"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Harambe wrote:

NY state data through the 3rd of Jan shows vaccines are still highly effective:

https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data

New York data is about as trustworthy as data from North Korea. Pretty much everybody on the planet is getting Omicron, yet somehow in New York, the vaccines are magically almost 80% effective against transmission. AOC must be pissed, because evidently, she didn't get one of the magic ones. Please continue posting data from New York telling us how wonderfully the vaccines are working at preventing infection, as it just continues to reinforce how absurd their data is.

joed|rttyy wrote:

Harambe wrote:

NY state data through the 3rd of Jan shows vaccines are still highly effective:

https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data

New York data is about as trustworthy as data from North Korea. Pretty much everybody on the planet is getting Omicron, yet somehow in New York, the vaccines are magically almost 80% effective against transmission. AOC must be pissed, because evidently, she didn't get one of the magic ones. Please continue posting data from New York telling us how wonderfully the vaccines are working at preventing infection, as it just continues to reinforce how absurd their data is.

Lol. "Anything that disagrees with my horribly biased priors is misinformation."

You still haven't admitted you were wrong about vaccines and Delta. You have zero intellectual credibility. Basically a Bad-Wigins-level broken record

joed|rttyy wrote:

Vaccinated death rate 80+ UKHSA week 2 2022- 54.3/100k

Unvaccinated death rate 18-29 UKHSA week 2 2022 - 0.5/100k

Vaccinated hospitalization rate 80+ UKHSA week 2 2022- 88.7/100k

Unvaccinated death rate 18-29 UKHSA week 2 2022 - 16.9/100k

Not even close. Try harder next time. Stop posting misnformation.

Boosted is the key term. The Alberta data is great in that it parses out boosted from 2x doses (which is know is worse against Omicron, just like prior infection).

Continue to dashboard squint and pretend that your dreams of vaccine failure are coming true. I admire the 'broken clock' strategy. Maybe you'll get a win by 2040

Harambe wrote:

joed|rttyy wrote:

New York data is about as trustworthy as data from North Korea. Pretty much everybody on the planet is getting Omicron, yet somehow in New York, the vaccines are magically almost 80% effective against transmission. AOC must be pissed, because evidently, she didn't get one of the magic ones. Please continue posting data from New York telling us how wonderfully the vaccines are working at preventing infection, as it just continues to reinforce how absurd their data is.

Lol. "Anything that disagrees with my horribly biased priors is misinformation."

You still haven't admitted you were wrong about vaccines and Delta. You have zero intellectual credibility. Basically a Bad-Wigins-level broken record

The vaccines are not performing well, and that is reinforced by the data from Ontario and the UK. Against infection they are essentially worthless and that was essentially stated by the head of the science table that you like to refer to (at the beginning of December, their vaccinated case rates were 20% of unvaccinated, since New Year's eve, they have been about 30% higher than unvaccinated case rates and have held the ratio (a decline in effectiveness of more than 5 times). You might claim that 50% effectiveness against hospitalization is working great (and while it is still better than nothing) it is significantly worse than the 95% effectiveness it was showing with the previous variant. To me, that is a ten-fold drop in efficiency, because instead of having 1 hospitalization among the vaccinated compared to 20 that are unvaccinated, now you have 1 hospitalization among the vaccinated compared to 2 that are unvaccinated. It did exactly as I predicted. The efficacy against infection decreased 5 times and a little later, the efficacy against hospitalization declined 10 times. If that is your idea of "still" working, then you need to get your head checked. This is an epidemic of all because all people can spread it. My triple vaccinated father, mother-in-law, my wife, her uncle, her aunt, her cousin and her cousin's husband, etc. All have gotten Omicron. Basically, everyone I know that is triple vaccinate with the exception of my mother-in-law who stays hidden in her house.

The data from New York isn't misinformation because it disagrees with my presumptions. It's misinformation because it disagrees with much more open data that comes from other government entities that have much better data sharing than the US because it is all single provider. When a place like the UK or Canada breaks out their data, there is a section for the unlinked (basically those patients that claim to be vaccinated, but they cannot positively confirm it in their EHR). There is no such distinction in the data from a place like California or New York, thus it can be assumed that the un-linked data is being thrown into the unvaccinated category (or more appropriately worded, the no vaccination record category). The breakthrough data was only being used by places like the CDC and the state of New York to get more people vaccinated (and they actually enjoyed knowing they were overstating effectiveness, because they figure it would convince more people to get vaccinated).

Please try to comprehend what you post.

