"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

I hate replying to you because you are a troll, but I enjoy it when it's clear you never actually ready anything - just wait to be told what to say.

Look at table S3 all my claims are there - as a bonus: prior infection is 0.78 HR!

2600 bro wrote:

I hate replying to you because you are a troll, but I enjoy it when it's clear you never actually ready anything - just wait to be told what to say.

Look at table S3 all my claims are there - as a bonus: prior infection is 0.78 HR!

Actually if you look at SGTF cases (a proxy for Omicron) you see that a previous infection INCREASES your risk of hospitalization (for all cases, included inpatient testing). HR of 1.33!!

"Natural immunity" HURTS?!

Obviously this isn't true. The confidence intervals are huge. There are many confounders.

But this is something that the antivaxxers would slobber over if it was 'vaccine' and not 'prior infection.'

Harambe wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

I hate replying to you because you are a troll, but I enjoy it when it's clear you never actually ready anything - just wait to be told what to say.

Look at table S3 all my claims are there - as a bonus: prior infection is 0.78 HR!

Actually if you look at SGTF cases (a proxy for Omicron) you see that a previous infection INCREASES your risk of hospitalization (for all cases, included inpatient testing). HR of 1.33!!

"Natural immunity" HURTS?!

Obviously this isn't true. The confidence intervals are huge. There are many confounders.

But this is something that the antivaxxers would slobber over if it was 'vaccine' and not 'prior infection.'

Trumps child has spoken.

Noyankee wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Actually if you look at SGTF cases (a proxy for Omicron) you see that a previous infection INCREASES your risk of hospitalization (for all cases, included inpatient testing). HR of 1.33!!

"Natural immunity" HURTS?!

Obviously this isn't true. The confidence intervals are huge. There are many confounders.

But this is something that the antivaxxers would slobber over if it was 'vaccine' and not 'prior infection.'

Trumps child has spoken.

I think he may be my child.

DanM wrote:

Which is why the Great Barrington Declaration advocated for protection of people in high risk groups while the rest of us continued living normal lives.

Fauci, Collins and their media friends made a devastating take down of that approach a top priority.

That's all well and good until you become a caregiver for someone in a high risk category.

Sure you do...quit lying. Wasn't it you that was posting the obituaries & celebrating the deaths of several of those Conservative talkshow hosts that succumbed to the virus? Why are changing your tune now? Based on your ad nuseam antagonistic & sinister posts against us unvaccinated, you were basically calling us the scumbags of the Earth & hope we would parish. Now all of sudden you think we're worthy of living - just "clowns" who should be "ridiculed." Lol. You pro-vaxx mandate tyrants make me effin sick! 🤮

Harambe wrote:

joed|rt! wrote:

About how old are you Harambe? I'm in my late 40s. And how old is your buddy 2600 Bro? I'm trying to determine where your high level of fear comes from.

Oops, forgot to answer your question. I was born on May 27th, 1999.

FFS..."1999?" No wonder you're so immature. Lol.

Are you a college kid or just a foot soldier for the industry? (I suppose you could be both. 🤔).

Conservative Right-Winger wrote:

antivaxxers killing-democracy wrote:

I might think antivaxxers are clowns and should be ridiculed, but that doesn’t mean I want to see them die.

Sure you do...quit lying. Wasn't it you that was posting the obituaries & celebrating the deaths of several of those Conservative talkshow hosts that succumbed to the virus? Why are changing your tune now? Based on your ad nuseam antagonistic & sinister posts against us unvaccinated, you were basically calling us the scumbags of the Earth & hope we would parish. Now all of sudden you think we're worthy of living - just "clowns" who should be "ridiculed." Lol. You pro-vaxx mandate tyrants make me effin sick! 🤮

Yes, this lunatic is lying. He most definitely has posted that he wishes death on the unvaxxed and his issue will be that old Karma thing.

Noyankee wrote:

Conservative Right-Winger wrote:

Sure you do...quit lying. Wasn't it you that was posting the obituaries & celebrating the deaths of several of those Conservative talkshow hosts that succumbed to the virus? Why are changing your tune now? Based on your ad nuseam antagonistic & sinister posts against us unvaccinated, you were basically calling us the scumbags of the Earth & hope we would parish. Now all of sudden you think we're worthy of living - just "clowns" who should be "ridiculed." Lol. You pro-vaxx mandate tyrants make me effin sick! 🤮

Yes, this lunatic is lying. He most definitely has posted that he wishes death on the unvaxxed and his issue will be that old Karma thing.

As expected, antivaxxers are still making claims without any evidence.

