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Trey Caldwell looked great running a 14:55 at Crystal Springs (2.95 miles) this past weekend. It was hot with unrelenting sun out there, on a very tough course. Put him on a faster course with cooler temps, I bet he'll crank a great time.
14:55 at crystal springs is very unimpressive even at 90 degree weather.
notimpressive, gotta tap the Theodore Roosevelt sign for keyboard warriors like you.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
That is very hard to believe considering midwest is allowed to wears spikes in their races. Spikes help a lot more than people think it does. In addition, the course looked very fast. The course would have to be quite a bit longer than a 5k for the performances to be equivalent
That would also put Hunter Jones at German Fernandez's best cross country performance / california's best performance ever. German Fernandez could run a 4:01 mile and 2 hours later run a 8:35 3200 by himself. Hunter Jones couldn't break 8:40 with super shoes in a competitive field that pushed him.
Yep, the track shows how good you really are. He could also be a lot better at cross country than track, if so he should have won the national championships. Here is an all-time list I found for woodward park - you can look up anyone in the top 31-all time, everyone had very outstanding resumes.
8. Marc Davis (San Diego-SD) 1986 Kinney West Region 14:38 (San Diego Section record) 9. Eric Reynolds (Camarillo-SS) 1982 Kinney West Region 14:39 9. Bryan Dameworth (Agoura, Agoura Hills-SS) 1989 Kinney West Region 14:39 11. Jay Marden (Mission San Jose, Fremont-NCS) 1980 Kinney West Region 14:40 (North Coast Section record)
most notable were actually these 4.
Marc Davis later went to run 14:38 at Balboa Park to win footlocker, Eric Reynolds won footlocker in 14:35, Bryan Dameworth won in 14:49, Jay Marden won it in 14:53.
Does anyone know if 80s footlocker was easier than 2000s footlocker? These conversion don't make any sense. Woodward park should be around 25 seconds faster than balboa park.
Woodward park should be around 25 seconds faster than balboa park.
Sounds about right. However, that conversion also applies everywhere else in the country. Lots of people who make it to the national races don't perform well at all. Their taper has already worn off and they start losing fitness and they already had a long season. In California's case, everyone tapers for state. If a California runner were to make it to Footlocker, that is 3 weeks of hoping to sustain fitness after a taper. It is not sustainable. Other regional races are further away from the national race so runners can get fitness back after a taper.
I know for me, my tapper will only last for 1 week. After that, I will slowly start to lose fitness. I would bet 4/5 of runners that make it to footlocker had their best race at their regional race, state race or maybe an early invitational. Most likely the regional race.
My advice for really fast California runners is to not taper for the state meet. If they don't make NXN, then tapper for Footlocker West Regionals or Runninglane Nationals. If they were to make footlocker nationals, then I hope their body can sustain a 2 week taper without losing fitness. (I always did horrible at ca state meet because my coach would start our teams taper cif finals)
Woodward park should be around 25 seconds faster than balboa park.
Sounds about right. However, that conversion also applies everywhere else in the country. Lots of people who make it to the national races don't perform well at all. Their taper has already worn off and they start losing fitness and they already had a long season. In California's case, everyone tapers for state. If a California runner were to make it to Footlocker, that is 3 weeks of hoping to sustain fitness after a taper. It is not sustainable. Other regional races are further away from the national race so runners can get fitness back after a taper.
I know for me, my tapper will only last for 1 week. After that, I will slowly start to lose fitness. I would bet 4/5 of runners that make it to footlocker had their best race at their regional race, state race or maybe an early invitational. Most likely the regional race.
My advice for really fast California runners is to not taper for the state meet. If they don't make NXN, then tapper for Footlocker West Regionals or Runninglane Nationals. If they were to make footlocker nationals, then I hope their body can sustain a 2 week taper without losing fitness. (I always did horrible at ca state meet because my coach would start our teams taper cif finals)
For those from CA the State meet is much more important than either Footlocker Weset Regionals or Runninglane. If you aren't 100% on top of your game at State you won't make NXN either, so that makes State the important race at that time.