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes

Table 9. Hospitalized COVID-19 cases in ICU in the past 120 days in Alberta by vaccine status

12-29 years 7 times as many with three doses vs two

80+ years 6 times as many with three doses vs two

Table 11. COVID-19 deaths, count and rate (per 100,000 population)

12-29 years unvacinnated 4.46

80+ years three doses 21.34

Table 12. COVID-19 deaths in the past 120 days in Alberta by vaccine status (total numbers)

80+ years

three doses 136

two doses 21

pointer outer wrote:

Please try to comprehend what you post.

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes

Table 9. Hospitalized COVID-19 cases in ICU in the past 120 days in Alberta by vaccine status

12-29 years 7 times as many with three doses vs two

80+ years 6 times as many with three doses vs two

Table 11. COVID-19 deaths, count and rate (per 100,000 population)

12-29 years unvacinnated 4.46

80+ years three doses 21.34 (I came up with 123/100,000 though and 16/100,000 with two doses)

Table 12. COVID-19 deaths in the past 120 days in Alberta by vaccine status (total numbers)

80+ years

three doses 136

two doses 21

This doesn't make sense, so I tried to add up the numbers. They don't add up. I come up with different rate from the data with the 80+ with three vaccines for hospitalizations.

It appears that the large number of deaths with the 80+ year category with three doses are not included in the hospitalization cases. Maybe because they died at a nursing home and didn't go to the hospital.

Nice try Twitter post.

pointer outer wrote:

Please try to comprehend what you post.

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes

Table 9. Hospitalized COVID-19 cases in ICU in the past 120 days in Alberta by vaccine status

12-29 years 7 times as many with three doses vs two

80+ years 6 times as many with three doses vs two

Table 11. COVID-19 deaths, count and rate (per 100,000 population)

12-29 years unvacinnated 4.46

80+ years three doses 21.34

Table 12. COVID-19 deaths in the past 120 days in Alberta by vaccine status (total numbers)

80+ years

three doses 136

two doses 21

Alberta data proves a couple of things:

1. Vaccination does nothing to stop transmission: Vaccinated make up 82.60% of active COVID cases, but only make up 79.362% of the population. This further enforces the idea that the data from New York that claims 77% efficiency against infection is pure BS.

2. With respect to Omicron, the vaccines are far less effective against hospitalization than with other variants, as vaccinated individuals account for 62.90% of current hospitalizations and make up 79.362% of the population, which is some protection, but not major protection. There are far more vaccinated individuals in the hospital than at any other point in the pandemic, and it's not even close (about twice as many as delta).

joed|rttyy wrote:

pointer outer wrote:

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes

Alberta data proves a couple of things:

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1. Vaccination does nothing to stop transmission: Vaccinated make up 82.60% of active COVID cases, but only make up 79.362% of the population. This further enforces the idea that the data from New York that claims 77% efficiency against infection is pure BS.

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2. With respect to Omicron, the vaccines are far less effective against hospitalization than with other variants, as vaccinated individuals account for 62.90% of current hospitalizations and make up 79.362% of the population, which is some protection, but not major protection. There are far more vaccinated individuals in the hospital than at any other point in the pandemic, and it's not even close (about twice as many as delta).

From the Alberta link:

--- 63.1% of cases (210,176/333,235) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date

--- 77.8% of hospitalized cases (10,313/13,250) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date

Exactly. Vaccines were working and now they are not.

Harambe wrote:

joed|rttyy wrote:

New York data is about as trustworthy as data from North Korea. Pretty much everybody on the planet is getting Omicron, yet somehow in New York, the vaccines are magically almost 80% effective against transmission. AOC must be pissed, because evidently, she didn't get one of the magic ones. Please continue posting data from New York telling us how wonderfully the vaccines are working at preventing infection, as it just continues to reinforce how absurd their data is.

Lol. "Anything that disagrees with my horribly biased priors is misinformation."

You still haven't admitted you were wrong about vaccines and Delta. You have zero intellectual credibility. Basically a Bad-Wigins-level broken record

Here is a good article from a legitimate medical site that actually breaks down the flaws in the US data tracking as far as breakthrough infections are concerned.

Couple of takeaways:

"The major problem overall is basically selection bias," Stephen Morse, PhD, of Columbia University Medical Center in New York City, wrote in an email to MedPage Today. "Essentially all of these data come from hospitalized patients or those seeking medical attention (such as in the ER), so it will be biased towards the symptomatic individuals, but not necessarily in a systematic way."

"I think that we have a more fragmented public health system than people realize," said Dowdy. "People want to think that there is this nationwide registry that all states kind of buy into, but each state has its own system."

"You're still dealing with very unstandardized data, and that's what's made this very difficult," said Malaty Rivera. "Without federal standards, you're basically looking at 50 disparate systems to describe one thing."

