Tuohy sets indoor 1500 PR with significant negative split

Tuohy gets the attention because she's been setting records since 7th grade. And has been consistently improving and breaking records from seventh grade through 11th grade

She had amazing cross country races and was winning national titles by a huge margin leading start to finish. So obviously no one else was close to doing what she did 3 years in a row

That's not to say there aren't other great Runners and obviously this year the other girls are right with her and terms of what they could probably do in the mile and the two mile

But I mean it's not hard to understand why she gets the attention because no one has been close to dominating 30 straight cross country races like she did

Also she has a great running form and style so that's certainly helped

Also she has pretty good range she's a good runner from everything from the 600 through the 5K so it's silly to say she doesn't have the range. I bet she could have already run excellent times at the 10K too

I know i have had a few debates with you....but the funny thing is it has never been about whether Tuohy was the greatest ever. It has always been about the side statements you or others make about her that I disagree with. You are welcome to your own opinion..if you think Starliper or Dudek are better ...fine, good for you. But I also don't have a problem questioning some of your comments. As another poster mentioned, what losses are you referring to. I'm not saying theere hasn't been any...I also just don't remember them except for Millrose.

And 'limited range'. If I look at her 2019 indoor season, she had the #1 time in the 1500, 3000, and 2mile...2nd in the 1600, and third in the 1000 and the mile. First, second or third in the nation in every race from 1000 to 3200. How is that limited? Are there other runners who had better range? I really don't know, but I somehow doubt it.

As for the maxxing out discussion, this I find silly. Most of these athletes have been running similar amounts since a young age. To say that any athlete is maxxed out or close to maxxing out at 17/18 is about the stupidest comment people continually make on this board.

Personally, I think at 1500 m, Tuohy, Starliper, and Dudek are really close. But as the distance increases Tuohy gains more and more advantage. Finally this year I think the gap has closed up, but I still think Tuohy is well ahead at longer distances. But until we see them all in a 3000/5000m race together, we will all have our own opinion.

PS - Chmiel has put up some nice races this year. NC State is going to have one heck of a team.

All BB needed to do is make an inquiry and I am sure there would be some financial support ( legal ))

westsouthrunner wrote:

Or Cheserek/Futsum when Lucas was there in highschool ( Although there were a good bit of other similar ability runners then. Rosas, Gedyon, Ammar mousa so it kind of makes sense.)

Lukas V. made all those guys look like chumps, none of them were in his league. However, the complaint has some valid ground, a female runner shouldn't be sucking up all the oxygen of interest in the boys side.

Indoor? wrote:

weird lechers wrote:

Wow....

the weird obsessive white teen girl lechery of letsrun continues. Did coevett start this thread? Oh, I forgot, he's more into boys.

She's the current best HS girl and potentially the best in history. There isn't anything creepy about being fans of the sport.

Wrong. It’s like those little beauty queen pageants. ‘Oh, we’re just into fashion and modeling’. Nope, you’re a pervert. A disturbed and broken human who feels he has to abuse children to reach his normalized self-gratification. You’re sick. You’re obsession with female HS runners is wrong on every level. She is a school child. Not a professional athlete. Just because it’s televised doesn’t make it right. I hope you don’t have children.

silly itays wrote:

Indoor? wrote:

She's the current best HS girl and potentially the best in history. There isn't anything creepy about being fans of the sport.

Wrong. It’s like those little beauty queen pageants. ‘Oh, we’re just into fashion and modeling’. Nope, you’re a pervert. A disturbed and broken human who feels he has to abuse children to reach his normalized self-gratification. You’re sick. You’re obsession with female HS runners is wrong on every level. She is a school child. Not a professional athlete. Just because it’s televised doesn’t make it right. I hope you don’t have children.

I actually agree in that there shouldn’t be HS nationals or giant meets...