The Rough Rider Invitational Cross Country is on Friday October 13, 2023. It includes the following events: Frosh/Soph Girls Small School, Frosh/Soph Boys Small School, Frosh/Soph Girls Large School, Frosh/Soph Boys Large Sch...
Matilda Torres won and has 4 sophs on varsity (they were #1,2,5,7 on the team in this race) and a freshman just outside of it. Definitely a team to keep an eye out for the future. The cool thing is that this school was only opened 3 years ago
Matilda Torres won and has 4 sophs on varsity (they were #1,2,5,7 on the team in this race) and a freshman just outside of it. Definitely a team to keep an eye out for the future. The cool thing is that this school was only opened 3 years ago
All this talk about how we won't be very good next year and this year we are "average". We have 5 very stacked teams next year (Buchanan, Beckman, Matilda Torres, MLK, Great Oak). Beckman should be one of the fastest teams in the nation next year. If Glendora and Jserra can find a 5th runner, they could very good too.
As for this year, we have so many very good teams. Dana Hills, Great Oak, Ventura will most likely be the 3 teams going to nike nationals. Each of these teams should place top 10 at nationals. San Clemente, Beckman, Mira Costa, Oakdale, Trabuco Hills are all good enough to place top 5 at runninglane. I hope that the teams that don't make nxn go to runninglane so that a california team can win that meet.
Looks like he (Caldwell) ran 15:53 yesterday at Roughrider (the same course at the state meet/Clovis). That said, different level of competition at Clovis vs RR.
All this talk about how we won't be very good next year and this year we are "average". We have 5 very stacked teams next year (Buchanan, Beckman, Matilda Torres, MLK, Great Oak). Beckman should be one of the fastest teams in the nation next year. If Glendora and Jserra can find a 5th runner, they could very good too.
Jesuit CA also. Only 1 senior scoring. Their top 2 are sophomores. They also had a freshman go sub-17 at Clovis
Looks like he (Caldwell) ran 15:53 yesterday at Roughrider (the same course at the state meet/Clovis). That said, different level of competition at Clovis vs RR.
Seeing that. Looked at his state meet time last year, it was 15:21. His Rough Rider time last year was 16:06. Not gonna claim he's Fast Horse or Noonan. But he's doing all right.
For connoisseurs of small school competition, there was a meaningful matchup on the girls side. PrepCalTrack has Immanuel and Crystal Springs Uplands tied for 1st in the statewide rankings. They faced each other at Rough Rider.
Immanuel won it easily. Their first four all finished in the Top 10 of the race. They look tough to beat.
As someone who's run a couple times at Woodward and many times at Crystal and who's compared high level athletes' Woodward and Crystal times a lot, it seems to be around a 15 second difference between both course (Woodward taking longer of course). 14:55 is definitely a good time at crystal though I wouldn't put it much faster than 15:10. Always are outliers though as shown by Aydon Stefanopoulos last year who ran in the 15:30s multiple times at Crystal (with a best of 15:30) followed by 15:14 at States. Another one would be Landon Pretre though he hasn't yet ran all out at Crystal this season but he ran 14:52 at Woodward and there's no chance he can run more than 10 seconds faster than that at Crystal this season (his current PR there is 15:09)
15 seconds is very generous, I ran both courses too. I would say around 25 seconds. Maybe even more seconds since it was such a long time ago since I ran it and my memory is foggy
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In the large school girls race, Shea Volkmer of Campolindo won it going away. She ran a 17:49, with second place 40 seconds back at 18:29. Her solo running effort at Rough Rider would have placed her 8th in the Clovis Championship race.
This follows her 4:54 1600 at the mid-season mania meet. She has stepped in nicely to fill the shoes of Ellie Buckley.
