seasoned ranker wrote:
Jama's reindeer milk wrote:
Farah is not the GOAT. He's not even the best championship racer- Viren would take that title. Zatopek, Haile, or Kenny are the GOATS.
Did you quote the wrong post? Where did I claim Farah is the GOAT?
You didn't, but win a 3rd Olympic title over 10k and he'll be the GOAT. You can't wear a WR round your neck.
Anthos wrote:
LDoc wrote:
Agreed. But with the marathon training, I wonder if his strength will give him the endurance edge he didn't have before. I'd be slightly more concerned about it being slow with 2 laps to go.
I think he will find that winning championships by running times pple run 30 years ago just doesn't cut it anymore.
26:49 in 2017, run from the back and falling over en route was done in the 1980s? I missed that; I thought 27mins was broken in 1993 running all out.
yeah, but wrote:
He did Marathon train between titles as well. Still ran 3:28 too.
There is a difference between some training and full marathon training. 10k require more endurence speed than marathon, it's obvious.
Neither Bekele (10K Goat) or Kipchoge ( WR holder on marathon) could medal in the 10kin my opinion, they are past their atheletic prime and the longer distance on the road require more speed.
Mo Farah is older (losing speed) and has not done proper 10k training for a long time. Odds are that he will lose. He is only returning in the 10k because the Marathon has rejected him.
longjack wrote:
well you can do the 10k and then do the marathon, based on results to present focusing on he 10k is wise for Moe.
secondly , is it not established that the al sal crew were on soft peds right on the boarder line?
that is unless there comes out some new news?
given that the hard ped users are abound, left and right, it may well be that moe is the "cleaner" of the lot.
you know viren was dirty,
you know all the fins were dirty.
you know all the kiwis were clean
you know all the chinese women were dirty
you know all the atlas mountain guys were on the full meal deal.
you know all the middle distance records to 10k are more than suspect.
moe might be the cleaner of the lot. infact, that is what the above ground data says.
then again, everything real is under the surface.
this is the paradigm.
The paradigm is different:
Mo Farah is the most suspect and most dirty runner of all the groups you have mentionned:
Look at his international career: Most 5k-10k runners are in their prime between 20-25 years old, that's the time most PB are beaten. They stay competitive after but don't improve.
Mo Farah was a nobody until he reached age 28, in 2011, when he joined Salazar.
Before 2011 and Salazar , his result at world events (olympics, WC, WXC) were
2005 XC long race: 37th
2006 XC cross short race: 40th
2007 5k : 6th place
2007: XC long race: 11th
2008 5k: eliminated in heats before the final
2009 5k : 7th place
2010 XC long race: 20th place
In early 2001 he joined Salasazr at Age 28
2011 5k : gold
2011 10k : silver
2012 5k: gold
2013 10k : gold
2013 5k : gold
2015 5k: gold
2015 10k : gold
2016 5k: gold
2016 10k : gold
2017 5k : silver
2017 10k : gold
Mo Farah is the most suspicious athlete of all time.
Suddenly, after joining a camp where the main coach is banned for doping violations, he turned from a journeyman into a world beater.
It's the Lance Arsmstrong of Athletics.
Hammer to fall wrote:
yyy wrote:
I think age is catching up with him. He will not medal.
Agreed. Barega has zero respect for him. Farah will go to the front to try and slow things down as usual, and Barega will put the hammer down.
I wouldn't put much money against Farah, although I agree with other posters that having moved to the marathon probably hasn't helped him at his age. But remember, Tokyo is going to be hot. The marathon has been moved north to try to shave a few degrees off the marathon starting time. If it's hot on the track, it is extremely likely that the pace for the 10K will be slow and tactical. If that happens, we will see if Farah still has that speed . . .
LDoc wrote:
Anthos wrote:
I think he will find that winning championships by running times pple run 30 years ago just doesn't cut it anymore.
26:49 in 2017, run from the back and falling over en route was done in the 1980s? I missed that; I thought 27mins was broken in 1993 running all out.
And he also won the 2015 WCs 5k in an impressive 13:50.38.
