"...the same CDC quietly admitted on Friday that the thin cloth masks the agency and its corporate media allies spent the last two years cheering actually “provide the least protection” against COVID-19."
The dead gorilla often forgets to take his off in the shower at home.
Ontario data pat 30 days:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJLov80XwAAjgIY?format=jpg&name=medium
LMAO JOE.
2600 bro wrote:
Ontario data pat 30 days:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJLov80XwAAjgIY?format=jpg&name=medium
Well that pretty much says it all, doesn't it?
2600 bro wrote:
Ontario data pat 30 days:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJLov80XwAAjgIY?format=jpg&name=mediumLMAO JOE.
Source?
joed|rrt wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Ontario data pat 30 days:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJLov80XwAAjgIY?format=jpg&name=mediumLMAO JOE.
Source?
I ask because the age breakouts for the case data were last updated in October.
Looking at the official site, the last time they broke hospitalizations out by age was October 24.
joed|rrt wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Ontario data pat 30 days:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJLov80XwAAjgIY?format=jpg&name=mediumLMAO JOE.
Source?
"Past 30 days" is up to 3 Jan 2022. The tail end of the data shows vaccine effectiveness against omicron is less than previous variants, but still quite good.
https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-epi-confirmed-cases-post-vaccination.pdf?sc_lang=enCongratulations Tucker Carlson and Fox News...
The US now has the lowest vaccination rate of major advanced countries being tracked. Except for Russia.
Fox news and The GOP killing of their viewer/ voters to own the libs.
idiot spotter wrote:
Congratulations Tucker Carlson and Fox News...
The US now has the lowest vaccination rate of major advanced countries being tracked. Except for Russia.
Congratulations idiot spotter.
You've been had.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-trial-worlds-first-finds-4th-dose-not-good-enough-against-omicron/Israeli trial, world’s first, finds 4th dose ‘not good enough’ against Omicron
“We see an increase in antibodies, higher than after the third dose,” Regev-Yochay said. “However, we see many infected with Omicron who received the fourth dose. Granted, a bit less than in the control group, but still a lot of infections,” she added.
It's somewhat deceptive, primarily because the population they are looking at in the unvaccinated category from those age groups is extraordinarily small. For the 60+ age group, only about 3% are unvaccinated. Thus, a handful of hospitalizations would have a profound impact on the rate. The reason those 3% in that age group would not be vaccinated could be up for discussion. There is a real possibility that individuals in that age group that are not vaccinated have a pre-existing condition that would counter indicate vaccination. I have never said that old, sick people shouldn't be vaccinated (quite the opposite), so if you are going to hang your hat on that and ignore the fact that 3/4 of hospitalizations are vaccinated individuals and, more importantly, that the population of vaccinated individuals in the hospital is at an all time high (33 times the 4 month average prior to Omicron), then you are giving vaccinated individuals a false sense of security regarding the protection afforded by their vaccines. Vaccinated individuals should completely ignore unvaccinated data and focus on vaccinated data. A vaccinated individual should be alarmed that for 4 months there was an average of 74 vaccinated individuals in the hospital, but now that Omicron emerged, there were 2,458 at last count.
joed|rrtt wrote:
It's somewhat deceptive, primarily because the population they are looking at in the unvaccinated category from those age groups is extraordinarily small. For the 60+ age group, only about 3% are unvaccinated. Thus, a handful of hospitalizations would have a profound impact on the rate. The reason those 3% in that age group would not be vaccinated could be up for discussion. There is a real possibility that individuals in that age group that are not vaccinated have a pre-existing condition that would counter indicate vaccination.
A momentary breakthrough in which Joe not only acknowledges the existence of confounding factors, he appeals to them to save his thesis regarding vaccine effectiveness by appealing to speculative differences in the populations.
I have never said that old, sick people shouldn't be vaccinated (quite the opposite), so if you are going to hang your hat on that and ignore the fact that 3/4 of hospitalizations are vaccinated individuals and, more importantly, that the population of vaccinated individuals in the hospital is at an all time high (33 times the 4 month average prior to Omicron), then you are giving vaccinated individuals a false sense of security regarding the protection afforded by their vaccines.
An immediate pivot back to a preference for confounded data points.
Vaccinated individuals should completely ignore unvaccinated data and focus on vaccinated data. A vaccinated individual should be alarmed that for 4 months there was an average of 74 vaccinated individuals in the hospital, but now that Omicron emerged, there were 2,458 at last count.
Finishing with an appeal to throw out the very concept of vaccine effectiveness.
Monkeys Skyping wrote:
joed|rrtt wrote:
Vaccinated individuals should completely ignore unvaccinated data and focus on vaccinated data. A vaccinated individual should be alarmed that for 4 months there was an average of 74 vaccinated individuals in the hospital, but now that Omicron emerged, there were 2,458 at last count.
