What are they doing in South Korea and Hong Kong for corona that others aren't?

wejo wrote:

zzzz wrote:

wejo, this article explains what you want to know in very good detail, with very interesting charts.

Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, and Hong Kong learned from SARS and were prepared. Places in China outside of Hubei were locked down by China, so their cases did not go exponential like Italy, Iran, and South Korea.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

I've seen that article a bunch of places. I'd like him to update stuff past 3/7. Guy has no background in diseases or anything so it's interested how his article has taken off.

Also should we be suspicious of Chinese numbers? Why should we trust their numbers?

As a scientist (and engineer), I can see how someone smart and an expert at analyzing data (engineer with an MBA degree) can gather data and construct impressive charts and graphs that make that data understandable. You don't need a lot of background in diseases. Science and working with data is the same.

It's easy for someone analyzing data to pick out faked numbers by looking for or noticing discrepancies. The China data on those graphs look reasonable to me, at a glance anyway. I think if there were discrepancies, they would jump out to Tomas Pueyo as he was constructing those graphs and charts too.

Its Saturday morning here in Incheon South Korea, about 18 miles west of Seoul. I 'm in a Starbucks now. Its not full but all are open except for maybe in the Daegu area. A lot of take out customers, but its early as it gets crowded around noon. Schools are closed, all online classes, churches are online. All sporting events are cancelled or postponed. Everyone is wearing a mask here. There doesn't seem to be panic here. No hording of toilet paper etc. The only hording is masks. Everything seems calm. Less and less cases everyday now. The same in China, maybe Japan too.

How can you have so many masks? In Norway we don't use them outside of hospital. Glad to hear cafes are open! Here just a few are. And most of the few have no chairs inside. Only take away. Miss studying in a larger place than my one room apartment

My wife works at a U.S. hospital and they are setting up trailers to test people before they enter the hospital. Entire states are shutting down schools for two weeks. Churches are not meeting. Restaurants are only doing delivery. People are being told to wash hands and not touch their face. Sports are cancelled.

We are taking the precautions. We are combating this virus. We are doing what needs to be done. Stay the course! Run alone through the forest and connect with nature, read more, spend more time with loved ones. This is a good time to evaluate what’s important in life. College sports are not important. The Olympics and major marathons are not important. Your local 5k is not important.

Only freedom and love are important.

Testing, Separating infected from general population.

This is incredible.

Weren't you Brojo's on here two days ago whinging about Ivey League tournaments getting canceled and casting doubt on what good testing would really do? ? ?

Taiwan, South Korea.......they tested rigorously and probably canceled bullshit intermural tournaments too. they didn't deny it was a problem and then reacted accordingly.

You guy are like chain smokers saying you don't believe cigarettes cause cancer one day, then the next day asking how come non-smokers are living so long.

"Non-Smokerz: WutThere Sectrerz?!?!??"

Nobody wants to read this accurate crap. Doesn't fit the narrative the LRC folk have absorbed. People Come here to escape reality, not face it in all its ugliness.

Every is so impressed with South Korea? Yes the rate has slowed down, but they are still having thousands of new cases every week. You want to have the same total numbers as they do!!? Seriously!??!

Wow, that was a great post. Are you working as a physician? Thank you for your insight.

Shoudln't they be on Letsrun telling you?

dunes runner wrote:

Dril wrote:

they have testing so people suspected of having the virus can be appropriately quarantined

#1- The virus is already everywhere, so quarantining people doesn't help anything;

#2- Quarantining takes away people's options, and prevents them from taking the best care of themselves;

#3- Thus, quarantining people makes it MORE LIKELY that the quarantined people will die;

#4- Especially if the quarantined people are forced to take dangerous and toxic vaccinations and drugs;

#5- Testing does nothing either, because anyone who is not positive can still be positive the next day!

#6- Testing itself is dangerous because it exposes the subjects to inhumane conditions and toxic substances.

What a waste of time and resources, with the net result of taking away people's rights and increasing the deaths.

All of this is wrong. Again. Dude. 1/10. At this point, you’re just a troll because your brain spews out what would otherwise be a troll post by a more intelligent person trying to get a rise.

Very similar to Bad Wigins.

Here's a good article on how Taiwan responded well to the crisis. They learned from what happened with SARS in 2003, made changes to their health system back then. Their response, described in the article, has been impressively comprehensive.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-taiwan-case-study-rapid-response-containment-2020-3?utm_source=msn.com&amp&utm_medium=referral&amp&utm_content=msn-story&amp&utm_campaign=bodyurl

WelI m from Italy , but from center Italy Tuscany I think about 255 cases and something like 5 death cases but the fact is that just few days ago one man died in Pisa for a stroke, he already had heart problems, the man was found that also had Covid 19 virus. But he died for an heart attack not because the Covid 19. but they report that he died because Covid 19. And so on in very high % of reported deaath in Italy.