As expected, antivaxxers are still making claims without any evidence.[/quote]

Not sure this is "anti-vaxx" evidence...cause I'm not sure anymore what people mean when they use that term...but here is a bit to at least get one thinking in a more balanced way:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264262v1

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34849657/

https://www.saveusnow.org.uk/covid-vaccine-scientific-proof-lethal/

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DLlRa9rUqvW9pG1vNEsWMEydWwsmSMbe/view

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v3

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v3

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-reported-us-omicron-cases-have-hit-fully-vaccinated-cdc-2021-12-10/

Conservative Right-Winger wrote:

FFS..."1999?" No wonder you're so immature. Lol.

Are you a college kid or just a foot soldier for the industry? (I suppose you could be both. 🤔).

What's a quick way to get anti-vaxxers to repeatedly and willingly confess that they're fairly dumb, with limited ability to understand popular cultural allusions and absolutely no sense of humor?

colder and wiser wrote:

Conservative Right-Winger wrote:

FFS..."1999?" No wonder you're so immature. Lol.

Are you a college kid or just a foot soldier for the industry? (I suppose you could be both. 🤔).

What's a quick way to get anti-vaxxers to repeatedly and willingly confess that they're fairly dumb, with limited ability to understand popular cultural allusions and absolutely no sense of humor?

Your post is stupid - and you're obviously a Liberal so you're my adversary anyway. Lol. I'm not against vaccination but I'm pro-informed consent & an advocate of bodily autonomy (I could give a f who takes the vaccine). I also have post-infection immunity with robust T cells from a bout of the Delta variant I experienced last Sept. You can spout off your ad nuseam anti-vaxxer characterization all you want - I don't really give flying f. The Liberal M.O is that anyone who is pro-choice/informed consent & supports bodily autonomy is characterized as an "anti-vaxxer" anyway...so it doesn't matter how the term is applied to people anymore. And I don't associate or have any friends or acquaintances that are Liberal anyway. It's only like-minded Conservatives that I have anything do with these days. The Liberals & I stay as far away as we can from each other. When I'm at the gym bodybuilding I stay away from them & they stay away from me. No asking one another for a spot or anything like that. Complete silence or ignorance of one another if we happen to be in the locker room. And this is the segregation that Liberals want as well - so we're all happy campers with this moving forward.

Here's what's all about: The pandemic is purely political & a polarization of the two parties. All the Republican governors signed executive orders prohibited vaccine mandates, passports & the like. All of the Democratic governors refused to sign any executive orders that would prohibit such. Many Democratic mayors of large cities have signed excecutive orders authorizing very strict vaccine mandates & passports, that don't even allow a testing option (e.g. NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc).

This is nothing more than Republican vs Democrat - the Republicans honor personal freedom & informed consent while the Liberals want a medical police state & are against bodily autonomy. So, it's obvious the Democratic party wants complete medical power & control over people having the government decide what people should & shouldn't be permitted to put in their bodies.

I think the country is in grave danger of having a divided country over this, i.e. the Divided States of America. The Red states will be "free" states with the governors assuring medical freedom & bodily autonomy free from any oppressive mandates & passports. The Blue states, on the other hand, will be medical police states with political leaders abolishing informed consent and enacting permanent vaccine mandates & passports on its residents. And there will be no cooperation with the two parties over this.

This actually a good thing though because Americans will have a choice where they want to live & work at: A "free" state that minimizes government involvement in people's medical decisions or a "medical police state" where the government has power & control over the people.

Welcome to the Divided States of America. 🇺🇸 ✌

Wuzzle Wuzzle4 wrote:

Positive for critical thinking wrote:

If you're unvaccinated Omicron sucks? Hmmmm, my husband and I are unvaccinated. We got it and had a few days with mild sniffles. We know several others who are unvaccinated, got COVID within the last few weeks, and like us had nothing more than a few days mild sniffles. I also know several vaccinated who also got it and they had the same mild symptoms. Clearly these vaccinated didn't have any stronger protection and didn't have milder symptoms.

Stats contradict your anecdotes. No one cares about how you "feel" it's going. The unvaccinated have it worse off by every metric. GTFO.

Stats do not contradict their anecdotes. Data has shown since the beginning of the Omnicron variant that it has mild symptoms and minimal severe symptoms, hospitalizations, or deaths. States and hospitals are finally admitting they have been lying about hospital COVID numbers. Hospitals are testing all patients admitted. A patient admitted for things like a broken leg, and test positive with zero symptoms, has been reported as COVID patients even though they aren’t sick with COVID or being treated for COVID.

