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8 months ago 03/02/2025 4:34pm EST

re: B1

B1 wrote:
To the typical American, does it bother you that you have redneck hillbilly’s in office(my apologies to hillbilly’s and rednecks). The democratic world is gob smacked. Aren’t you the least bit embarrassed by the ambush and attempted shakedown by the representatives and face of your cy?

You're being lied to. There was 40 minutes of cordial discussion before Zelensky started trying to lecture Vance.

Even if you think you're right lecturing the VP in the Oval Office in front of the media is a pathologically stupid thing to do.

The "hillbilly" is infinitely smarter than you.

Why should Americans pay for a European war that Europeans are funding both sides of?

Europe has shown ZERO serious commitment to winning or stopping the war.

The UK and Germany do not even have any military to speak of. The Europeans are demanding the US step in and be the muscle for their empty rhetoric.

No thanks!

You idiots won't even defend your own daughters from immigrant rape gangs and you want Americans to defend your continent for you?

Piss off.

8 months ago 03/02/2025 4:36pm EST

re: unbelief

unbelief wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
I'm sorry I keep forgetting how stupid you are.
Let's dumb this down for you.
If two men get in a fight and the bigger man gets the smaller man in a choke hold that he can't get out of, who would you say has more negotiating power in that situation?
Are you honest or clever enough to answer that question?
is this your way of telling us you won’t discuss history anymore in mixed company?

You've thoroughly demonstrated that you don't understand history or the present.

Who is going to fight for Ukraine? Do you understand what a "security guarantee" is?

8 months ago 03/02/2025 4:46pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
JackmanJones wrote:
Russia has not accomplished anything close to its goals. There is still a hostile government in Kyiv. Their failure to achieve their goals is why Sergei Lavrov opposes an end to the war. They want to achieve their goals.
By continuing to supply weapons to Ukraine, the USA can continue to prevent Russia from achieving their goals.
The goals laid out in 2008 are exactly what they've got locked up right now.
They oppose ending the war now because they're winning and there's no reason to stop.
Russia has never cared about the lives of its soldiers. They have always fought attrition warfare and won by out bleeding their enemy.
It's not a stalemate. The media is lying to you.

It’s very much a stalemate. I’ve seen the maps. The front line moves very little, even the part inside Russia.

If Russia opposes ending the war, how will the war end?

8 months ago 03/02/2025 4:55pm EST

re: JackmanJones

JackmanJones wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
The goals laid out in 2008 are exactly what they've got locked up right now.
They oppose ending the war now because they're winning and there's no reason to stop.
Russia has never cared about the lives of its soldiers. They have always fought attrition warfare and won by out bleeding their enemy.
It's not a stalemate. The media is lying to you.
It’s very much a stalemate. I’ve seen the maps. The front line moves very little, even the part inside Russia.
If Russia opposes ending the war, how will the war end?

The front lines are moving every day. You watch too much TV if you think the lines not moving 10 miles a day means they aren't moving.

If Russia thinks it can topple the Ukrainian government and re-install a Russia friendly regime why would they stop before that?

The problem is Ukraine has no leverage whatsoever.

They are losing the war.

Europe will not help.

What incentive does Russia have to quit?

8 months ago 03/02/2025 4:57pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
The front lines are moving every day. You watch too much TV if you think the lines not moving 10 miles a day means they aren't moving.
If Russia thinks it can topple the Ukrainian government and re-install a Russia friendly regime why would they stop before that?
The problem is Ukraine has no leverage whatsoever.
They are losing the war.
Europe will not help.
What incentive does Russia have to quit?

You were posting as 'Badcompany' earlier today.

What happened? You feel you need another account to agree with yourself?

8 months ago 03/02/2025 4:58pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
unbelief wrote:
nice try loser
or
the Allies had just given him Czech at Munich for a promise of peace signed less than a year before
or as you would so blithely put it
‘they didn’t see any interest in Czech’
They weren't willing to bleed for the Sudetenland.
You're almost catching on! Good for you!
Think real hard now. If the EU and US are unwilling to commit troops and bleed for Ukraine would you say it would make more sense to compare Ukraine to the Sudetenland or to Poland?
Trump's plan was the mineral rights deal would which put American interests on the ground in Ukraine. We sign a peace deal and Ukraine gets to keep the territory it has left and the US presence in that territory is the security guarantee.
It's the best realistic way out of the war.
But, because he's stupid and drunk on stolen money and knows he will be fired the moment they have another election Zelensky said no. He wants to keep fighting and demands a blank check and unlimited support so he can achieve the unachievable.
Your position is idiotic.

more Kremlin talking points

8 months ago 03/02/2025 4:59pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
B1 wrote:
To the typical American, does it bother you that you have redneck hillbilly’s in office(my apologies to hillbilly’s and rednecks). The democratic world is gob smacked. Aren’t you the least bit embarrassed by the ambush and attempted shakedown by the representatives and face of your cy?
You're being lied to. There was 40 minutes of cordial discussion before Zelensky started trying to lecture Vance.
Even if you think you're right lecturing the VP in the Oval Office in front of the media is a pathologically stupid thing to do.
The "hillbilly" is infinitely smarter than you.
Why should Americans pay for a European war that Europeans are funding both sides of?
Europe has shown ZERO serious commitment to winning or stopping the war.
The UK and Germany do not even have any military to speak of. The Europeans are demanding the US step in and be the muscle for their empty rhetoric.
No thanks!
You idiots won't even defend your own daughters from immigrant rape gangs and you want Americans to defend your continent for you?
Piss off.

