Seb Coe and the 5000m

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sheister wrote:

sorry but Dixon won Olympic tin in the 1500, and won the New York marathon.. (3.33 in 72) and (2.08 on a slow course in 84) most versatle Geb.... hmmmmmnnnnn

SO SORRY, Dixon clean, Geb epo.

History Major wrote:

I'm guessing Aouita 1:43 high, with 12:58 also?

Aouita ryhmes with EPO-EATER........

History Major wrote:

I'm guessing Aouita 1:43 high, with 12:58 also?

That was what I was thinking too

Coe was a good 800m runner who was able to run the longer distances 1500/mile due to epo usage, but at heart a 800m guy without the balls to run 5k or over.......the man never ran over 50 miles a week yet we are to believe that weight trainng and tons of speed work could get you down to 3:47 mile....... His father was his coach, the first and only runner he ever coached. I smell a drug fraud.

Seb did his base work at 5:15-5:30 a mile. He wasn't jogging at 6-7min miles. A much stronger aerobic stimulus needs less miles. El G does the same thing, very very fast distance runs and only 75 miles a week. Bernard Lagat, same thing. It's probably = to 80-90 miles a week at 6-7min pace.

Also peter did coach Marius Bakken for some time using these same theories.

citius99 wrote:

Seb did his base work at 5:15-5:30 a mile. He wasn't jogging at 6-7min miles. A much stronger aerobic stimulus needs less miles. El G does the same thing, very very fast distance runs and only 75 miles a week. Bernard Lagat, same thing. It's probably = to 80-90 miles a week at 6-7min pace.

COE, EL G., LAGAT, EPO USERS. John Walker ran 120 miles a week with 1:44 speed, that's how you won a gold medal BEFORE the age of epo. Now the epo frauds skip base phase, pop in some epo, and brush up on your speed work........How's your man Barry Bonds doing?

Yifter the shifter wrote:

citius99 wrote:

Seb did his base work at 5:15-5:30 a mile. He wasn't jogging at 6-7min miles. A much stronger aerobic stimulus needs less miles. El G does the same thing, very very fast distance runs and only 75 miles a week. Bernard Lagat, same thing. It's probably = to 80-90 miles a week at 6-7min pace.

COE, EL G., LAGAT, EPO USERS. John Walker ran 120 miles a week with 1:44 speed, that's how you won a gold medal BEFORE the age of epo. Now the epo frauds skip base phase, pop in some epo, and brush up on your speed work........How's your man Barry Bonds doing?

Of course, to get his EPO, Coe needed a TIME MACHINE so he could travel into the 90s to buy some. That's f***ing impressive, but Peter Coe was a VER bright man!

Was available in the late 80's. There has never really been any talk of Seb using EPO, as it wasn't arounf then, but there has always been talk of him blood doping.

Its likely that the drug was around in the 1980s. I would be intrigued to know how even a top middle distance runner could get ahold of it back before it was approved for its intended medical purposes.

And how did the Coe's and Aouita get this stuff before the East Germans? I thought they wrote the book on athletic enhancement through drugs?

And how did the Coe's and Aouita get this stuff before the East Germans? I thought they wrote the book on athletic enhancement through drugs?[/quote]

CYCLING.

EPO was not available in the days of Coe, Cram, Ovett, etc. Hadn't been invented. Coe ran a lot more than 50 MPW, as he himself admitted. If he had put in more of a base, he'd have run a faster mile (although he flew through the last 100 meters of his 3:47 race). If you want to look at EPO, look at KB and Geb who are the two best responders to the drug, not necessarily the most naturally talented Ethiopians. At the moment, the E. Africans (and a few other select folks) enjoy a fair amount of political protection when it comes to drug testing, reporting, etc. If anyone thinks that men like Rosa, Hermens, Kostre etc. keep all of their runners clean, then they haven't taken much of a look at the backgrounds of these wonderful 'advisors'.

[quote]am;rogjr wrote:

EPO was not available in the days of Coe, Cram, Ovett, etc. Hadn't been invented.

Black market epo was around a long time (mid to late 70's) before your bonafide CVS or local doctor epo........it came out of cylicng world....cycling was always more dirty than even track....in his fathers first book the index has a mention of epo, in the second edition of the same book the epo reference is dropped....Peter Coe, his father and coach, is one smart, slick dude...he was an engineer by trade. Engineered himself a gold medalist through weight lifing, speed work and epo. Who coaches only one champion runner and then disapeers? Peter Coe, that's who.

You have to ask yourself what put Seb over the top.... speed? no, Ryun was faster. Endurance? No, he didn't run over 50 miles per week? Weights? Nope, lots of weight lifters can't run. Epo? YUP! Ain't that some sad shit. Real break-throughs are made from new training. Ryun with intervals AND high mileage....Walker, only two seconds faster, with more mileage and periodization training....Coe did much less mileage, same interval stuff, don't tell me the weights made the differance.

[quote]Yifter the shifter wrote:

[quote]am;rogjr wrote:

EPO was not available in the days of Coe, Cram, Ovett, etc. Hadn't been invented.

Black market epo was around a long time (mid to late 70's) before your bonafide CVS or local doctor epo........it came out of cylicng world....

Note: some of the cyclists dropped dead from using it, blood too thick, now with the Africans they know how to thin it out......... Geb took 14 aspirin a day to keep it thin, nice stomach.

Somebody has no sense of reality.

1) Coe has said, "Up to 100 mile weeks".

2) What sense does it make to protect African runners who come from countries that can't put a dime into world athletics? Should the IAAF, who gets the majority of their money from Europe, Japan and the USA, be busting these supposed African cheats so that their base can start winning medals again?

Yifter the shifter wrote:

[quote]Yifter the shifter wrote:

[quote]am;rogjr wrote:

EPO was not available in the days of Coe, Cram, Ovett, etc. Hadn't been invented.

Black market epo was around a long time (mid to late 70's) before your bonafide CVS or local doctor epo........it came out of cylicng world....

Note: some of the cyclists dropped dead from using it, blood too thick, now with the Africans they know how to thin it out......... Geb took 14 aspirin a day to keep it thin, nice stomach.

Something usually doesn't make it to the black market before it exists. No black market radios in the 1700s. Sorry. No black market Vicodin in 1817. Whoops.

Yifter the shifter wrote:

You have to ask yourself what put Seb over the top.... speed? no, Ryun was faster. Endurance? No, he didn't run over 50 miles per week? .

Ryun was about a second slower than Coe over 400 meters; Coe ran a 45.5 split in 1979 and was faster in '81.

Coe ran well over 50 miles/week, but of course there are many who didn't---Spivey, Aouita, etc.

Tuone Udaina wrote:

Somebody has no sense of reality.

1) Coe has said, "Up to 100 mile weeks".

2) What sense does it make to protect African runners who come from countries that can't put a dime into world athletics? Should the IAAF, who gets the majority of their money from Europe, Japan and the USA, be busting these supposed African cheats so that their base can start winning medals again?

The problem is that many countries do have a pro-doping ethic which is officially, or semi-officially santioned. In this country, drug testing is quite strict, and quite good. Not so, in certain other countries: Jamaica, for example.