COVID-19 deaths in the past 120 days in Alberta by vaccine status (total numbers)
80+ years
three doses 136
two doses 21
Nothing I said was wrong. You are welcome to select other statistics, as you have done, but hospitalization risk of a boosted 80-year old is the same as an unvaxxed 25 year old.
I'm sorry this upsets you so much
running small wrote:
LikeAnsweringQuestionsOnAmazon. wrote:
If you just want to talk off the cuff, many vaccinated are not bothering to test either, or if they do it's an at-home test, and even if positive nobody gives a darn and it is officially recorded anywhere. Talk about some cherry picking.
Your basket is empty, short minded boy.
MOST of the unvaccinated will avoid covid testing. MANY (far fewer than most) or the vaccinated are more likely to get covid tested.
How many hardcore antivaxxers do you think will buy the free at-home covid test kits?
Triggered much?
2600 bro wrote:
Ontario data pat 30 days:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJLov80XwAAjgIY?format=jpg&name=mediumLMAO JOE.
Now you understand why the dude needs to write 3 paragraphs with 15 different stats all jumbled together to make his point.
Obfuscation is the only way to keep the facade going. "Vaccine failure" is his white whale at this point. I will say the Nantucket sleigh ride he takes us on weekly is a bit of fun :)
LikeAnsweringQuestionsOnAmazon. wrote:
running small wrote:
How many hardcore antivaxxers do you think will buy the free at-home covid test kits?
Triggered much?
Can't answer a simple question, can you boy?
running small wrote:
Covidiocy wrote:
unherd com/thepost/israeli-vaccine-chief-we-have-made-mistakes/
More mastering the obvious. Hindsight is 20/20. But so is well-reasoned foresight.
Unheard is run by anti-vaxxers. The Israel Vaccine "chief" is not a chief. He is a a life sciences professor, and one member of an advisory committee to Israel's health ministry.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-01-israel-omicron.htmlShortly after the Omicron variant was first detected in South Africa in November, Israel heavily curbed international travel. ... Cyrille Cohen, a life sciences professor at Bar Ilan University near Tel Aviv, described this as "a good move", which delayed large-scale local transmission and bought time to prepare for the coming wave, including by securing COVID treatment supplies. ... But he said Israel did not use this time to adequately boost testing capacity....
Right. Being an immunologist on the advisory committee is not a “chief” or “czar” as it were.
Also from that article you just posted and also mastering the obvious:
“Changing the policy continuously causes confusion and a feeling that the government is not in control, which is true, because it's not possible to be in control" of the Omicron wave, he said.“
Oh, and, finally,
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-trial-worlds-first-finds-4th-dose-not-good-enough-against-omicron/Big news:
Vaccination seems to be protective against 'long COVID' symptoms, bringing reports of symptoms back near baseline.
https://twitter.com/epi_michael/status/1483143937359495172
Very nice additional data points for "vaccine good."
Also vaccination seems to mitigate post-COVID aerobic issues. VERY important for runners!
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.30.21268538v2
There's really no doubt the vaccine is strongly beneficial for all, but we are still here swatting away lame antivaxxer talking points daily! What fun.
Covidiocy wrote:
“Changing the policy continuously causes confusion and a feeling that the government is not in control, which is true, because it's not possible to be in control" of the Omicron wave, he said.“
Oh, and, finally,
timesofisrael com/israeli-trial-worlds-first-finds-4th-dose-not-good-enough-against-omicron/
Well, DUH! Variants require updated vaccines. It is not possible to be in control the Omnicron wave because of intentionally misinformed covididiots, like you, running around as covid-spreading lepers.
Covid works like the flu. You need the latest vaccine. A 4th dose of the late 2020 developed vaccine provides protection against all covid variants, and less so against something that came be to be in late 2021. Flu vaccines work the same.
Harambe wrote:
Big news:
Vaccination seems to be protective against 'long COVID' symptoms, bringing reports of symptoms back near baseline.
https://twitter.com/epi_michael/status/1483143937359495172Very nice additional data points for "vaccine good."
Also vaccination seems to mitigate post-COVID aerobic issues. VERY important for runners!
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.30.21268538v2There's really no doubt the vaccine is strongly beneficial for all, but we are still here swatting away lame antivaxxer talking points daily! What fun.
Yes, and labs are developing improved vaccines to fight against Omnicron. That is how vaccines against covids and flus work. The previously covid infected antivaxxers need to infect themselves every six months, and also against latest variant, to keep themselves intentionally infected to earn temporary covid-induced immunity.