Stats also show the obese have it worse off by every metric. Losing weight, and in effect reducing co-morbidities, also don’t have the risk factors of these “vaccines.”

Wuzzle Wuzzle4 wrote:

browski wrote:

It does nothing..

it does nothing, it's DNA altering, it's a conspiracy, it's a health emergency. it's mandated, it's freedom killing

Not interested in the mental gymnastics you have to tell yourself for doing the right thing because your politics are more important than your sense of self.

you got it, it's good for you, for your family and everyone else. PERIOD.

Obviously you are interested because you replied to it directly. It IS mandated, at least where I live and work, and for what? To keep ME healthy? What about all the unhealthy things that are totally legal? Does anyone here think Covid is greater public health crisis in the US than obesity? Or smoking? Why aren't there mandated actions taken against these crises which we KNOW are killing hundreds of thousands each year?

Everything we were told about the vaccine is turning out to be false. It does NOT prevent infection and it certainly does NOT prevent transmission. The latter being the basis for the mandates.

The reason is that these people are no longer in a normal state of mind. We are living amongst a new breed of human. They can never come back to us. The only thing important is that we do not go to them. There is no need to debate them any longer because that is a useless exercise. It’s a great exercise within human to human communication, but this is no longer the case. Their DNA is not human any longer.

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

Theses experimental COVID vaccines can’t stop transmission of a virus that largely kills people with four comorbidities but everybody has to get the jab or you lose your job /education/business.

There have been 836,000 Covid deaths in America. Factoring in the 75% comorbidities, 836K is 627,000.

This means the US Gov shut down the country, stole two years of education from children, sent thousands of businesses under, and caused mass hysteria when only 209,000 deaths weren't people already deathly sick.

So, the country was shut down for approximately 200,000 deaths. Again, this is not about public health.

+1. Great post. 0.06% of the US population is a lot less threatening than what we are told by Harambe and 2600Bro.

Conservative Right-Winger wrote:

Sure you do...quit lying. Wasn't it you that was posting the obituaries & celebrating the deaths of several of those Conservative talkshow hosts that succumbed to the virus? Why are changing your tune now? Based on your ad nuseam antagonistic & sinister posts against us unvaccinated, you were basically calling us the scumbags of the Earth & hope we would parish. Now all of sudden you think we're worthy of living - just "clowns" who should be "ridiculed." Lol. You pro-vaxx mandate tyrants make me effin sick! 🤮

It's important to recognize that these right wing propagandists are -suffering- under their own dogma (and in many cases dying). This same propaganda is convincing thousands of people to go unvaxxed. Consequences matter, even if they make your political party look dumb.

Old and really slow wrote:

Wuzzle Wuzzle4 wrote:

Stats contradict your anecdotes. No one cares about how you "feel" it's going. The unvaccinated have it worse off by every metric. GTFO.

Stats do not contradict their anecdotes. Data has shown since the beginning of the Omnicron variant that it has mild symptoms and minimal severe symptoms, hospitalizations, or deaths. States and hospitals are finally admitting they have been lying about hospital COVID numbers. Hospitals are testing all patients admitted. A patient admitted for things like a broken leg, and test positive with zero symptoms, has been reported as COVID patients even though they aren’t sick with COVID or being treated for COVID.

Stats also show the obese have it worse off by every metric. Losing weight, and in effect reducing co-morbidities, also don’t have the risk factors of these “vaccines.”

No, nobody has been lying about hospitalizations numbers.

The extreme transmissibility of Omicron means that case load in the population is higher than ever before (far higher than testing can capture, probably). This means that, for the first time, incidental COVID makes up a meaningful part of hospitalizations.

This was not true before the Omicron wave. Cases closely predicted hospitalizations which predicted deaths and excess deaths. In SA and the UK and some parts of the US this now decoupled. However, the US has a disproportional large fraction of vulnerable and unvaxxed people, so I'd expect our hospitalization and death numbers to look worse than SA or the UK.

This is basic, four factor arithmetic but deniers like yourself have repeated proved aggressively incapable of handling it. Startling.

Conservative Right-Winger wrote:

colder and wiser wrote:

What's a quick way to get anti-vaxxers to repeatedly and willingly confess that they're fairly dumb, with limited ability to understand popular cultural allusions and absolutely no sense of humor?

Your post is stupid - and you're obviously a Liberal so you're my adversary anyway.

Any American who says something as disgraceful as this belongs in China or Russia or something. Imagine putting political party above all else. There is no division in the US. There is only division in the minds of the terminally politically ill, poisoned by partisanship and rage.

P.S. You still need to convert my age from gorilla years.