Bryce is very legit. Anyway I don't understand why all the attention on RY's London. 3:07 is nothing to write home about. Nor is his 130 24-hour. The discrepancy there with the 149 or whatever 48-hour is clearly on the 48-hour side. That must have been not a serious effort, or maybe some cobbled-together split from something else. Again, NBD.
Bryce had several blogs from his race:
http://www.bryceacarlson.com/blog/tag/running/
Seems like a great guy. It's also clear that he didn't know any of the others before the "race".
uh oh. not good. missing 5k split at brighton.
http://results.active.com/events/brighton-marathon-2016/men-s-overall/robert-young
Just a reminder to those who are soaking up the creative inspiration at Cannes Lions this weekend.
Jaimie Fuller, chairman of SKINS, (RY sponsor, defender) is giving a talk Sunday on how “SKINS unleashed their purpose by challenging what is harming the sports industry – corruption and cheating.â€
https://www.skins.net/usa/blog/how-purpose-gives-your-mojo
He’ll be joined by Ben Johnson, who is now “Committed to the cause of fairness in sport.â€
https://twitter.com/BenJohnson979?ref_src=twsrc
^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
uh oh not good wrote:
uh oh. not good. missing 5k split at brighton.
http://results.active.com/events/brighton-marathon-2016/men-s-overall/robert-young
Am I reading this right? He drops a 5.30 first mile then crawls home in 3.30, which is about 8 min pace. Who does that? The guy obviously has serious mental problems.
I was sure you were making this up. I am really shocked to find out this is real.
i hate cheats wrote:
I'm still not sure what's the story about his cycling. Somehow I think he probably had some connection, maybe briefly, with some team, but not A level and maybe only on training rides, and has exaggerated it. I don't know much about cycling to know.
Where's the link to his duathlon time? In a short duathlon (like one that has only 14k of running), a pretty-decent amateur will average over 25 mph on the bike. Anyone remotely approaching elite will be 28+ mph depending on the course.
Inconsequential in this particular instance. First mile and 10k splits are reasonable. Each subsequent 5k shows a gradual slowing until the end, where he speeds up a bit.
As an aside, isn't it ususual that RY never seems to run even or negative splits -- like I would expect from an ultra runner -- but prefers a fly and die approach?
Not inspired wrote:
Just a reminder to those who are soaking up the creative inspiration at Cannes Lions this weekend.
Jaimie Fuller, chairman of SKINS, (RY sponsor, defender) is giving a talk Sunday on how “SKINS unleashed their purpose by challenging what is harming the sports industry – corruption and cheating.â€
https://www.skins.net/usa/blog/how-purpose-gives-your-mojoHe’ll be joined by Ben Johnson, who is now “Committed to the cause of fairness in sport.â€
https://twitter.com/BenJohnson979?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
For stuff like this, you should use reverse psychology to get the message across. Go there with signs saying stuff like "I Believe Rob Young" and "Rob Young is My Savoir". Walk around and act a little crazy. When the Skins people speak, be sure to stand up and wave your signs silently to get their attention.
spearchucker wrote:
As an aside, isn't it ususual that RY never seems to run even or negative splits -- like I would expect from an ultra runner -- but prefers a fly and die approach?
Sadly, not at all unusual. Actually in ultras it's pretty rare to find even or negative splits. Accumulated muscle damage is I think the biggest reason. But when ultrarunners drop down to marathon, yes, you would think they would be better pacers. But it ain't so.
I emailed the organiser of the Race Across USA about how the event was adjudicated and were any of the runs recorded for Strava but got no reply. Looked for all the core team on Strava and only found Van Soye and the previously discussed RY account.
I also msgd someone on FB the other day who was posting on the RY page saying she had once done a transcon. She has a Strava account and I asked her if her transcon run is on there (as I don't know the date to look for it) but got no reply.
Bob Hearn wrote:
spearchucker wrote:As an aside, isn't it ususual that RY never seems to run even or negative splits -- like I would expect from an ultra runner -- but prefers a fly and die approach?
Sadly, not at all unusual. Actually in ultras it's pretty rare to find even or negative splits. Accumulated muscle damage is I think the biggest reason. But when ultrarunners drop down to marathon, yes, you would think they would be better pacers. But it ain't so.
Pretty hard to run a negative split when you take out the first mile in 5.23!
If I were to do a trans con, I would just speed walk the whole way and break the record. No use actually running since it's not an efficient gait for such long distances.
Last year, Zach Bitter set a new world record for 100 miles on the track in a time of 11:40:55 (7:01 mile pace). And we're to believe that Robert Young, a much less talented runner and running continuous daily long distances, covered 100 plus miles in about 11 hours on the road. Not only does that smell really bad on first blush, it's actually humanly impossible. My BS meter is pretty much pinned into the red zone right now.