Doctors say that a great percentage of people has ZERO sympthoms, like 30% another 20 /30 % have very little symptoms.

Now in Italythey make test only to people that have more important symptoms like high fever or problems to breath.

So if we consider all people that are positive but are well with no symptoms , the percentage of death will be much lower than that in Italy.

Now we are in Italy at about 15000 positive with test, but probably the total positive (zero or very few sympyoms) are 150000. So the death rate would be a lot smaller.

The way it spreads so much in Lombardia and Emilia Romagna and in particular in some cities of those region is because inside the hospital is the best place to take the virus at the beginning everybody went there also to do a test but then those places are the best place to take any kind of virus.

In South Korea and also in China to me inside the hospitals have more rigid severe rule of anticontamination, I dont want say that Italian hospitals are not good, far from that especially in North Italy, but we dont have the same maniacal rigid rules and precautions of China and South Corea.

Second point is that in South Corea test much more people than in Italy , thats why the Covid 19 percentage is so low and more true to the reality. Some say because Italian population is older. Well not so big difference. This could be true if we compare with Africa where average age is about 18 years old , against 45 , 46 of many European country.

By the way they should not put the panic into people , yesterday I was schocked by the news that after the very first case in Kenya, peoplein Naiorobi just begin to assault supermarket without control.

These type of reactions are more dangerous than any Virus.

Fellow Washingtonian wrote:

The virus sampled from the second person (WA2) to test positive in Washington was genetically similar to the virus sampled from the first confirmed infected individual in the state (WA1), strongly suggesting that the WA2 virus was a descendant of WA1. What was alarming about this is that the second case emerged 6 weeks after the first one: this means that person 2 was not directly infected by person 1 -- the virus had been circulating in the community for 6 weeks undetected! The latest estimates based on projections from these sequences and others put the total number of predicted infections in Washington states in the high hundreds

That's exactly what should NOT be alarming!

People are darting back and forth between two sets of cherry-picked facts: "eeek 2% death rate" and "eeek higher-than-known infection rate." These two things are not mutually compatible! The second reduces the first.

If the number of undetected infections is even ten times that of confirmed infections, then the death rate is 0.2%, not 2%, just like the, you know, flu.

So of course, those who want to be scared just harp on that being unknown and run off to speculate about something else, rather than focus on what is known, such as still only 5400 deaths globally.

Among the global stats, that is about the only fairly sure thing. We don't know if the South Koreans or especially the Germans are any better at dealing with this than anyone else. After all, there is no treatment. The differences could all boil down to methodology, what each different health authority considers a "confirmed" case, and how much of their populace they are testing. Maybe the Germans are testing more aggressively and that's why they get 0.5% deaths. Maybe the Italians are testing only whoever shows up very sick and that's why they get 6%.

There is also, possibly, something cultural going on. No offense to Europeans but they do have a reputation for not washing so much.

OBE wrote:

All of this is wrong. Again. Dude. 1/10. At this point, you’re just a troll because your brain spews out what would otherwise be a troll post by a more intelligent person trying to get a rise.

Very similar to Bad Wigins.

Your kind never seems to figure out you get nowhere with this stuff. Did you even refute one point that poster made? And you can't with me either. That's how I became the bogeyman of your cognitive dissonance. I own you! I'm inside your head.

I'll help. Go to a real school where they teach valid debate, and you won't waste everyone's time with attacks and empty assertions. Even better, try to find something you enjoy instead of wallowing in things that seem to cause you pain and anger.

Anyway I believe this Doctor

https://m.huffingtonpost.it/amp/entry/la-virologa-gismondo-60-70-di-italiani-sara-positivo-ma-non-preoccupiamoci_it_5e6bba13c5b6bd8156f6b865/

I dont know if is correct. I mean that I believe that Doctor. In Italy she s been often attacked saying that she s trying to downrate the risk. But I believe her

Bad Wigins, about the fact that europeans dont wash this is bullshit. I mean generalizations are always wrong no matter how. In Italy people are obsessed by washing their body.and cleaning You can say that in some country in europe like France dont have the bidet to wash ass after you popo And also in Uk. In Italy every house has it. Another bullshit is that black people dont wash too much. Total bullshit. I had many black girlfriends and no white girl is clean like them . No matter how as soon as they wake up in the morning they must shower.

That was funny.