I don't agree with people running in women's events who are not biologically women but to say trans people are the richest and most spoilt members of our society is utterly delusional. Look up statistics on homelessness and the proportion that are trans. It is stunning. Or abuse statistics. Think what you want, but trans people categorically do not have an easy life. Far from it. Jenner is not representative at all.
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Conundrum wrote:
Here is my point, transgenders face much discrimination by society, their competing in an event where they have a physical advantage that most will see as an unfair advantage, will just create more animosity toward transgenders.
Yeah. But you also made a bogus argument about the bathroom issue. (You insisted there had not been any problem until trans activists made it controversial.) And when you were confronted by evidence that disproved your point, you refused to acknowledge your error.
Glad you agree with my post.
As far as your second issue, we can discuss that under a different thread. I am guessing some parts in your recounting of our previous exchange were left out.
From ADF's website at
https://www.adflegal.org/about-us
On January 31, 1994, more than 30 Christian leaders came together to build a ministry that would defend your religious freedom—before it was too late.
These founders knew that it would take an alliance to keep the doors open for the Gospel in the United States.
Like the Body of Christ, the alliance is one body made up of many parts. Attorneys play different roles than pastors. Business leaders play different roles than legislators. Each person must play his or her particular role, under one shared vision, to ensure that religious freedom thrives.
For more than 25 years, ADF has been fighting for religious liberty, defending the sanctity of life, and protecting marriage and the family.
adfisthis wrote:
From ADF's website at
https://www.adflegal.org/about-usOn January 31, 1994, more than 30 Christian leaders came together to build a ministry that would defend your religious freedom—before it was too late.
These founders knew that it would take an alliance to keep the doors open for the Gospel in the United States.
Like the Body of Christ, the alliance is one body made up of many parts. Attorneys play different roles than pastors. Business leaders play different roles than legislators. Each person must play his or her particular role, under one shared vision, to ensure that religious freedom thrives.
For more than 25 years, ADF has been fighting for religious liberty, defending the sanctity of life, and protecting marriage and the family.
Yeah, that's their story from their website. If you google, them you'll discover that not everyone thinks they're wonderful.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
The girl can do what she wants, but she's alienating part of the population and some future potential employers will google her name and take a pass. Nothing good comes from being a focal point of a controversial issue. It would have been better for her to get over finishing in 8th place instead of 6th.
Unfortunately, in virtually every case, this is true. Sometimes minority rights causes can serve as political stepping stones for people.
hiddentreasure wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
The girl can do what she wants, but she's alienating part of the population and some future potential employers will google her name and take a pass. Nothing good comes from being a focal point of a controversial issue. It would have been better for her to get over finishing in 8th place instead of 6th.
Unfortunately, in virtually every case, this is true. Sometimes minority rights causes can serve as political stepping stones for people.
She isn't Rosa Parks.
sbeefyk2 wrote:
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
[quote]Stem Cell Patient wrote:
GOOD
The easy solution is high school start drug testing. If an athlete's testosterone is too high, they are disqualified.
While I agree with your aim, and capping testosterone levels would be better than nothing, males growing through puberty with testosterone confers benefits (muscle size and bone length among others) that DO NOT disappear once testosterone is lowered.
Here's Terry Miller one of the trans-identified male athletes whose participation in CT girls' sports the actual girls are protesting:
https://www.gametimect.com/the-2019-gametimect-all-state-girls-track-team/#photo-825273
How is that good, everyone has there right to run. If they have been on estrogen for 1 year then that makes the race completely fair. Why should someone not be able to run there dreams just because they were born in the wrong body
carreese wrote:
How is that good, everyone has there right to run. If they have been on estrogen for 1 year then that makes the race completely fair. Why should someone not be able to run there dreams just because they were born in the wrong body
My German Shepherd, Ace the Bat-Hound, identifies as a human female, and I'm glad you support his right to run against other human females, even if you do want to subject him to estrogen treatments for a year first. I'm sure Ace will be resetting the world's records, not because of some innate advantage deeper than mere hormones, but because all the current female human athletes are lazy, entitled ist-ophobes.
