agip wrote:
the good news is that the deplorables are losing badly. Trump gets his 42% against any Dem, and that's that. Not enough to win.
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1138504022158204929
He is underwater by 5%, or more, against the top SIX democratic candidates. It is no wonder that he is disinterested in his 2020 reelection campaign -- except for any money he can take out of the donations to line his own pockets.
Flagpole wrote:
I see defenders of Trump have really fallen off lately. Not feeling so froggy, eh?
When all the dust settles, containing all the Propecia and blonde hair dye and KFC Buckets and McDonald's cheeseburger wrappers, I will levy the I Told You So that I have promised is coming. BUT, those Trumpers will likely not be here to read it. I will provide it anyway.
Until then...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Your schict got tired 2 years ago. Give it a rest for everyone's sake.
agip wrote:
the good news is that the deplorables are losing badly. Trump gets his 42% against any Dem, and that's that. Not enough to win.
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1138504022158204929
So Trump has no chance in 2020? LOL. Those who forget history, agip, are doomed to repeat it. Keep telling us that Trump has no chance to win next year. We heard it time and time and time and time and time again prior to the 2016 election.
no interest wrote:
agip wrote:
the good news is that the deplorables are losing badly. Trump gets his 42% against any Dem, and that's that. Not enough to win.
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1138504022158204929He is underwater by 5%, or more, against the top SIX democratic candidates. It is no wonder that he is disinterested in his 2020 reelection campaign -- except for any money he can take out of the donations to line his own pockets.
I hate Trump as much as the next guy, but he's not going to pocket any donations.
People talk about him helping his businesses by being president, but his "brand" has taken a huge hit. The condos in the buildings with his name on it are not selling well and his office buildings are losing tennants.
Before he ran for president he was disliked in Manhattan and the real estate industry, but his lifestyle, image as a business tycoon and his T.V. show were appealing to others. Now, over 50% of the population despises him. His most profitable business over the last few years was to license his name to condo developments, but that that opportunity will be gone forever. I've also read that some of his golf courses are not doing well.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
no interest wrote:
He is underwater by 5%, or more, against the top SIX democratic candidates. It is no wonder that he is disinterested in his 2020 reelection campaign -- except for any money he can take out of the donations to line his own pockets.
I hate Trump as much as the next guy, but he's not going to pocket any donations.
People talk about him helping his businesses by being president, but his "brand" has taken a huge hit. The condos in the buildings with his name on it are not selling well and his office buildings are losing tennants.
Before he ran for president he was disliked in Manhattan and the real estate industry, but his lifestyle, image as a business tycoon and his T.V. show were appealing to others. Now, over 50% of the population despises him. His most profitable business over the last few years was to license his name to condo developments, but that that opportunity will be gone forever. I've also read that some of his golf courses are not doing well.
Trump has hardly taken a "hit." A couple of Forbes writers estimate that Trump rakes in annually from the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China $175 million each year. He continues to make 100s of millions in other ventures.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2018-03-05/how-is-donald-trump-profiting-from-the-presidency-let-us-count-the-waysSDSU Aztec wrote:
no interest wrote:
He is underwater by 5%, or more, against the top SIX democratic candidates. It is no wonder that he is disinterested in his 2020 reelection campaign -- except for any money he can take out of the donations to line his own pockets.
I hate Trump as much as the next guy, but he's not going to pocket any donations.
People talk about him helping his businesses by being president, but his "brand" has taken a huge hit. The condos in the buildings with his name on it are not selling well and his office buildings are losing tennants.
Before he ran for president he was disliked in Manhattan and the real estate industry, but his lifestyle, image as a business tycoon and his T.V. show were appealing to others. Now, over 50% of the population despises him. His most profitable business over the last few years was to license his name to condo developments, but that that opportunity will be gone forever. I've also read that some of his golf courses are not doing well.
