c0ck ch0mper wrote:
RPI's better than Ithaca, regardless of yesterday's result. TCNJ might also be.
Yea because that totally makes sense, one team loses to another in their only true head to head match but they are still clearly the better team??
c0ck ch0mper wrote:
RPI's better than Ithaca, regardless of yesterday's result. TCNJ might also be.
Yea because that totally makes sense, one team loses to another in their only true head to head match but they are still clearly the better team??
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AXC wrote:
Yea because that totally makes sense, one team loses to another in their only true head to head match but they are still clearly the better team??
Simple. Look at the rest of the season. RPI clearly just had an off day. Ithaca, a third-tier type team, was able to capitalize with a smart, well-executed race. Doesn't mean they are better.
Ithaca sucks. When's the last time they made nationals? Like 2001 or so?
They should've been in a few years ago when they had a team of Way (14:46/30:49), Davis (15:03ish), Craighead (31:52 the year before, 15:10ish the year after), and Bickell (now one of top individuals in the region. But they were terrible that year, and every year, just like they always are at regionals.
Whistlestop Cafe wrote:
Genny's addition of curved and non-linear miles to their training program will benefit them come regionals, mark my words.
i think it's the addition of the non-linear bologna that will be most advantageous.
RPI will easily be ahead of Ithaca come regionals. RPI's 7th and 8th were only a few seconds behinds Ithaca's 4th.
Cayuga Lake is Dirty wrote:
Ithaca sucks. When's the last time they made nationals? Like 2001 or so?
When is the last time RPI made nationals? Like, never?
Why are we wasting time talking about RPI and Ithaca? They are pretty evenly matched, but it doesn't matter who is better because neither team is making nationals. I know there is a lot of pride in being considered the 7th best team in the region compared to 8th.
Ithaca was better that day, but it was close so it could easily change at regionals.
That actually wasn't me. Mine was a serious question. Their top 5 on 10/13 were Kyle Reid, Sam Rondeau, Mike Krenzer, Andrew Bernardo, and Andrew Bogdan. None of them ran at NYSCTC.
Scores at 3K (based on video my friend took at the race)
SLU - 1, 3, 4, 7, 8 = 23 (final score 52)
UR - 2, 6, 9, 11, 16. = 44 (final score 48)
RPI - 10, 12, 15, 24, 25 = 86 ( final score 88)
IC - 22, 23, 31, 32, 34 = 142 (final score 82)
link to vid?
Vid wrote:
Scores at 3K (based on video my friend took at the race)SLU - 1, 3, 4, 7, 8 = 23 (final score 52)
UR - 2, 6, 9, 11, 16. = 44 (final score 48)
RPI - 10, 12, 15, 24, 25 = 86 ( final score 88)
IC - 22, 23, 31, 32, 34 = 142 (final score 82)
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the tallest midget wrote:
Why are we wasting time talking about RPI and Ithaca? They are pretty evenly matched, but it doesn't matter who is better because neither team is making nationals. I know there is a lot of pride in being considered the 7th best team in the region compared to 8th.
Ithaca was better that day, but it was close so it could easily change at regionals.
You're probably right -- neither team is likely to make nationals. However, you're wrong about them fighting it out for 7th and 8th. They're fighting it out for 6th and 7th. Who the 6th team in the region is has a LOT of relevance.
It's obvious that Rochester and SLU are better teams, but neither looks invincible to me. SLU has poor depth, Rochester seems as though they may have overraced a bit early in the season. Anything could happen at regionals.
And if one of the 4-5 teams implodes, the 6th team stands to benefit. So, yeah, discussing who the 6th team is has some importance to people.
Plus RPI has been sneaking into the bottom of the national rankings (or into the "others receiving votes") for a few weeks. Though Ithaca beating RPI probably means RPI remains outside of the rankings rather than Ithaca joining them, if Ithaca did receive some votes and one or both of those two teams leapfrogged a faltering SLU or Rochester at regionals, the region's depth might look strong enough to send all 5 to nationals.
So again, yes, it seems somewhat important.
You're probably right -- neither team is likely to make nationals. However, you're wrong about them fighting it out for 7th and 8th. They're fighting it out for 6th and 7th. Who the 6th team in the region is has a LOT of relevance.
It's obvious that Rochester and SLU are better teams, but neither looks invincible to me. SLU has poor depth, Rochester seems as though they may have overraced a bit early in the season. Anything could happen at regionals.
And if one of the 4-5 teams implodes, the 6th team stands to benefit. So, yeah, discussing who the 6th team is has some importance to people.
Plus RPI has been sneaking into the bottom of the national rankings (or into the "others receiving votes") for a few weeks. Though Ithaca beating RPI probably means RPI remains outside of the rankings rather than Ithaca joining them, if Ithaca did receive some votes and one or both of those two teams leapfrogged a faltering SLU or Rochester at regionals, the region's depth might look strong enough to send all 5 to nationals.