Finishing with an appeal to throw out the very concept of vaccine effectiveness.
The main issue with unvaccinated data is that unvaccinated people are getting covid and they are refusing to get tested. The number of cases of covid among the unvaccinated is much higher. Does any think trolls, like joed|rrtt, would allow themself to be tested for covid if they had it? Or would they continue to hide in their mom's basement pretending all was well?
running small wrote:
Monkeys Skyping wrote:
Finishing with an appeal to throw out the very concept of vaccine effectiveness.
The main issue with unvaccinated data is that unvaccinated people are getting covid and they are refusing to get tested. The number of cases of covid among the unvaccinated is much higher. Does any think trolls, like joed|rrtt, would allow themself to be tested for covid if they had it? Or would they continue to hide in their mom's basement pretending all was well?
If you just want to talk off the cuff, many vaccinated are not bothering to test either, or if they do it's an at-home test, and even if positive nobody gives a darn and it is officially recorded anywhere. Talk about some cherry picking.
Your basket is full , dude.
joed|rrtt wrote:
It's somewhat deceptive, primarily because the population they are looking at in the unvaccinated category from those age groups is extraordinarily small. For the 60+ age group, only about 3% are unvaccinated. Thus, a handful of hospitalizations would have a profound impact on the rate. The reason those 3% in that age group would not be vaccinated could be up for discussion. There is a real possibility that individuals in that age group that are not vaccinated have a pre-existing condition that would counter indicate vaccination. I have never said that old, sick people shouldn't be vaccinated (quite the opposite), so if you are going to hang your hat on that and ignore the fact that 3/4 of hospitalizations are vaccinated individuals and, more importantly, that the population of vaccinated individuals in the hospital is at an all time high (33 times the 4 month average prior to Omicron), then you are giving vaccinated individuals a false sense of security regarding the protection afforded by their vaccines. Vaccinated individuals should completely ignore unvaccinated data and focus on vaccinated data. A vaccinated individual should be alarmed that for 4 months there was an average of 74 vaccinated individuals in the hospital, but now that Omicron emerged, there were 2,458 at last count.
Once you break out boosted individuals from other vaccinated folks, the data looks substantially different. Certainly I agree that people who haven’t been boosted should not feel very secure, and should get boosted if they can. Otherwise, they should use evidence-based protective measures just as everyone else should.
Somehow I don’t think that those are the conclusions that you are drawing.
The UK has > 2X the booster rate of the US.
Causation or correlation?
LikeAnsweringQuestionsOnAmazon. wrote:
If you just want to talk off the cuff, many vaccinated are not bothering to test either, or if they do it's an at-home test, and even if positive nobody gives a darn and it is officially recorded anywhere. Talk about some cherry picking.
Your basket is empty, short minded boy.
MOST of the unvaccinated will avoid covid testing. MANY (far fewer than most) or the vaccinated are more likely to get covid tested.
How many hardcore antivaxxers do you think will buy the free at-home covid test kits?
LikeAnsweringQuestionsOnAmazon. wrote:
running small wrote:
The main issue with unvaccinated data is that unvaccinated people are getting covid and they are refusing to get tested. The number of cases of covid among the unvaccinated is much higher. Does any think trolls, like joed|rrtt, would allow themself to be tested for covid if they had it? Or would they continue to hide in their mom's basement pretending all was well?
If you just want to talk off the cuff, many vaccinated are not bothering to test either, or if they do it's an at-home test, and even if positive nobody gives a darn and it is officially recorded anywhere. Talk about some cherry picking.
Your basket is full , dude.
Yes, positive tests has always been a challenging statistic to interpret, especially in locations that don’t do a lot of monitoring, although we can be confident that percent positives on tests exceeds percent positives in the population(almost all of this effect being due to people getting tested due to feeling sick, not for monitoring purposes)
Positive tests in hospitalizations, icu stays, and deaths is much more reliable
2600 bro wrote:
VA data looking good.
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/see-the-numbers/covid-19-in-virginia/covid-19-cases-by-vaccination-status/
Virginia data looking made up. Keep posting fairy tale numbers. It just underlies how completely false breakthrough numbers are from some of these states. Do you honestly believe that vaccinated individuals are 50+ times less likely to test positive than unvaccinated individuals right now? Pretty much every vaccinated person I know right now has had COVID in the past three weeks. Sure, COVID rates are 30% higher among vaccinated individuals in Ontario (a country with centralized data that actually tracks things), but somehow, they are 98% lower in Virginia. Keep posting the good news from fantasyland.
