Tom “Tinman” Schwartz and Drew Hunter/Tinman Elite have parted ways

westsouthrunner wrote:

free shipping with purchase wrote:

He was 5th, made the team on a technicality, and didn't compete at Worlds.

Fisher, McGorty, Klecker, Teare, Hocker, who else am I missing? have all surpassed him. Will not make finals in the 1500 and will be worse than 8th in the 5K.

You can Argue that Lopez Lomong made the team on a technicality too lol. Quit hating

That’s not hating — the poster used hunter making the last worlds team as evidence that he has a chance at the Olympic team.

Pointing out he was 5th in that race just shows how unlikely it is that he’ll make the Oly team (especially bc the field is even better than it was). I wouldn’t call him a contender.

crete wrote:

So who is this person who supposedly influenced Drew Hunter?

From Tinman's wife:

"You were also influenced by your buddy, the media and your Mom"

crete wrote:

she also said:

"...and they did have a good relationship, until a certain individual got involved. Jealousy might be the evil doer behind all this."

Could this be Cory Leslie? They decided to keep him around after getting rid of Tinman so seems like he disassociated himself from Tinman in some ways. Kind of ironic since some of them have gotten hurt after listening to Cory instead of Tinman

Thank you very much wrote:

Tammy do you not realize that by using your own name you can also be opened up to defamation law suits?

More importantly, your husband should never have bragged to people about your secondary instagram account (what was it - Tjtrailrunner??) which you used to leave hate comments on the men's instagram posts, whilst he was still the coach of the team.

If you want to know who put the nail in his coffin, walk over to a mirror.

HOLD ON is this real? Can we stop here and focus on this for a minute?

I don’t understand the Cory Leslie situation. If he was the head coach at ASU, why did he leave for Tinman? (It’s possible he was let go, but I think it’s more likely he left considering he was promoted to replace the prior head coach in July 2019 so he only was the head coach 1 XC season and not even 1/2 a track season because of Covid)

So since it seemed he left ASU voluntarily, I assumed he got paid decently to go to TME.. but if Tinman only received ~$2k a month, what could Leslie have gotten? The only possible scenario I could come up with is that Adidas coaching stipend in Drew’s contact would eventually go to Leslie + some extra, and Leslie would then be officially paid by Adidas to run the Tinman Elite program (or whatever the new name would be). But in that scenario, it seems Tom would’ve seen this coming when Leslie joined. Since he and his wife seemed surprised, it seems my theory is incorrect... which still leaves me confused at why Leslie would've gone to Tinman for virtually nothing.

Alexi Santana wrote:

HOLD ON is this real? Can we stop here and focus on this for a minute?

oh it is very real

iykyk wrote:

Alexi Santana wrote:

HOLD ON is this real? Can we stop here and focus on this for a minute?

oh it is very real

Spill the beans. I wanna see more. Google isn't turning anything up for "tjtrailrunner".

So the implication is that Tinman and his wife hated them dropping F bombs or giving the middle finger (I’ve seen a lot of posts and haven’t noticed this, but I’m also in my 30s and this stuff seems normal so maybe I wouldn’t notice...). They hated them so much that his wife created a burner account and started hating on them on IG??

If this is true, the relationship was well over before he was fired.

crete wrote:

So who is this person who supposedly influenced Drew Hunter?

From Tinman's wife:

"You were also influenced by your buddy, the media and your Mom"

Cory Leslie planted all this in members minds?

She posts anonymously herself then gets mad here for others doing the same. Stolen right from the democrat's playbook, accusing others of wrongful behavior and doing it yourself. Not a good look.

This is just symptomatic of the rabbit hole we have descended - the crazy sites people follow, the spam and misinformation they project, but also the fact that we can lurk onto another's social media accounts and cut & paste what they follow, and thus label a person.

Fascinating thread but it is in the process of jumping the shark. The thread will be deleted once brojos get tired of it, or it becomes a liability, or stops supporting their world view.

Rojo

You say you will delete posts that go off topic. What the hell is the topic? You are telling us that Tommy voted for Bill Clinton and got vaccinated. Is that part of the topic? Could you please provide a quick summary of the topic?

I agree this may be the biggest mystery. I don’t know many coaching hierarchies where an assistant (Leslie) is paid more than the head coach (Schwartz)?

2600 bro wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

If you focus on someone’s Trump support, where you consider that person bad in some way, you effectively are condemning half the country. That is more a reflection on you.

If true, it seems like this TME group has become a victim of societal influences. Fractured by political division, unable to focus on the task at hand, in this case running, not SJW causes.

It doesn't matter who a person supports - most people do not want politics injected into their professional or personal life - especially if said politics is fringe/radical. If he was really spamming texts about COVID being a left-wing hoax, I can see that causing a personal divide. This isn't a "Trump bad" thing it's a "radical political ramblings are annoying" thing.

It's also a "yo, this has nothing to do with what we have agreed we're doing here today" thing. It's a distraction he's caught up in that he's pushing on others who don't want to spend time on that, he ruined his credibility with what the athletes rightly presumed were texts about their running rather than culture war propaganda. If a plumbing service sent out a guy or gal to my house who without any invitation felt comfortable spouting off at length like a Bernie bro, you're damn right I'd call his manager with feedback and tell that service to not send that guy my way again or I'd find a competitor to give my business to. He would've worn out his welcome in our business relationship because of his lack of social skills. Looks like Tinman did the same because he couldn't help himself to stay on topic with those with whom he had a business relationship.

What are all of these down time activities/choices/etc that are causing these guys to get hurt or not run up to their potential?

pavement88 wrote:

What are all of these down time activities/choices/etc that are causing these guys to get hurt or not run up to their potential?

Strained fingers posting on letsrun?

Seriously though. Prediction:

None of these immature tinman elite kids will make the Olympics.

Firing Tinman because he's a conservative would be wack.

Firing Tinman because his wife trashes the team on her burner is poetic justice though.

My point was, and rojo pointed out, there are posters that want to turn everythng political. If that rules your life, one way or the other, that is sad. Tinman appeared to have a busy plate. On the surface anyhow, the TME athletes appear to be that distracted ones, reinventing themselves as social media personalies, rather than athletes.

Seriously, Tinman ELITE in name only and Cory Leslie as Head man now......WOW

That my friends is your basic track club.

Politics has now made it's way into the workplace. In the end most of us are more centrist than the binary affiliation we have to choose from. With Tom he is far more extreme in his views. Who he follows on IG means nothing. What he says to his team, other coaches or in the forums he is active in is.

With TME it definitely is relevant. They are a brand and if their values and his don't align then it may not be a good fit to continue their relationship. Especially when a big piece of their brand is beyond performance itself.