Abeneziel wrote:
longjack wrote:
well you can do the 10k and then do the marathon, based on results to present focusing on he 10k is wise for Moe.
secondly , is it not established that the al sal crew were on soft peds right on the boarder line?
that is unless there comes out some new news?
given that the hard ped users are abound, left and right, it may well be that moe is the "cleaner" of the lot.
you know viren was dirty,
you know all the fins were dirty.
you know all the kiwis were clean
you know all the chinese women were dirty
you know all the atlas mountain guys were on the full meal deal.
you know all the middle distance records to 10k are more than suspect.
moe might be the cleaner of the lot. infact, that is what the above ground data says.
then again, everything real is under the surface.
this is the paradigm.
The paradigm is different:
Mo Farah is the most suspect and most dirty runner of all the groups you have mentionned:
Look at his international career: Most 5k-10k runners are in their prime between 20-25 years old, that's the time most PB are beaten. They stay competitive after but don't improve.
Mo Farah was a nobody until he reached age 28, in 2011, when he joined Salazar.
Before 2011 and Salazar , his result at world events (olympics, WC, WXC) were
2005 XC long race: 37th
2006 XC cross short race: 40th
2007 5k : 6th place
2007: XC long race: 11th
2008 5k: eliminated in heats before the final
2009 5k : 7th place
2010 XC long race: 20th place
In early 2001 he joined Salasazr at Age 28
2011 5k : gold
2011 10k : silver
2012 5k: gold
2013 10k : gold
2013 5k : gold
2015 5k: gold
2015 10k : gold
2016 5k: gold
2016 10k : gold
2017 5k : silver
2017 10k : gold
Mo Farah is the most suspicious athlete of all time.
Suddenly, after joining a camp where the main coach is banned for doping violations, he turned from a journeyman into a world beater.
It's the Lance Arsmstrong of Athletics.
If he had joined in 2001, shouldn’t he also be willing gold in 2005-2010?
Abeneziel wrote:
yeah, but wrote:
He did Marathon train between titles as well. Still ran 3:28 too.
There is a difference between some training and full marathon training. 10k require more endurence speed than marathon, it's obvious.
Neither Bekele (10K Goat) or Kipchoge ( WR holder on marathon) could medal in the 10kin my opinion, they are past their atheletic prime and the longer distance on the road require more speed.
Mo Farah is older (losing speed) and has not done proper 10k training for a long time. Odds are that he will lose. He is only returning in the 10k because the Marathon has rejected him.
He is also dodging the 5k bse he knows the current crop of 5k runners won't settle for his pedestrian running for 4600m, and doing a time trial for the last 400m. I don't think Cheptegei will settle for it either. I see two runners, one in his prime and improving (Cheptegei), another looking for a swan song (Farah). Runners will beat him cos they hv no fear of him, that's all. I remember the 2019 london marathon, the British press were calling him the favourite, and he may have believed it himself. But anyone who knows anything about marathon running knew there was no way he wd beat Kipchoge. His last marathon in Chicago was not a gd sign of how long he can sustain a strong pace. I am not sure what shoes he was wearing in Chicago, but he cd presently be the one single argument against Vapor flys helping with improved times.
dfa wrote:
Lmao. Lasse Virren never did a Quadruple Double like Mo (Twice the double at WC & Olympics).
Mo has the most amount of distance running hardware than anyone, including my boy Kenny B
Did you forget about XC? He def doesn’t not
*does not
Let's stop #metooing athletes who are connected to shady people. It's incredibly unfair. How about a little do process once in a while.
Too much smoke around Mo to not consider him very suspect with his performance.
Just like Paula.
First of all as some of have pointed out he should be banned for doping and skipping tests.
Secondly, Farah is the most overrrated runner in history. He's literally terrible. Can't run a fast pace to save his
life. He is a sit and kicker who needed EPO to beat anyone. He will lose and lose badly if he goes to Tokyo.
larkimm wrote:
Wonder how much we'll see of him on track in the next 8 months then? He'll want to post a quali time (27:28) but doesn't need to run the UK trials to get selected (can't see any other UK runners getting the time either).
But you'd expect him to want to have at least 1 run out against some of the current best over 10000m, and perhaps a sharpener or two over 5000m?
It's a brave decision. Would have been easy to say "Marathoning isn't working out for my body, so I've decided to retire from representing my country and will concentrate on non-championship road racing because I just enjoy it"
I can see him coming 4th or 5th in Tokyo, but can't ignore the possibility that he could still win. I'd love to see that, just to hear the love for him on this site from the usual posters ;-)
Yes he first has to qualify and be selected.