Even the doctors that hint at transgender ideology being a mental illness will be crucified by the wackos online. It would be better if they can remain anonymous so they can tell the truth. The wackos hiding behind keyboards dont like to think rationally, they just lash out. They're the reason women's sports are being compromised and in some cases ruined. But they like to imagine they've accomplished something with their "skills" hiding behind the keyboard. Congrats SJWs hope you feel all warm and fuzzy inside cuz you really do it for yourselves not anyone else
Had not seen that picture. Betting he he enjoys his time with the sympathetic girls.
It's about time. And if transgender people wish to compete, they can compete with their original sex.
Wannabe Bruce Wayne wrote:
carreese wrote:
How is that good, everyone has there right to run. If they have been on estrogen for 1 year then that makes the race completely fair. Why should someone not be able to run there dreams just because they were born in the wrong body
My German Shepherd, Ace the Bat-Hound, identifies as a human female, and I'm glad you support his right to run against other human females, even if you do want to subject him to estrogen treatments for a year first. I'm sure Ace will be resetting the world's records, not because of some innate advantage deeper than mere hormones, but because all the current female human athletes are lazy, entitled ist-ophobes.
Maybe you think you came up with something new and clever, but comments like these became stale years ago. When gay marriage was a hot issue, equally clever people would say, "What if I want to marry my horse?"
Gay marriage is an inaccurate analogy. A better analogy would be a man doing 1/2 the work as a woman but being paid the same. The man who does 1/2 the work also is in a job that an unemployed woman could perform.
intenserunner wrote:
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
You don't have to eliminate the female division. You only have to replace the male division with open division. Juniors and masters are allowed to compete in the open division, but not vice versa. So you should allow anyone in the open division, including cis women if they choose to. Trans athletes can be treated as "girls" (or someone in transition) competing in the open division, instead of being treated as boys. Moni Davis played in the Little League WS. Michelle Wie and Annika Sorenstam competed in PGA events. So there is nothing wrong with females competing against males in the open division.
That way, you satisfy the trans athletes right to participate and still preserve the competitive fairness of the protected division.
Ya, the problem is this precedent of having "male" and "female" categories and expecting that only men compete in the "male" category, and that all women compete in this "female" category. If we stopped expecting this, then a transwomen would not feel like she needs to be in the "female" category in order to feel womanly. If we just base heats on seed times, rather than gender, and then offer rewards after for top female in the results, we would not have to worry about this at all.
This is not any different than the current system. The transgender athlete would still be a female, so she would get the top female award.
Stop trying to over-complicate it. Let the girl run with the girls.
Lenny Leonard wrote:
intenserunner wrote:
Ya, the problem is this precedent of having "male" and "female" categories and expecting that only men compete in the "male" category, and that all women compete in this "female" category. If we stopped expecting this, then a transwomen would not feel like she needs to be in the "female" category in order to feel womanly. If we just base heats on seed times, rather than gender, and then offer rewards after for top female in the results, we would not have to worry about this at all.
This is not any different than the current system. The transgender athlete would still be a female, so she would get the top female award.
Stop trying to over-complicate it. Let the girl run with the girls.
They are not a real girl, get over it.
start attacking and firing the administrators, and let them know that the too silent majority is fed up the their insane BS.
call em out
kick them out.
Think how easily all the issues about gender in sport could be resolved if we didn't try to segregate sports by gender.
The Caster Semenya problem of intersex wouldn't be an issue.
The trangender problem of men identifying as females racing against women wouldn't be an issue.
With just one set of competitions / races open to all, there'd be no issues around equal prize money.
If entry to the event is based on having fastest times / longest throws / highest jumps, no-one can complain they've been discriminated against.
Surely this is a solution that everybody can agree on?
