Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread

AL SAL wrote:

Every time he is in shorts, fist. Pants, thumbs up.

NOT TRUE from what I can see here. Pants, thumbs down

Only pic with thumbs up that i see? JIM RHODES

also, this pic he kind of has thumb up in shorts (on right)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ik6d67YLaHY/TS-S1iT3y7I/AAAAAAAAAHw/AtoBdqX7aTk/s1600/kipupdated.jpg

Study of K.Litton Running wrote:

Why would he change ballcaps? doesnt make any sense...

Also, does he add in the blue bandana underneath the BAA cap?

If someone reported a runner jumping on and off a course they wouldn't have a bib number because Kip's careful to cover it up, so they'd only be able to describe his outfit. When Kip is done with his short-cuts, he puts on a different outfit and finishes the race. The description of the cheating runner no longer matches him, and since his bib was covered there aren't any pictures that link the earlier outfit and course cutting to him.

yeah, that's why you place the bib over your nutsack and let it hang there and cover the whole outfit up with a snowsuit for the early parts. act like you're not competing, then strip and hop right in for a cheering finish!!!!

NOT TRUE from what I can see here. Pants, thumbs down

Seems like pants down is how we've got this cheater busted at this point...

The bandana is for the hair disguise. He lets it out later in the race so no one sees it and can describe it, just in case.

Ballcaps are in case he's seen by a bystander or another runner, his finishing photo won't have a distinct color, aka opposite of what someone saw.

Notice how he "looks down" as if he "KNOWS" a photo is being taken (30k in Boston). Well of course he knows at certain points and he hides his face as much as possible.

Again, hiding in the back is so no one will recognize him. He couldn't maintain their pace either, so why start with them, even if in disguise. 5 hour marathoners won't be around when he finishes. He's long gone by that time.

Sorry, I still have a hard time believing that he even ran 1:28 for a half when I look at his body mass, face, and frame. Call me cynical, but until I see a video of the entire race, I won't believe it. Who rode the bike, his friend?

Here are some of my general thoughts on Kip's cheating at the Boston Marathon.

1) Kip obviously changed outfits during the race. He could have simply shed the jacket and pants, but the hat change suggests that he had a clothes stashed somewhere along the course.

2)Don't think he could have biked or driven the course. It would be impossible to jump in at every 5k mat, Jump out, circle back to bike or car and get to the next point in time unless he biked the entire course. And we see from some of the photos that he is obviously not on a bike during the early stages.

3)So if the first two points are true, he would have to have someone helping him. We already know or at least suspect that his buddy Ben is in on this ruse. So it may be him or there may be others.

4)We clearly see photos of Kip at the 15k, 20k, and half and late stages of the race. This probably rules out 2 runners each doing a part of the course. Otherwise you wouldn't expect to see photos of Kip so early in the race. Plus the unusual splits make it unlikely that someone was really running the course.

Here is my theory: Kip and Ben? traveled to Boston together. They pick up the race chip and then program a second chip with the same code. They take two cars and leave one at the 5k point. Kip starts the race, hits the start and the 5k mats, hops in his car and drives to the 15k mat. After dropping Kip off at the start, Ben drives to the 10k mat. Waits until the right time and then sets it off with the 2nd chip. Kip runs from 15k to 25k. Ben sets off the 30k marker and Kip is back in the race from 35k until the finish. So overall Kip ends up running a 20' 5k, a 43' 10k and then a 30' 7k with nice 40' rests in between each section.

The only questions that this theory still leaves unanswered is why Kip appears to be going so slow in the 20k photo.

Anyone have any experience with programming chips. How easy would it be to program if you know what your doing. Or maybe he reported it lost and had a second one issued.

off course Oscar wrote:

...Sorry, I still have a hard time believing that he even ran 1:28 for a half when I look at his body mass, face, and frame. Call me cynical, but until I see a video of the entire race, I won't believe it. Who rode the bike, his friend?

Agreed. If memory serves, I believe he gained some credibility of being capable of a 2:5x marathon in the original thread. Problem is, that was based on the West Wyoming marathon results, which was recently determined to be a fraud.

At this point, I don't know of any race result of his that is certain.

I guess that's the 30k photo. So that would help explain it better. Ben hits the 25k mat and Kip jumps in at 30k and runs to the finish.

Don't know about programming, but I think you're on to something there.

Body type isn't necessarily a good indicator of speed. I've seen some very talented "chubby" guys (at least compared to typical anorexic runners), that make you say -" if you lost 40 lbs I'd hate to see what you'd do". HOWEVER looking at kipster's progression at Boston (which is almost credible ). You think he was getting leaner and leaner, especially given his age. For example for me to progress steadily in my 40's I need to train harder AND get leaner. Age is working against all of us, but he gets faster.

Study of K.Litton Running wrote:

Who is this guy?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ik6d67YLaHY/TS-PDkNrjvI/AAAAAAAAAHI/09F3u9YRswM/s1600/kip66666.jpg

maybe NOT KIP, just wondering??????????????

NOT Kip. Check the matching foto from the marathonfoto list we've built. There's a ring on this guy's right ring finger but none on the pics we confirmed as Kip.

Eventually when the truth hopefully comes out, we will know if there were accomplices.

I surmise he could have chose to post a good (bogus) time at Boston (as opposed to a smaller venue) to have the adoring massess, ie charity contributors, think of him as this marathon hero, capable of tackling the venerable Boston course even on scant rest, even with doing a 17 min 5K a mere 1 day prior.

Remember he was talking of raising 250K for CF with the proceeds going to his website first. Thus, it is possible that there are other complicit in his adventures.

Kudos to the guys who dug up the random pictures!

just spent an hour and 30 minutes on this thread. (i only get to check once per day)

I have nothing to contribute except I just wanted to change the title from hereafter because it was bothering me.

Well done, Letsrun! We haven't all banded together like this since Eddy Lee broke 4. I love how now we're now turning that awesome force AGAINST someone this time.

I meant left ring finger

It is obvious his accomplice is hiding behind the grassy knoll.

case sensitive wrote:

Study of K.Litton Running wrote:

Who is this guy?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ik6d67YLaHY/TS-PDkNrjvI/AAAAAAAAAHI/09F3u9YRswM/s1600/kip66666.jpg

maybe NOT KIP, just wondering??????????????

NOT Kip. Check the matching foto from the marathonfoto list we've built. There's a ring on this guy's right ring finger but none on the pics we confirmed as Kip.

His brother is married isn't he?

Speculation wrote:

Here are some of my general thoughts on Kip's cheating at the Boston Marathon.

2)Don't think he could have biked or driven the course. It would be impossible to jump in at every 5k mat, Jump out, circle back to bike or car and get to the next point in time unless he biked the entire course. And we see from some of the photos that he is obviously not on a bike during the early stages.

Not saying it happened but I think it's possible. Spectators are watching the runners. Runners are not watching the spectators. You can walk up to a point on the course, stretch or do whatever you need to look normal, and start jogging. Getting off and blending in is even easier. And if you are only running the mats +/- 2 blocks, the circle back to get the bike is no big deal. Jog 8 blocks, bike 5k, rinse, repeat. Wouldn't be very fun though.