i’m not elite or sub elite (whatever that means) but ran on the mill everyday for a year when running fast wasn’t a priority but wanted to keep general fitness...when i returned to running outside it took my legs a solid 6 weeks to figure it out again. there is a difference and for that reason i now only run on the mill if absolutely necessary....so almost never.
Baltsu wrote:
I think that those runners who cannot do it have some serious mental issues. They don't feel comfortable when they are alone. They need excitement or at least tv or music because they don't like themselves very much.
What a strange take. I dislike running on treadmills for many of the same reasons other people do (overheating, weird pace, feels too hard and easy at the same time, boring). It is boring because it is the equivalent of sitting in a room in your house, alone, and staring at a wall, except you're also running. Sitting alone in a room for an hour is fine once in a while, but I wouldn't do it every day. When running outside, what you are looking at constantly changes and there is always something different to look at. However, you are still spending time in your own head, and you are similarly able to self-reflect. There is just more to look at than a wall. No mental health issues there.
Having spent time in northern Minnesota in December -February, I prefer running outside in the snow and sub-10 degrees F to treadmills. However, I understand that not everyone likes the snow as much as I. I can definitely respect running on a TM if it is pretty rough outside, I just hate it.
My last cycle I ran approximately 50% of my runs on the treadmill. This included workouts like thresholds abs mile repeats. Ran a half and full PR in February and April. 68:58 and 2:27. Treadmill is boring but better workout than slipping and sliding around in 3 layers of clothing.
I love winter running. Sometimes I even like it better than running in the fall.
In the Midwest the wind can get really bad and because it isn’t as cold as Minnesota, Michigan, or Wisconsin it’s usually very rainy and windy mixed with some sludge and ice when it freezes overnight.
Running outside in the snow is safe until a point. If it’s 3 or less inches you’re probably fine. Normal distance runs could probably be up to 5-6 inches. The problem is when you are changing your running form to fit the snow.
Treadmills are really boring. I always feel like it’s harder than running outside, and at the same time you feel like you’re running slower. I have done an 8 mile tempo on a treadmill and just put a movie on, the issue is you can never get to into the movie because every now and then you have to check where you are on the treadmill so you don’t fall off or something
They aren't sub elite. Treadmills suck because you stare at the same spot for the entire run. Plus it is difficult to stretch out your stride to normal length when going fast.
Ok. But, about my question? I reached treadmill max speed 20 km/h, and still have to run on a treadmill approx. 1 month more, due to my seaman life, how I should proceed with workouts at 5K, if I already need to run 21km/h?
Ingebrigtsen was found solution in Doha, as he faced with same issue, could not find faster treadmill. He played with max speed 20km/h, but put inclination, so need details:
21km/h is = 20km/h + incline ....1%, 2%...?
22km/h is = 20km/h + incline... 1%, 2%...?
Need good correlation conversion.
Can I use
??
Please quit spamming the forum with your web page.
Canefis wrote:
Ok. But, about my question? I reached treadmill max speed 20 km/h, and still have to run on a treadmill approx. 1 month more, due to my seaman life, how I should proceed with workouts at 5K, if I already need to run 21km/h?
Ingebrigtsen was found solution in Doha, as he faced with same issue, could not find faster treadmill. He played with max speed 20km/h, but put inclination, so need details:
21km/h is = 20km/h + incline ....1%, 2%...?
22km/h is = 20km/h + incline... 1%, 2%...?
Need good correlation conversion.
Can I use
42.195km.net/e/treadsim/??
Weren't you on the following thread, informing us that "Don't use more than 2% at easy runs. Very carefully warm up and cool down, treadmill running is much harder and bigger load than outdoor, especially with gradient (can destroy your achills)", and "Speed correlation treadmill and outdoor is the same."??
So now you understand the issues raised in the thread, or that was not you?
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10185996Over the years, the mill saves lots of wear and tear on your joints and tendons. I ran a sub 2:50 in Bend OR (very hilly course) with 80% of my mileage on the mill, and I was over the age of 45 at the time. You have to keep in mind, though, that it isn't the same as running on the roads. On the mill, I figured I had to adjust my pace up at least 10% to be the equivalent of running on a road. It worked. It's nice to be able to run and not be subjected to awful weather, as well.
hr measurement wrote:
Canefis wrote:
Ok. But, about my question? I reached treadmill max speed 20 km/h, and still have to run on a treadmill approx. 1 month more, due to my seaman life, how I should proceed with workouts at 5K, if I already need to run 21km/h?
Ingebrigtsen was found solution in Doha, as he faced with same issue, could not find faster treadmill. He played with max speed 20km/h, but put inclination, so need details:
21km/h is = 20km/h + incline ....1%, 2%...?
22km/h is = 20km/h + incline... 1%, 2%...?
Need good correlation conversion.
Can I use
42.195km.net/e/treadsim/??
Weren't you on the following thread, informing us that "Don't use more than 2% at easy runs. Very carefully warm up and cool down, treadmill running is much harder and bigger load than outdoor, especially with gradient (can destroy your achills)", and "Speed correlation treadmill and outdoor is the same."??
So now you understand the issues raised in the thread, or that was not you?
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10185996
It was me. Now I have faced with lack of speed on my mill.
Ok, for easy paces I still have a room, but for the workouts.... need 21-22 km/h already... :(((
Alright.