You seem to be unaware that Trump is using campaign donations to lease a yuge amount of no-one-wants-to-lease space in his own building. Trump is also using campaign donations to pay his legal expenses.
https://bipartisanreport.com/2019/02/08/trump-way-over-charged-his-own-campaign-for-space-in-trump-tower/https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/politics/trump-campaign-legal-fees/index.htmlDeer Dotard Sally: Your link is to a webpage that tells how Trump is "illegally" profiting from the presidency. The first few lines from your link. "I WROTE FRIDAY ABOUT some of the various ways creeping Trumpism is infecting our system of governance, whether through practices that are sketchy or possibly even illegal: Questionable travel practices, unqualified appointees, whether family members, cronies or fringy neophytes and of course the old fashioned using one's position of power to line one's own pockets."
Sally Vix wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
I hate Trump as much as the next guy, but he's not going to pocket any donations.
People talk about him helping his businesses by being president, but his "brand" has taken a huge hit. The condos in the buildings with his name on it are not selling well and his office buildings are losing tennants.
Before he ran for president he was disliked in Manhattan and the real estate industry, but his lifestyle, image as a business tycoon and his T.V. show were appealing to others. Now, over 50% of the population despises him. His most profitable business over the last few years was to license his name to condo developments, but that that opportunity will be gone forever. I've also read that some of his golf courses are not doing well.
Trump has hardly taken a "hit." A couple of Forbes writers estimate that Trump rakes in annually from the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China $175 million each year. He continues to make 100s of millions in other ventures.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2018-03-05/how-is-donald-trump-profiting-from-the-presidency-let-us-count-the-ways
Oh, Wait!! wrote:
Deer Dotard Sally: Your link is to a webpage that tells how Trump is "illegally" profiting from the presidency. The first few lines from your link.
"I WROTE FRIDAY ABOUT some of the various ways creeping Trumpism is infecting our system of governance, whether through practices that are sketchy or possibly even illegal: Questionable travel practices, unqualified appointees, whether family members, cronies or fringy neophytes and of course the old fashioned using one's position of power to line one's own pockets."
Sally Vix wrote:
Trump has hardly taken a "hit." A couple of Forbes writers estimate that Trump rakes in annually from the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China $175 million each year. He continues to make 100s of millions in other ventures.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2018-03-05/how-is-donald-trump-profiting-from-the-presidency-let-us-count-the-ways
If he is illegally profiting from the presidency, why are not charges brought against him? Oh ... no sitting president can be indicted. Well effing IMPEACH the MF guy!
Sally Vix wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
I hate Trump as much as the next guy, but he's not going to pocket any donations.
People talk about him helping his businesses by being president, but his "brand" has taken a huge hit. The condos in the buildings with his name on it are not selling well and his office buildings are losing tennants.
Before he ran for president he was disliked in Manhattan and the real estate industry, but his lifestyle, image as a business tycoon and his T.V. show were appealing to others. Now, over 50% of the population despises him. His most profitable business over the last few years was to license his name to condo developments, but that that opportunity will be gone forever. I've also read that some of his golf courses are not doing well.
Trump has hardly taken a "hit." A couple of Forbes writers estimate that Trump rakes in annually from the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China $175 million each year. He continues to make 100s of millions in other ventures.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2018-03-05/how-is-donald-trump-profiting-from-the-presidency-let-us-count-the-ways
We'd have to have a look at all of his businesses and assets to really know, but here is an article from Forbes on the subject:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2018/10/02/how-trump-is-tryingand-failingto-get-rich-off-his-presidency/amp/Sally Vix wrote:
Oh, Wait!! wrote:
Deer Dotard Sally: Your link is to a webpage that tells how Trump is "illegally" profiting from the presidency. The first few lines from your link.
"I WROTE FRIDAY ABOUT some of the various ways creeping Trumpism is infecting our system of governance, whether through practices that are sketchy or possibly even illegal: Questionable travel practices, unqualified appointees, whether family members, cronies or fringy neophytes and of course the old fashioned using one's position of power to line one's own pockets."
If he is illegally profiting from the presidency, why are not charges brought against him? Oh ... no sitting president can be indicted. Well effing IMPEACH the MF guy!
Ever heard of William Barr? How about Mitch McConnell?
DisBarred wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
If he is illegally profiting from the presidency, why are not charges brought against him? Oh ... no sitting president can be indicted. Well effing IMPEACH the MF guy!
