Man track and field is an ugly sport. People just wanting to see you fall when you work so hard. I'd be very disappointed if Centrowitz was doping. But as someone who competed against him I know he has too hard a work ethic and too much respect for the sport to do that.
I feel sorry for some of you are trying to start rumors based off nothing if that winds up being the case. Centrowitz is a hell of an athlete.
But what if it is about gray zone stuff? And the testers are now targeting it?
If the testers are targeting gray zone, there should be some kind of warning given. But, biopassport was applied retroactively. The testing groups would not be playing fair if they ban something and then they go back to old samples to retest them.
ok, everyone, now that we (letsrun/letsrun community) have severely tarnished an innocent runner's reputation forever (and many other runners associated with him: Ritz, Cain, etc), who else can we bring down?!
C'mon guys, the power of the mob is strong. Someone start a rumor quickly. This is "centro is a druggie" thing is old news. He will always be thought of as a probable PED user by a lot of people from now on. The damage is done, let's bring down someone else!!
Farah and I guess Salazar don't have a problem with Makhloufi, Farah was training with him and Bob Tahri in Iten, Kenya just a couple of weeks ago, I saw the photos myself. The person who posted them has now removed them but they were there for anybody to see.
Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:
He will always be thought of as a probable PED user by a lot of people from now on. The damage is done, let's bring down someone else!!
He became a probable PED user the day he agreed to have Alberto in charge of his future. Anyone that had personal contact with Alberto over the last 30 years (Matt Sr. included) was aware of his reputation.
If you don't want to be considered a PED user then don't associate with people with questionable pasts.
How did you feel when Marion Jones chose to use Charlie Francis to guide her training?
Same as ANYONE that chooses Alberto.
Harder they fall wrote:
Still no direct denial from the Centro Camp.
That's right.
He said " I would like to categorically dispel any ugly rumors as to why I missed a few races "
It just means that he would like to. We would all " like "
to do something, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it
happened.
If he is dirty and NOP is dirty, then bring them down and get them out of the sport. However, there has to be substantiated evidence. Have we seen that?
JimboKern wrote:
The people calling for the removal of these threads are a vocal minority (Nike employees) that can't see the big picture. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
- We complain about our inability to gain a larger fan base and appeal more to the public but we don't want to allow people to freely discuss doping? Boo Hoo - athletes and agents need to learn to issue denials (like Centro did) and move on down the road like athletes in all other sports have to. We're no different in this day and age. This is part of the deal. Sack up. Aaron Rodgers is gay? Ray Lewis uses deer antler spray? Those lasted 10 seconds in sports 100x the size of track. Your arguments with the BroJos is only making a bigger moment for this rumor.
- LRC is full of free market, free speech stock market millionaires.... yet you can't handle someone making a claim on an internet message board? Learn to shift through the turds for gold. Censorship never works - ever. If people don't want to see this stuff or they think the website is just TMZ they'll head somewhere else. The number of pages on this thread say otherwise. I'm guessing that the page views tell the same story. Thank God we don't have Deadspin looking at us closely or we'd be an even bigger laughing stock. If LRC doesn't provide a place for this kind of discussion another outlet will open up.
- Recent history has shown we need to be skeptical - the BroJos have laid this argument out nicely enough for all of you.
You won't win by arguing with the BroJos. Just stop, please. I'm grateful that there is a place I can go and read about actual and rumored doping in an open forum.
And here comes the Brooks employee. How is the weather is Seattle today?
Where is the proof?
Where is the proof?
Whether the board owners, who have been educated at institutions considered fairly higher learning, choose to let this thread or others similar to it is of their choice.
However, I think one needs to consider if the board is better for having the gossip mongering crowd overrun the board as has happened in an increasing fashion over recent times. The board was at one time had enough input by posters who preferred to discuss issues related to the sport which did not involve gossip mongering or the outright trolling that has also increased over the last few years. It appears many of those posters who were an enjoyable read have either left completely or simply no longer wish to participate.
The board has a choice and gets to live with the consequences.
Message Boarder wrote:
Where is the proof?
This is the "Waiting for Godot" of letsrun threads [altho now probably takes longer to read than the play.]
You need to stop being a sports fan if the rumor mill is too much for you to handle. Sports forums and even news forums are the same as this one. You can either accept that fact-of-life or you can let that reality upset you. If the rumors upset you then you should never read any sport or news forums every gain. Solving the problem by yourself, by leaving, is always the best solution.
Steve on a cell in Brooklyn wrote:
However, I think one needs to consider if the board is better for having the gossip mongering crowd overrun the board as has happened in an increasing fashion over recent times. The board was at one time had enough input by posters who preferred to discuss issues related to the sport which did not involve gossip mongering or the outright trolling that has also increased over the last few years.
joho wrote:
Regardless of what he says or does, or what his friends say or do, some on this thread are going to suspect him of failing a test.
This is exactly why Centro making a statement doesn't make a damn bit of difference. It also shows what kind of damage a thread like this can do to an individual athlete. There are those that will forever think of Matt as a drug cheat now.
No one on this thread suspects him of failing a test. There are those that want him to fail a test because they hate NOP.
Zero damage has been done to Centro. A 15 year old posting under 20 different names isn't damaging to him. Now, if the next meet he tries to run in says, "I'm sorry Centro, we won't let you enter our meet because 'Laredo' from the letsrun.com World Famous Message Boards wrote that you failed a drug test.", then that would be damaging.
Surprise! wrote:
Zero damage has been done to Centro. ... Now, if the next meet he tries to run in says, "I'm sorry Centro, we won't let you enter our meet because 'Laredo' from the letsrun.com World Famous Message Boards wrote that you failed a drug test.", then that would be damaging.
A meet director would be the one at risk for using an internet rumor as the basis for banning an athlete. The athlete could then sue the meet people. Meet directors should base their "who is allowed to enter" decision solely on official bans imposed by the USADA.
That wouldn't be smart wrote:
A meet director would be the one at risk for using an internet rumor as the basis for banning an athlete. The athlete could then sue the meet people. Meet directors should base their "who is allowed to enter" decision solely on official bans imposed by the USADA.
Who ever said that would be smart? How can you so totally miss the point of my post?
If I wrote, "My dad dropped dead of a heart attack while he was walking his dog the other day.", would you respond, "What kind of dog did he have?"
Sportz Fanz wrote:
You need to stop being a sports fan if the rumor mill is too much for you to handle. Sports forums and even news forums are the same as this one. You can either accept that fact-of-life or you can let that reality upset you. If the rumors upset you then you should never read any sport or news forums every gain. Solving the problem by yourself, by leaving, is always the best solution.
Who said it's too much for me to handle? Read what I wrote again.
jjjjjjjjj wrote:
This thread is libelous and should be removed. This is not mere speculation. This is a set of lies about positive tests and the like.
It isn't libelous if it's the truth. Time will tell....
Your "official" quote is in "your" message. "...if the next meet he tries to run in says, "I'm sorry Centro, we won't let you enter our meet because..."
Surprise! wrote:
That wouldn't be smart wrote:A meet director would be the one at risk for using an internet rumor as the basis for banning an athlete. The athlete could then sue the meet people. Meet directors should base their "who is allowed to enter" decision solely on official bans imposed by the USADA.
Who ever said that would be smart? How can you so totally miss the point of my post?
If I wrote, "My dad dropped dead of a heart attack while he was walking his dog the other day.", would you respond, "What kind of dog did he have?"
Until we see some evidence this is just a bunch of rumors, innuendos, and lies.
In other words, like Cuba Gooding Jr., show me the money.