Kansas, for example, is listed as a participating jurisdiction for the CDC's breakthrough tracker. However, Matthew Lara, of the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, told MedPage Today that they were not reporting breakthrough rates.

For now, the U.S. looks to data from countries like the U.K. and Israel for guidance on vaccine effectiveness. These countries have fewer people to monitor, but also more centralized and robust systems for tracking COVID spread.

Basically, data handling in the US is a mess. If you want accurate data, you need to look to the UK and Canada. The coordination of data in the US is a joke.

Stop feeding the troll. Post in the official covid vaccine thread.

Harambe claimed that 80+ years old group with three doses had more immunity than 12-29 year olds who are unvaccinated, and therefore the booster is what really works. The Alberta data shows that is not true and the data does not support Harambe's claim.

pointer outer wrote:

pointer outer wrote:

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes

Harambe claimed that 80+ years old group with three doses had more immunity than 12-29 year olds who are unvaccinated, and therefore the booster is what really works. The Alberta data shows that is not true and the data does not support Harambe's claim.

Per Table 6, the hospitalization rate for 80+ with 3 doses is 143.27 per 100k while the hospitalization rate for 12-29 unvaccinated is 237.54 per 100k, so by hospitalization rate, Harambe's statement is correct. It's not true for death rate (Table 11), in which case the 80+ group is only comparable to 40-49 year old unvaccinated group.

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

pointer outer wrote:

Harambe claimed that 80+ years old group with three doses had more immunity than 12-29 year olds who are unvaccinated, and therefore the booster is what really works. The Alberta data shows that is not true and the data does not support Harambe's claim.

Per Table 6, the hospitalization rate for 80+ with 3 doses is 143.27 per 100k while the hospitalization rate for 12-29 unvaccinated is 237.54 per 100k, so by hospitalization rate, Harambe's statement is correct. It's not true for death rate (Table 11), in which case the 80+ group is only comparable to 40-49 year old unvaccinated group.

The misleading thing about that stat is it covers the last four months. Boosters didn't really take off until the start of December:

So, sure, they will show better performance than the other groups when analyzed over 4 months, simply because for three of the four months, there was almost nobody in the data set (boosters peaked Dec. 22).

Table 11 does not agree with table 12. They transposed the death counts and the death rates of three vs two doses.

The chart probably didn't look right so they swapped them. You might expect more deaths in the three dose category since you would almost certainly need a pre-existing condition to have had three doses and deaths are heavily weighted towards those with such conditions.

joed|rttyy wrote:

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

Per Table 6, the hospitalization rate for 80+ with 3 doses is 143.27 per 100k while the hospitalization rate for 12-29 unvaccinated is 237.54 per 100k, so by hospitalization rate, Harambe's statement is correct. It's not true for death rate (Table 11), in which case the 80+ group is only comparable to 40-49 year old unvaccinated group.

The misleading thing about that stat is it covers the last four months. Boosters didn't really take off until the start of December:

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccinations

So, sure, they will show better performance than the other groups when analyzed over 4 months, simply because for three of the four months, there was almost nobody in the data set (boosters peaked Dec. 22).

66% of the 80+ group had already been boosted by December 1, 2021 per the web archive snapshot of your link.

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

joed|rttyy wrote:

The misleading thing about that stat is it covers the last four months. Boosters didn't really take off until the start of December:

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccinations

So, sure, they will show better performance than the other groups when analyzed over 4 months, simply because for three of the four months, there was almost nobody in the data set (boosters peaked Dec. 22).

66% of the 80+ group had already been boosted by December 1, 2021 per the web archive snapshot of your link.

For the 75+ age group (there isn't a curve for the 80+), it's about 50/50 from Nov. 1, so there is about two months data there for the 4-month timeframe. For all the age groups, about 70% of the boosters took place after Dec. 1. So the rates for the 80+ are actually about double what they are portrayed to be and for boosted as a whole are probably about a quarter of what they actually are since they are analyzed over a 4-month period. You can revisit these numbers in two to three months.

Last week Albert Bourla, the CEO of Pfizer, gave an interview to Yahoo Finance and made some truly startling admissions. He said, among other things, that the two original Pfizer injections provide no protection against COVID-19.

"We know that the two doses of the vaccine offer very limited protection, if any," Bourla confessed.

If, then, you have received the two shots, you are not protected against infection or severe COVID or death. Neither are you less likely to transmit the disease to others than your unvaccinated neighbor or co-worker.

To put it in a different way, the first two jabs you have taken are no good to you at this point.

The problem with natural immunity is that it's free.