Ever heard of William Barr? How about Mitch McConnell?
Those two would not be involved in the impeachment process. At least as far as bringing formal charges against him.
Sally Vix wrote:
DisBarred wrote:
Ever heard of William Barr? How about Mitch McConnell?
Those two would not be involved in the impeachment process. At least as far as bringing formal charges against him.
You are dumb.
Barr: A sitting president CANNOT be indicated.
McConnell: No Senate action will be taken on impeachment.
Sally Vix wrote:
Your schict got tired 2 years ago. Give it a rest for everyone's sake.
My schict?
Mueller is coming (believe it!).
The clown is done (know it!).
Is it just me, or is Trump really not that much different than what a Hillary Clinton presidency would have been?
Seriously, when you cut through all the noise and rhetoric and look at what Trump has actually fought for, I don't see a lot of differences.
Foreign Policy-
Its the same basic foreign policy we had under Obama of fighting small, silent wars all over Africa and the Middle East. Of course Trump had to declare that anything Obama did was a total disaster. So basically Trump increased military spending by about $50 billion and sided more with Saudi Arabia then Iran. But he is also not escalating a war in Afghanistan like Obama did. Its just rearranging the furniture on the Titanic.
Healthcare -
Again, look at the healthcare system we have now. Its not that different from what Obama left us. Trump made some changes. But at the end of the day, the private insurance health industry like Obamacare. Obama already sold out to the same industry that controls Republicans. Trump did nothing to fight to fundamentally change the system.
Taxes-
As an accountant who has worked on taxes professionally I know what I'm talking about on this matter. The difference between Trump and Hillary is just a matter of how best to reward corporate interests. That's it. Trump supported a corporate tax rate cut. Hillary supported keeping the tax rates the same but hollowing it for the wealth through things like tax credits to invest in low income housing. Meanwhile, whether you know it or not Obama kept much of the Bush tax cuts and those were going to remain in place even if Hillary was President. A lot of American made out better on their taxes largely because of the expansion of the child tax credit. Which is actually a tax break championed and originated by Bill Clinton.
Trade and Immigration-
You would think this is the one issue where Trump has totally transformed U.S. policy. But look what we have. There is no wall. For all the headline of immigration arrests, illegal migration continues and U.S. business continue to have access to cheap foreign labor. The "border tax" had serious merit but Trump did nothing to fight for that. Trump's tax system actually rewards all the more U.S. corporations doing business in foreign lands. A trade deal was struck with Mexico and Canada that is reportedly not that much different than what we have had under the old NAFTA.
The only thing that is remotely transformative is the tariffs and those can go away any time. This is Donald Trump we are talking about so obviously at some point there is going to be a "deal" with China. I'm not holding my breath for any serious permanent change to occur when a deal is struck.
Honesty and Integrity -
Donald trump has little honesty and integrity. But the truth is Hillary did shady stuff even if it was legal. The Clinton foundation was more a conduit to do political favors and gain political allies. There was a very Nixonian feel to Hillary.
That is how I see things. Am I wrong?
On foreign policy, Trump has weakened our alliances and given legitimacy to to dictators.
On healthcare Trump has weakened the ACE, fewer people have coverage and no alternative has been designed.
On trade, Trump has broken up collective deals and made cost controls impossible because he has created uncertainty in markets.
L L wrote:
On foreign policy, Trump has weakened our alliances and given legitimacy to to dictators.
On healthcare Trump has weakened the ACE, fewer people have coverage and no alternative has been designed.
On trade, Trump has broken up collective deals and made cost controls impossible because he has created uncertainty in markets.
On the environment, Tiny actively supports poisoning our air and water. No Democrat would do that.
L L wrote:
On foreign policy, Trump has weakened our alliances and given legitimacy to to dictators.
On healthcare Trump has weakened the ACE, fewer people have coverage and no alternative has been designed.
On trade, Trump has broken up collective deals and made cost controls impossible because he has created uncertainty in markets.
Question for clarification: What are you referring to when you use the phrase "cost controls"?