your BS is really shining through now

8 months ago 03/02/2025 5:00pm EST

re: trollism

trollism wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
The front lines are moving every day. You watch too much TV if you think the lines not moving 10 miles a day means they aren't moving.
If Russia thinks it can topple the Ukrainian government and re-install a Russia friendly regime why would they stop before that?
The problem is Ukraine has no leverage whatsoever.
They are losing the war.
Europe will not help.
What incentive does Russia have to quit?
You were posting as 'Badcompany' earlier today.
What happened? You feel you need another account to agree with yourself?

That's not my account. You just lost an election to someone who got 77 million votes and you're too stupid to comprehend there's more than one person online who disagrees with you.

You people are ridiculous.

8 months ago 03/02/2025 5:00pm EST

re: Glitter Bomb Turbo

Thank god the U.S. has no umbrella politicians.

8 months ago 03/02/2025 5:01pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
That's not my account. You just lost an election to someone who got 77 million votes and you're too stupid to comprehend there's more than one person online who disagrees with you.
You people are ridiculous.

That's your account. Did that one get a little ban and you had to resurrect this one?

No idea why they don't just perma all of your accounts.

8 months ago 03/02/2025 5:03pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
unbelief wrote:
is this your way of telling us you won’t discuss history anymore in mixed company?
You've thoroughly demonstrated that you don't understand history or the present.
Who is going to fight for Ukraine? Do you understand what a "security guarantee" is?

my dude, you already have been microwaved in this debate

its pretty rich youre trying to move on and save face with bluster alone

youve thoroughly demonstrated you know exactly the lines Moscow wants repeated about Zel and the situation in Ukraine to a T and you are acting like this is foresight and maturity when you are literally being eye dropped Kremlin propaganda

8 months ago 03/02/2025 5:04pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
trollism wrote:
You were posting as 'Badcompany' earlier today.
What happened? You feel you need another account to agree with yourself?
That's not my account. You just lost an election to someone who got 77 million votes and you're too stupid to comprehend there's more than one person online who disagrees with you.
You people are ridiculous.

Youre far too online for your own good

again, put down the tablet and pick up a book

you might understand history marginally better, but then again i dont it given your personality

8 months ago 03/02/2025 5:04pm EST

re: unbelief

unbelief wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
You're being lied to. There was 40 minutes of cordial discussion before Zelensky started trying to lecture Vance.
Even if you think you're right lecturing the VP in the Oval Office in front of the media is a pathologically stupid thing to do.
The "hillbilly" is infinitely smarter than you.
Why should Americans pay for a European war that Europeans are funding both sides of?
Europe has shown ZERO serious commitment to winning or stopping the war.
The UK and Germany do not even have any military to speak of. The Europeans are demanding the US step in and be the muscle for their empty rhetoric.
No thanks!
You idiots won't even defend your own daughters from immigrant rape gangs and you want Americans to defend your continent for you?
Piss off.
your BS is really shining through now

reuters.com

Link:www.reuters.com/world/europe/50-battle...

The wars been going on for 3 years and Germany's military is still a complete joke.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

British Army infantry to number 19,400 by 2025

George Allison

By 2025 the entire Regular Army and Army Reserve combined will stand at 102,500 troops, 19,400 of which will be infantry troops.

Link:ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-army-i...

The UK has less than 20,000 infantry in its entire military. Their readiness numbers aren't any better than Germany's.

You're ignorant. You don't know anything about anything.

Countries that are demanding the US do more won't even fund their own militaries.

8 months ago 03/02/2025 5:06pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
JackmanJones wrote:
It’s very much a stalemate. I’ve seen the maps. The front line moves very little, even the part inside Russia.
If Russia opposes ending the war, how will the war end?
The front lines are moving every day. You watch too much TV if you think the lines not moving 10 miles a day means they aren't moving.
If Russia thinks it can topple the Ukrainian government and re-install a Russia friendly regime why would they stop before that?
The problem is Ukraine has no leverage whatsoever.
They are losing the war.
Europe will not help.
What incentive does Russia have to quit?

I do not watch the news on TV.

And if total victory is Russia’s objective, what incentive does Ukraine have to surrender?

8 months ago 03/02/2025 5:07pm EST

re: unbelief

unbelief wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
That's not my account. You just lost an election to someone who got 77 million votes and you're too stupid to comprehend there's more than one person online who disagrees with you.
You people are ridiculous.
Youre far too online for your own good
again, put down the tablet and pick up a book
you might understand history marginally better, but then again i dont it given your personality

You stupid stupid stupid little man....

Britain and France were willing to fight in 1939.