He ran the first mile in 5:30 so he could separate himself from the crowd, and then at mile 2.5 walked across the street to cut off 2+ miles of the course, but missing the 5k split. http://i.imgur.com/Mr1OK0R.pngThat puts him at 10k in 40 minutes. (average ~20 minutes per 5k). For every 5k after that he splits at 28-30 minutes.
uh oh not good wrote:
uh oh. not good. missing 5k split at brighton.
http://results.active.com/events/brighton-marathon-2016/men-s-overall/robert-young
Lakers wrote:
tiredsomemore wrote:This is amusing:
http://www.runultra.co.uk/Articles/October-2015/Q-A-Rob-Young-MarathonManUK-no-2Quote 'The next day was the London Marathon. I had to run it very quickly in order to catch my plane back to the US for the rest of the series I was running over there. It was all tight margins and I had a motorbike waiting at the finish to whisk me off to Heathrow as soon as I was done. I threw in a quick pace and stopped for a good 20 minutes in the middle of the race to do some interviews and say hello to some friends who had come down to the race to see me.'
Really - stopped for 20 minutes in the middle? - the timing splits show a 1:22 at half way and you can see from his splits that the only place he could have stopped was between 35 and 40k - but still not for anything like 20 minutes. What a load of BS!
http://results-2015.virginmoneylondonmarathon.com/2015/?content=detail&fpid=search&pid=search&idp=9999990F5ECC83000016BBF2&lang=EN_CAP&event=MAS&search%5Bname%5D=young&search%5Bfirstname%5D=robert&search%5Bsex%5D=%25&search%5Bnation%5D=%25&search_sort=name&search_event=MASTo be fair, he doesn't say it was twenty continous minutes, it could have been several stops totaling twenty minutes. Or he could just be an overweight, snaggle toothed fraud.
So, RY's bib number at London 2015 is 2476.
these are his splits (prob won't copy/paste well):
Split Time Of Day Time Diff min/km km/h Place
5K 10:27:37 00:17:31 17:31 03:31 17.13 -
10K 10:46:37 00:36:31 19:00 03:48 15.79 -
15K 11:06:25 00:56:20 19:49 03:58 15.14 -
20K 11:27:54 01:17:48 21:28 04:18 13.97 -
HALF 11:32:24 01:22:18 04:30 04:06 14.65 -
25K 11:49:25 01:39:20 17:02 04:22 13.75 -
30K 12:12:34 02:02:28 23:08 04:38 12.97 -
35K 12:36:28 02:26:22 23:54 04:47 12.55 -
40K 13:08:20 02:58:14 31:52 06:23 9.41 -
FINISH 13:17:45 03:07:40 09:26 04:18 13.98
From these splits it doesn't look like he stopped to talk to anyone on-route.
I know the course and I've checked out his photos (link from his results page) and there is a photo of him passing Cutty Sark (boat) behind him are runners number 797 and 900 (both of whom finished in sub 2.40 with reasonable pacing and ran faster HM splits than him. Cutty Sark is around 6.5 miles into the race so it seems to me that he did run it all - he just went off like an idiot - first 5km downhill remember - and then slowed all the way after that. His 1.22 HM means that yes, he could be a decent runner if he trained properly.
So bearing in mind that he looked fit in the RA USA around that time, he was somehow training himself whilst on that multi day run in the US. So, I for one don't believe he was putting in all the miles on that event. Maybe run hard for 2 miles (good bit of tempo training every day) someone picks him up in a car & drops him further down course (same person who gets him to and from the US airports for his trip to London marathon) - he jogs home for 10-15 miles (good endurance training) = gets fit for London marathon.
Thanks for the duathlon splits. Very middling running times, particularly the last split. Also, the bike times are not at all representative of anyone with any biking talent, not to mention someone who could sniff a professional team.
I find it VERY hard to believe that just one year later he would be putting up a 3rd place triathlon finish, even though I confess that long-course skills are somewhat different than this two-hour stint.
i hate cheats wrote:
Certainly worth investigating his London 2015 time.
There are many photos of him at various stages during that race and he hit all the chip mats. Cheating not likely there.
rojo wrote:
Ok. So I went away for 24+ hours and nearly missed 1000 posts. During the last 24 hours it appears the following has happened. Here is the cliff notes version.
1) Rob Young has developed an injury. He has a stress fracture of a toe and cellulitis as shown by his facebook post here:
https://www.facebook.com/marathonmanuk/posts/10281494306026482) Laz has stopped following Rob Young as he feels that RY's quest for the record is over and he doesn't want to be responsible for his death.
Laz wrote in part,
Laz wrote:in the final tally,
I am done because I do not want to be party to putting RY in the hospital.
last night, when he did go, was enough.
having seen his physical condition when we left,
I was afraid he might have serious issues.
the "run", for all intents and purposes, is over.
the required daily average, and his maximum daily potential met yesterday.
it was his second 60 mile day while we were here
and, this time it took the entire 24 hours to get it.
the death spiral was complete.
just to stay on pace he had to match yesterday's effort.
with no rest in between.
and he had to do that every day the rest of the run.
that is out of the picture.
looking at the tracker, he has still not moved today.
it is over.
That leads me to two questions.
1) Is anyone tracking Rob Young now. If he was cheating before, one woudl thnk he'd cheat again?
I emailed one of the guys with Laz and left a voice mail to try to find out.
2) Is RY still going at it?
-Rojo
PS. I'm off to dinner and will probablyl have 300 posts to read when I return.
Since you didn't have to purchase any GPS watches, fly in any experts, or bribe anyone for data, perhaps you could buy the RV when they return it and repurpose it as the LRC Mobile Cheat Detction Lab. Ready to roll out for transcon runs, the West Wyoming Marathon, the VIA Marathon, etc., etc., etc.