Ryan Foreman wrote:
Is it just me, or is Trump really not that much different than what a Hillary Clinton presidency would have been?
Seriously, when you cut through all the noise and rhetoric and look at what Trump has actually fought for, I don't see a lot of differences.
Foreign Policy-
Its the same basic foreign policy we had under Obama of fighting small, silent wars all over Africa and the Middle East. Of course Trump had to declare that anything Obama did was a total disaster. So basically Trump increased military spending by about $50 billion and sided more with Saudi Arabia then Iran. But he is also not escalating a war in Afghanistan like Obama did. Its just rearranging the furniture on the Titanic.
Healthcare -
Again, look at the healthcare system we have now. Its not that different from what Obama left us. Trump made some changes. But at the end of the day, the private insurance health industry like Obamacare. Obama already sold out to the same industry that controls Republicans. Trump did nothing to fight to fundamentally change the system.
Taxes-
As an accountant who has worked on taxes professionally I know what I'm talking about on this matter. The difference between Trump and Hillary is just a matter of how best to reward corporate interests. That's it. Trump supported a corporate tax rate cut. Hillary supported keeping the tax rates the same but hollowing it for the wealth through things like tax credits to invest in low income housing. Meanwhile, whether you know it or not Obama kept much of the Bush tax cuts and those were going to remain in place even if Hillary was President. A lot of American made out better on their taxes largely because of the expansion of the child tax credit. Which is actually a tax break championed and originated by Bill Clinton.
Trade and Immigration-
You would think this is the one issue where Trump has totally transformed U.S. policy. But look what we have. There is no wall. For all the headline of immigration arrests, illegal migration continues and U.S. business continue to have access to cheap foreign labor. The "border tax" had serious merit but Trump did nothing to fight for that. Trump's tax system actually rewards all the more U.S. corporations doing business in foreign lands. A trade deal was struck with Mexico and Canada that is reportedly not that much different than what we have had under the old NAFTA.
The only thing that is remotely transformative is the tariffs and those can go away any time. This is Donald Trump we are talking about so obviously at some point there is going to be a "deal" with China. I'm not holding my breath for any serious permanent change to occur when a deal is struck.
Honesty and Integrity -
Donald trump has little honesty and integrity. But the truth is Hillary did shady stuff even if it was legal. The Clinton foundation was more a conduit to do political favors and gain political allies. There was a very Nixonian feel to Hillary.
That is how I see things. Am I wrong?
Foreign Policy - Foreign Policy is more than just wars. Trump has snuggled up to murderous dictators around the world, heavily praising them and giving undue credence to Kim Jung Un by meeting with him. He has alienated our traditional allies. Hillary Clinton never would have done those things.
Healthcare - Trump has weakened the Affordable Care Act. Some have lost coverage, and it will need some serious righting of the ship by the next administration to make it viable going forward. Hillary Clinton would not have done that.
Taxes - Just bald-faced lies from Trump and Republicans about what that "tax break" would mean. Also, Trump took credit for something he really had no hand in at all. Just par for the course with him. Hillary Clinton would not have pressed for such a tax cut.
Trade and Immigration - Regarding Trade, those stupid tariffs are hurting AMERICANS, not punishing China. A completely idiotic move. Hillary Clinton never would have done that. Regarding Immigration, the fact that there is no wall is only because Trump is incompetent. He of course WANTS a wall, and wanting that stupid wall and imposing tariffs is continuing to fuel the us vs. them mentality that he has stoked, and let's be clear, it's white people vs. brown people that he supports. Obama was already the "Deporter-In-Chief". We didn't need some a-hole racist to come in a demonize whole groups of people. Hillary Clinton never would have done that.
Honesty and Integrity - That Hillary Clinton is not a perfect person does not make her equivalent to Trump in this way at all. Donald J. Trump is amoral. He is a serial liar. He very likely has a personality disorder which aids his complete lack of honesty and integrity. Hillary Clinton is a saint in comparison to Trump.
So, yeah, it's you. It's not "just" you though because there are a lot of stupid and ignorant people out there regarding these issues, but you are wrong on every one of those points, and horribly so.
That's "Kim Jong-un."