The Trials and Tribulations of Running YouTubers

She’ll be able to milk her ‘Olympic dream’ for a few more years yet, sadly.

Jake Barraclough posts up a 70k run in 4hr33 (4hr45 elapsed). Huge

12 minutes seems a long time for a poo, he'll need to improve that if he ever considers a career in ultra running.

As the offisial Ko-respondent, latest 1 hr Sydney video looked nice, his group run looked quite big with lot´s other people than plain white milkchocolate yuutubers....

I've said it before on this very thread that London broke Phily.

I think her training in the run up to London had gone well and she genuinely believed she was in PB shape. I think she let herself believe that it was going to be her day, in front of a home crowd.

Then the actual race rolled round and she had a stinker. Since then, she's been clearly casting around trying to fix what went wrong on the day, but it just comes across as increasingly erratic and desperate. I think the irony is that she just had a bad day on an unfamiliar course and it really wasn't much deeper than that.

I do feel a bit sorry for her, but at the same time it's quite frustrating that she seems to have forgotten the lesson that most runners learn early on in their journeys, i.e. that running (and particularly the marathon) doesn't owe you anything.

Maybe Chicago will provide some redemption, but if not, I think it would be the right moment to press pause and reflect a bit more deeply.

I can't wait for Jake to start ultra running - not that I even watch it. I think he's way more talented than most top ultra runners. Jim Walmsley's marathon PR is slower than Jakes. I feel like he occupies a space where he's not quite talented enough to compete internationally in the marathon but with his story telling and personality could make real waves in the ultra world!

the race video will probably be "no time to die" about another big swing and a miss. then she'll change the title overnight when someone comments that's misleading clickbait and the name of a popular movie. the comment will be deleted in the morning. poof.

I agree that London seems to have messed with her head. She has clearly lost confidence and she now seems to question everything, it is definitely coming across as erratic and desperate. I feel sorry for her coach it’d be frustrating to coach.

She just needs to relax and follow the program without overthinking everything. The way she stresses over the progressive long run is weird, she is a professional marathon runner, she should be looking forward to those big sessions.
She was in good shape before London but underestimated the conditions and how hard a women’s only marathon is compared to a marathon where you have a personal pacer and groups to run with. It’s not the end of the world she had a bad race, just forget about it and move on to the next one.

The couple of sly remarks about Let’s run shows where her head’s at, why her and Daniel are even reading this thread is strange. With her mental frailty, she should be staying as far away from this thread as possible. Nothing good will come from her reading it.

Do we know what Jake is like on trails/with hills? He may have a faster marathon PR than Jim but I'm pretty sure Jim wasn't focused on the marathon when he set that- was it not a little sideways step into the olympic trials rather than a real marathon block? Jake seemed to do well in that 'run until you drop' ultra but that was just flat on roads as far as I remember. If that is his preferred ultra terrain then it limits his options quite significantly.

Thoughts on The Running Channel? I find their podcast entertaining and videos with the better runners are enjoyable but the constant pushing of 'regular runners' is tiresome, particularly with the Tom bloke who clearly hates running and doesn't even try to improve.

I've turned off multiple videos where they keep banging on about how hard it is running as a full-time mum whilst doing an easy run.

Tbf I think I agree with previous posters that you can see a lot of youtubers reading this thread. Look at how Ben is Running, and I think Cole too pivoted to try and make Clayton young style docu-vids (esp. BiR's real miss of his Stockholm video) - I think that's definitely off the back of how popular Clayton Young's series have been on here.

Then Nick Bester as well - is it coincidence that he suddenly became so keen to lean into Jake Barraclough's training style and him personally on his own content? In his stupid illegal shoe video I think he's also trying to copy the Crown my Run style of comedic voice over (see his odd joke attempts and "heheheh"s), but because it's a genuinely difficult thing to do it just fell flat to me.

With Philly, I don’t think reading this thread will be beneficial to her.

YouTubers will follow what is popular, it’s a bit of the nature of the game.
they don’t need to read this thread to see what is getting views and what isn’t but I’m sure plenty of them do read it to get a gauge on what is popular, and nothing wrong with that as long as you can take the criticism and not let it get to you.

I think Andy's very intelligent and thoughtful and has some great advice, and they do sometimes get some good guests onto the podcast, like the doping in sports journalist the other week. And some of their challenges are really quite fun to watch.

But I don't like all of their presenters, and it's mostly aimed at relative beginners and I don't mind it because it's absolutely not pretending to be anything else, but there's a lot of stuff that I simply skip.

Walmsley has a 64min half and a 2:15 marathon..from his one and only marathon (I think he could do better with specific training). And then there's the fact he can drop low 5min miles after running for 5 hours up and down literal mountains as demonstrated at OCC last week. And yeah he only won the two most prestigious 100 milers UTMB and Western States. Sure, there are a lot of faster marathoners than him but I'm sick of reading on Let's run that just because someone is fast at road races they could beat Walmsley at ultras. Nope.

Praying for the GOAT and OG.

It's more of a curiosity - I was not dismissing the talent of the top guys. However, Jake seems to at least have the raw road talent the best ones have. Tom Evans who just one UTMB is a little slower than Jake on the roads. Of course, we are yet to see Jake run on trails! However, he seems to have way more resilience than runners with similar road talent (e.g., Cole)

And his marathon was run on a tough course (Atlanta Olympic trials). Rupp was the only runner under 2:10.

Cole back out today for a 27k run with 30 x 1 min mixed in.

The lad is on the fast track to serious, life changing illness and doesnt seem to understand