They are not willing today.

You're too dumb to understand your furiously googling of WW2 is completely irrelevant to what's happening today.

NO ONE is will to bleed for Ukraine except people like you who are only willing to send other people's kids to do the bleeding.

8 months ago 03/02/2025 5:07pm EST

re: LetsRunSpecial

LetsRunSpecial wrote:
unbelief wrote:
you might need to change that report to a 24 hour hold for self harm and outpatient with a script for anti-psychotics
I admire your courage. TheAdultInTheRoom is intense and long lasting. Your best chance is to poke him every now and then, let him talk in length, and wait for the right moment to go for a fatal strike. Play an assassin if you cannot overpower him.

i mean hes already been cooked at this point

dude is totally bankrupt

8 months ago 03/02/2025 5:12pm EST

re: JackmanJones

JackmanJones wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
The front lines are moving every day. You watch too much TV if you think the lines not moving 10 miles a day means they aren't moving.
If Russia thinks it can topple the Ukrainian government and re-install a Russia friendly regime why would they stop before that?
The problem is Ukraine has no leverage whatsoever.
They are losing the war.
Europe will not help.
What incentive does Russia have to quit?
I do not watch the news on TV.
And if total victory is Russia’s objective, what incentive does Ukraine have to surrender?

Russia offered terms in March of 2022. Total victory was not the objective.

Ukraine, following the advice of the Boris Johnson's of the world rejected peace in 2022 and went to lose the war for 3 years and now has absolutely no leverage in any peace discussions.

Three years of complete incompetence from the west and the Biden administration has completely f*cked over the Ukrainians.

They have no hope of victory and Russia has all of the leverage.

The incentive to surrender is avoiding the death of 500,000 more Ukrainians to achieve the same result.

Life isn't fair.

The alternative was the mineral deal which put the US in Ukraine and provided security guarantees but the Democrats are too evil/stupid to let that happen. They would rather see Ukraine die than see Trump have any sort of success.

Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/eaCePJ4UZr
— Chris Murphy 🟧 (@ChrisMurphyCT) February 28, 2025

Tweet:x.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/18955081005...

Democrats literally met with Zelesnky before the Oval Office meeting and encouraged him to reject the deal.

8 months ago 03/02/2025 5:13pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
unbelief wrote:
Youre far too online for your own good
again, put down the tablet and pick up a book
you might understand history marginally better, but then again i dont it given your personality
You stupid stupid stupid little man....
Britain and France were willing to fight in 1939.
They are not willing today.
You're too dumb to understand your furiously googling of WW2 is completely irrelevant to what's happening today.
NO ONE is will to bleed for Ukraine except people like you who are only willing to send other people's kids to do the bleeding.

nice description of what you were just up to but again your analysis is again completely off

the point is that at Munich in 1938 they did NOT want to fight (with pretty much the same silliness you are harkening back to with your BS today) but then we’re forced to have the fight anyways

you know, there are lessons to studying history

thats the story of appeasement but a lesson that seems exempt in your VAST historical knowledge and analysis

but again, tell me how stupid i am, youre far too sweet and kind to have all this rage. i can only imagine the proclivities of your personal life but it must be an absolute joy and pleasure to be in your company!

8 months ago 03/02/2025 5:14pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
JackmanJones wrote:
I do not watch the news on TV.
And if total victory is Russia’s objective, what incentive does Ukraine have to surrender?
Russia offered terms in March of 2022. Total victory was not the objective.
Ukraine, following the advice of the Boris Johnson's of the world rejected peace in 2022 and went to lose the war for 3 years and now has absolutely no leverage in any peace discussions.
Three years of complete incompetence from the west and the Biden administration has completely f*cked over the Ukrainians.
They have no hope of victory and Russia has all of the leverage.
The incentive to surrender is avoiding the death of 500,000 more Ukrainians to achieve the same result.
Life isn't fair.
The alternative was the mineral deal which put the US in Ukraine and provided security guarantees but the Democrats are too evil/stupid to let that happen. They would rather see Ukraine die than see Trump have any sort of success.
Tweet:x.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/18955081005...
Democrats literally met with Zelesnky before the Oval Office meeting and encouraged him to reject the deal.

we know youre a Republican that much is obvious

8 months ago 03/02/2025 5:15pm EST

re: unbelief

unbelief wrote:
LetsRunSpecial wrote:
I admire your courage. TheAdultInTheRoom is intense and long lasting. Your best chance is to poke him every now and then, let him talk in length, and wait for the right moment to go for a fatal strike. Play an assassin if you cannot overpower him.
i mean hes already been cooked at this point
dude is totally bankrupt

One of the most enjoyable traits of liberals is that you're all too stupid to understand when you're losing an argument.... lol...

You've yet to say what this plan of yours is.

Instead you went on an idiot tangent about Poland in 1939 because you're too stupid to understand what happened in WW2...

Who is going to fight for Ukraine now? You wouldn't risk your life for your own mother. Who are these imaginary people that are going to come to Ukraine's rescue?

We've established that the EU is toothless.

The US isn't going to do it.

What is your plan?

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