For athlete, who has already developed speed more than 20 km/h is not a problem temporary use treadmill at 20km/h + some inclination.
But for runner, who is developing speed, it is a big problem...
21km/h at 0% is not equal to 20km/h+incline, as you teach your body and inject speed in your muscles...
In the beginning of my training I thought that 20 km/h on treadmill will be enough within next 4 months, now I have passed 3 months, and already not enough.... progress is unexpectedly fast... it is curious case...
I am pissed off.
Canefis wrote:
Alright.
For athlete, who has already developed speed more than 20 km/h is not a problem temporary use treadmill at 20km/h + some inclination.
But for runner, who is developing speed, it is a big problem...
21km/h at 0% is not equal to 20km/h+incline, as you teach your body and inject speed in your muscles...
In the beginning of my training I thought that 20 km/h on treadmill will be enough within next 4 months, now I have passed 3 months, and already not enough.... progress is unexpectedly fast... it is curious case...
I am pissed off.
So just crank up the incline. In doing so, you can take your HR higher than what you could run on a flat outside, if you wanted to. Sure, the specificity of leg musculature development on an inclined treadmill (and neuromuscular development) may be different than flat earth running at same HR's, but it's not totally out-of-line (in comparison to doing something like shoulder presses), and developing the different leg muscle patterns could have some benefit, in its own right.
But regarding the "correlation conversion", I think the Treadmill Calculator is too generous; even the chart at hilltop runner.com is just a guide, and may not be conservative enough for higher inclines. One's gait and the bounce of the treadmill will affect the conversion, and you may likely find out once you get on solid ground, it's going to take some sessions to get your running legs back to snuff, and the treadmill turned out to be optimistic in its projected pacing,
hr measurement wrote:
But regarding the "correlation conversion", I think the Treadmill Calculator is too generous; even the chart at hilltop runner.com is just a guide, and may not be conservative enough for higher inclines. One's gait and the bounce of the treadmill will affect the conversion, and you may likely find out once you get on solid ground, it's going to take some sessions to get your running legs back to snuff, and the treadmill turned out to be optimistic in its projected pacing,
I tested today this:
Changed incline from 1% to 0%, while running easy pace, result: heart rate 4 bpm down.
Changed incline from 0% to 1%, while running same easy pace, result: heart rate 4 bpm up.
hr measurement wrote:
But regarding the "correlation conversion", I think the Treadmill Calculator is too generous; even the chart at hilltop runner.com is just a guide, and may not be conservative enough for higher inclines. One's gait and the bounce of the treadmill will affect the conversion, and you may likely find out once you get on solid ground, it's going to take some sessions to get your running legs back to snuff, and the treadmill turned out to be optimistic in its projected pacing,
I tested today this:
Changed incline from 1% to 0%, while running easy pace, result: heart rate 4 bpm down.
Changed incline from 0% to 1%, while running same easy pace, result: heart rate 4 bpm up.
nonary ant wrote:
First of all, 2:40 male marathoner is in no way a sub-elite. I'm a minute faster than than that and am still just a club runner, barely competitive in local races. There are guys with full time day jobs who can just outclass me on the race day leaving no chances, even if they bonk I won't catch up those 10-15 minutes. It can even be argued that 2:40 is not sub-elite for females ffs.
I have a home treadmill and use it a lot during winter for easy and moderate running. Doing 'workouts' on it is not sustainable. There are two reasons for that. First, the lowest I can keep my home gym while keeping the rest of the house is about 55 degrees, and even at that with a large fan on I would overheat and be drenched in sweat. Second, the higher end speeds are not sustainable. Marathon pace - both by feel and by footpod measurements - can be 10.2 mph setting one day, 10.6 later that same day when the motor heats up and 10.4 the other day; it's still somewhat usable, but everything faster is even more all over the place with top setting of 12 mph sometimes giving actual pace around 5:30/mile, so lower than my 5K pace. My treadmill is a 3hp model, retailing for around $1000.
These two factors combined, I would always at least try to do a 'workout' outside or on indoor track and only use treadmill as last resort. Long runs are also undesirable as sweating increases exponentially and becomes unbearable at 80-90 min range. But unless you call all runs 'workouts', I won't hesitate to jump on it for an easy one. Of course, running outside is more fun and generally feels easier, but you have to get through that part of getting out of the house into the terrible dark and cold before it becomes fun and comfortable. Also, safer and no snow on treadmill.
how do you overheat at 55 degrees with a large fan in front? are u a bear?
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Could you elaborate on this?😂
I think treadmills can have some perks, but generally I think people just hate them because they’re so boring. I do think it helps up your mental game, though. Another pro is generally it’s hotter/more humid inside on a treadmill (depends of course) so can be good heat training. But this also affects HR so for me personally my HR is always a bit higher on treadmills due to the heat/humidity and lack of wind resistance. I think they also say you need to do at least a 0.1 grade for wind resistance to make it comparable to outside? Another factor to consider is treadmills are more repetitive on your body vs outside you’re changing terrain or elevation or turning, etc.
I ran 4:04 in the mile during an indoor season where I ran 90%+ of my runs and workouts on a treadmill. I didn’t mind it. Granted, I was only doing 30-45 minute runs most of the time. A 90 minute run on the treadmill would suck