He will have embark on a few track races to get his track legs back.
Marathoning will have a carry over into his body wether he likes it or not, his track legs may not be as sharp.
Mo is older and Father Time in relation to speed doesn't hold a place for you, you slow down with raw speed.
Strong young group coming through in 5 and 10K, games a little different now, 7 men under 27 in 2019.
He's going to be coached by Al Sal. - "off the books"
Abeneziel wrote:
longjack wrote:
well you can do the 10k and then do the marathon, based on results to present focusing on he 10k is wise for Moe.
secondly , is it not established that the al sal crew were on soft peds right on the boarder line?
that is unless there comes out some new news?
given that the hard ped users are abound, left and right, it may well be that moe is the "cleaner" of the lot.
you know viren was dirty,
you know all the fins were dirty.
you know all the kiwis were clean
you know all the chinese women were dirty
you know all the atlas mountain guys were on the full meal deal.
you know all the middle distance records to 10k are more than suspect.
moe might be the cleaner of the lot. infact, that is what the above ground data says.
then again, everything real is under the surface.
this is the paradigm.
The paradigm is different:
Mo Farah is the most suspect and most dirty runner of all the groups you have mentionned:
Look at his international career: Most 5k-10k runners are in their prime between 20-25 years old, that's the time most PB are beaten. They stay competitive after but don't improve.
Mo Farah was a nobody until he reached age 28, in 2011, when he joined Salazar.
Before 2011 and Salazar , his result at world events (olympics, WC, WXC) were
2005 XC long race: 37th
2006 XC cross short race: 40th
2007 5k : 6th place
2007: XC long race: 11th
2008 5k: eliminated in heats before the final
2009 5k : 7th place
2010 XC long race: 20th place
In early 2001 he joined Salasazr at Age 28
2011 5k : gold
2011 10k : silver
2012 5k: gold
2013 10k : gold
2013 5k : gold
2015 5k: gold
2015 10k : gold
2016 5k: gold
2016 10k : gold
2017 5k : silver
2017 10k : gold
Mo Farah is the most suspicious athlete of all time.
Suddenly, after joining a camp where the main coach is banned for doping violations, he turned from a journeyman into a world beater.
It's the Lance Arsmstrong of Athletics.
It’s almost as if training under the best coach in the world can help you improve... but I’m sure it was only drugs.
Finisher.Ribbon_da.JV.Scrub wrote:
It’s almost as if training under the best coach in the world can help you improve... but I’m sure it was only drugs.
The " best coach in the world", the one now banned for doping violations, will never be able to turn a journeyman into the world best at such an advanced age.
28 years old is nearly past prime for a 5k runner.
longjack wrote:
The paradigm is different:
Mo Farah is the most suspect and most dirty runner of all the groups you have mentionned:
Look at his international career: Most 5k-10k runners are in their prime between 20-25 years old, that's the time most PB are beaten. They stay competitive after but don't improve.
Mo Farah was a nobody until he reached age 28, in 2011, when he joined Salazar.
Before 2011 and Salazar , his result at world events (olympics, WC, WXC) were
2005 XC long race: 37th
2006 XC cross short race: 40th
2007 5k : 6th place
2007: XC long race: 11th
2008 5k: eliminated in heats before the final
2009 5k : 7th place
2010 XC long race: 20th place
In early 2001 he joined Salasazr at Age 28
2011 5k : gold
2011 10k : silver
2012 5k: gold
2013 10k : gold
2013 5k : gold
2015 5k: gold
2015 10k : gold
2016 5k: gold
2016 10k : gold
2017 5k : silver
2017 10k : gold
Mo Farah is the most suspicious athlete of all time.
Suddenly, after joining a camp where the main coach is banned for doping violations, he turned from a journeyman into a world beater.
It's the Lance Arsmstrong of Athletics.
Bingo!
With this newfound marathon base, six weeks of hill bounding followed by some track work and he'll be better than ever.
Jogger Hobby wrote:
First of all as some of have pointed out he should be banned for doping and skipping tests.
Secondly, Farah is the most overrrated runner in history. He's literally terrible. Can't run a fast pace to save his
life. He is a sit and kicker who needed EPO to beat anyone. He will lose and lose badly if he goes to Tokyo.
He’s not insanely fast. So no EPO. He’s a great tactican. He’s also faster than any American that’s ever lived.
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