So again, yes, it seems somewhat important.[/quote]
You make an excellent point. You have me convinced that discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the two teams is worth while. However, a pissing match between Ithaca and RPI about who is better doesn't do anything besides make me root for TCNJ to beat them both.
Again, the two teams are pretty even and each need a big day plus a bad day from SLU or UR to break into the top 5.
the tallest midget wrote:
You're probably right -- neither team is likely to make nationals. However, you're wrong about them fighting it out for 7th and 8th. They're fighting it out for 6th and 7th. Who the 6th team in the region is has a LOT of relevance.
It's obvious that Rochester and SLU are better teams, but neither looks invincible to me. SLU has poor depth, Rochester seems as though they may have overraced a bit early in the season. Anything could happen at regionals.
And if one of the 4-5 teams implodes, the 6th team stands to benefit. So, yeah, discussing who the 6th team is has some importance to people.
Plus RPI has been sneaking into the bottom of the national rankings (or into the "others receiving votes") for a few weeks. Though Ithaca beating RPI probably means RPI remains outside of the rankings rather than Ithaca joining them, if Ithaca did receive some votes and one or both of those two teams leapfrogged a faltering SLU or Rochester at regionals, the region's depth might look strong enough to send all 5 to nationals.
So again, yes, it seems somewhat important.
You make an excellent point. You have me convinced that discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the two teams is worth while. However, a pissing match between Ithaca and RPI about who is better doesn't do anything besides make me root for TCNJ to beat them both.
Again, the two teams are pretty even and each need a big day plus a bad day from SLU or UR to break into the top 5.[/quote]
And even if IC or RPI finish top 5, that would probably just cause the AR to only get 4 teams. One would have to finish 4th and be pushed in by UR or SLU for us to get 5 teams. RPI and IC just haven't done well enough through this point in the season to justify being the 5th team to go to Nats.
Vin wrote:
And even if IC or RPI finish top 5, that would probably just cause the AR to only get 4 teams. One would have to finish 4th and be pushed in by UR or SLU for us to get 5 teams. RPI and IC just haven't done well enough through this point in the season to justify being the 5th team to go to Nats.
I'm not entirely sure you're right. If one of them beats UR or SLU, who've been nationally ranked all year, they might get in as 5th. RIT got in a few years back and I don't think they were nationally ranked all year, were they?
You beat a team that's ranked, especially one that did so well last year (which always seems to count more than it should for selection and rankings), and you might just get in yourself.
National rankings are not used as a reference when making at large selections. What is used are the last 3 meets where the team raced an "A squad." This means how the top 5 teams at regionals compete with other teams out of region in those final 3 competitions matters greatly. Based off IC's and RPI's current resume they have little out of region success. If they finish 5th in the region and get to nationals it will be more on the failures of teams in other regions to step up at their own regional meet rather than the success or strengths of the Atlantic Region.
Someone who knows more things wrote:
National rankings are not used as a reference when making at large selections. What is used are the last 3 meets where the team raced an "A squad." This means how the top 5 teams at regionals compete with other teams out of region in those final 3 competitions matters greatly. Based off IC's and RPI's current resume they have little out of region success. If they finish 5th in the region and get to nationals it will be more on the failures of teams in other regions to step up at their own regional meet rather than the success or strengths of the Atlantic Region.
Who gets put in charge of deciding when/where teams ran an "A" squad? If Ithaca's no. 2 didn't run at Paul Short, does that not count as an A squad? What are the criteria for a squad being called your best?
Someone Who Knows Things wrote:\
I'm not entirely sure you're right. If one of them beats UR or SLU, who've been nationally ranked all year, they might get in as 5th. RIT got in a few years back and I don't think they were nationally ranked all year, were they?
You beat a team that's ranked, especially one that did so well last year (which always seems to count more than it should for selection and rankings), and you might just get in yourself.
RIT was ranked for the second half of the season in 2009, never higher than 26th or so. They finished 4th at regionals, just ahead of SLU. Both got into nationals. I assume that's the year you were talking about. But yeah RIT probably only got in because the powers-that-be wanted to take SLU (with good reason, obviously) and couldn't take SLU without taking RIT.
Well essentially it's the last three meets. However the meets need to be an accepted distance (5k and over for women, 6k and over for men). The races also have to be single gender to be counted. So my calling it an a squad was probably a poor term and thanks for catching that. An example of a race not factoring into the last three would be the Cornell Reif 5k. I believe Ithaca and cortland ran some people there. It doesn't count for men as its too short and it can't be counted for the women as both genders competed in the same race.