Antivaxxers must intentionally infect themselves with covid to win, at best six-months of, temporary infection induced immunity. Has any antivaxxer started selling bottled covid to see to antivaxxers so than win temporary immunity? They'll need to buy more of the lastest covid to inhale every six months.
running small wrote:
Antivaxxers must intentionally infect themselves with covid to win, at best six-months of, temporary infection induced immunity. Has any antivaxxer started selling bottled covid to see to antivaxxers so than win temporary immunity? They'll need to buy more of the lastest covid to inhale every six months.
Yes, and each time they risk long-covid like symptoms or other damage. Mind boggling from the 'natural immunity' proponents.
*than* should be *they can*
Harambe wrote:
running small wrote:
Antivaxxers must intentionally infect themselves with covid to win, at best six-months of, temporary infection induced immunity. Has any antivaxxer started selling bottled covid to see to antivaxxers so than win temporary immunity? They'll need to buy more of the lastest covid to inhale every six months.
Yes, and each time they risk long-covid like symptoms or other damage. Mind boggling from the 'natural immunity' proponents.
They call it "natural" immunity. It is actually temporary infection induced immunity. They only way to win their "natural" immunity is to intentionally get covid ... every six months.
running small wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Yes, and each time they risk long-covid like symptoms or other damage. Mind boggling from the 'natural immunity' proponents.
They call it "natural" immunity. It is actually temporary infection induced immunity. They only way to win their "natural" immunity is to intentionally get covid ... every six months.
I guess they prefer making out with strangers on the street over getting a tested and quality-controlled vaccine. Telling!
Harambe wrote:
running small wrote:
They call it "natural" immunity. It is actually temporary infection induced immunity. They only way to win their "natural" immunity is to intentionally get covid ... every six months.
I guess they prefer making out with strangers on the street over getting a tested and quality-controlled vaccine. Telling!
So, what do you call it when vaccinated individuals get infected? Is that temporary infection induced immunity as well? Or is that only for individuals who were previously infected? After your COVID infection (which you will or have already gotten) will you get boosted right away if they are calling for boosters again (or will you wait 28-days as the recommend in the UK, 90-days as the CDC recommends for people who received convalescent plasma or monoclonal antibodies)? Do you think your prognosis is any different than that of a previously infected individual? When they start recommending boosters every 3-months, are you going to still be beating the vaccine drum?
joed|rrtt wrote:
more antivaxxer gibberish.
Q: Where are you buying your bottled covid with omnicron from to inhale to win some infection induced "natural" immunity? There is no other way for you to achieve your immunity goal.
running small wrote:
Monkeys Skyping wrote:
Finishing with an appeal to throw out the very concept of vaccine effectiveness.
The main issue with unvaccinated data is that unvaccinated people are getting covid and they are refusing to get tested. The number of cases of covid among the unvaccinated is much higher. Does any think trolls, like joed|rrtt, would allow themself to be tested for covid if they had it? Or would they continue to hide in their mom's basement pretending all was well?
Unvaccinated people refusing to take a test wouldn't affect hospitalization data. It might affect case data a little, but not to the extent you are claiming. Vaccinated individuals are contracting COVID right and left (and that includes boosted individuals). Accept this as fact. If I can admit that I am vaccinated and had breakthrough COVID, my wife, who is vaccinated and boosted had breakthrough COVID, my father and mother-in-law who are vaccinated and boosted (on my recommendation) had breakthrough COVID, etc., then you can admit that vaccines are not some perfect, impenetrable fortress of protection.
Will I use an at home test? Absolutely. Will I stand in a line or wait at an urgent care to take a test for hours just to subject myself to quarantine times and restrictions that are way too conservative and cause my kids to miss school or my spouse to miss an extended time at work (I work from home, so it doesn't affect my ability to work much)? Absolutely not. I will follow the science. I will wear a mask in public. If I am symptomatic, I will self-quarantine. I will be responsible, but I will not put myself on the map, and I am vaccinated, so I don't know that vaccinated individuals are any different than unvaccinated individuals in that respect.
joed|rrtt wrote:
running small wrote:
The main issue with unvaccinated data is that unvaccinated people are getting covid and they are refusing to get tested.
Unvaccinated people refusing to take a test wouldn't affect hospitalization data.
???? It affects infection rate, which is much higher than published because antivaxxers refuse to be tested, as such they cannot prove they have infection induced "natural" immunity.