A lot of insecure dudes that can barely break 16 minutes for the 5k and that is all they do. Run! Here we have a talented all around athlete that can beat 98% of the posters on LRC in a 5k race and beat the living daylights out them as well.
A lot of insecure dudes that can barely break 16 minutes for the 5k and that is all they do. Run! Here we have a talented all around athlete that can beat 98% of the posters on LRC in a 5k race and beat the living daylights out them as well.
Chick who loves MMA wrote:
What sort of times do female boxers run?
Pics?
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
newredsun wrote:
Huh? My daughter runs CC for a high school in a state with a population of about 13 million where the boys and girls teams not long ago both won the state team championships in the largest schools division and the boys team has only a handful of runners regularly under 18 minutes with a couple stars who can just dip under 16 minutes.
There are 100 kids on the girls team and 100 on the boys team.
This is one of the premiere running programs in the region with frequent scholarship winners, often to DI.
Do you reside in a state identified by the abbreviation PED?
Not sure where 16min guys are getting D1 scholarships. I graduated high school 13 years ago and American running has greatly improved since then at all levels.
No one was getting a D1 scholarship at 16min. May at 15:30 but a very small one and at any school contending for NCAA's you'd be a walk on.
I don't know what you define as premier. But on a fast course, most "premier" teams have numerous guys who can run under 16. My team was a top team in California my senior year. We had at least 25 guys who could go sub 18. The top 5 on our JV team could all go sub 17 and several of the frosh-soph team who weren't good enough for varsity as well. We were a good team for sure and had several guys go D1 but there were better programs even in our region.
For clarity, see the results for the state finals for PA for 2018. It is disingenuous and humble-bragging to bring California into the conversation. The state is as large as many advanced nations although those other advanced nations do not suffer the street dung and vagrancy problems of most Cali big cities.
Skmcf wrote:
newredsun wrote:
Huh? My daughter runs CC for a high school in a state with a population of about 13 million where the boys and girls teams not long ago both won the state team championships in the largest schools division and the boys team has only a handful of runners regularly under 18 minutes with a couple stars who can just dip under 16 minutes.
Try reading that sentence out loud without taking a breath.
I always shrink at the thought of having to have a conversation at a cookout or dinner with someone who enters a substantive debate on a message board as a grammar Nazi, especially when the Nazi has no legitimate grammar complaint.
How long could I keep that frozen smile on my face?
newredsun wrote:
Sorry you’re slow wrote:
You must be quite the “runner” if you think breaking 17 or 18 is some great athletic achievement worthy of suspicion. Anyone with a lick of talent who is doing a lot of endurance training and is not overweight can run that. I basically stopped running cold turkey and got intro strength training, put on 25 pounds and 10 months later still ran low 17s on a whim (had been in the 14s before).
Huh? My daughter runs CC for a high school in a state with a population of about 13 million where the boys and girls teams not long ago both won the state team championships in the largest schools division and the boys team has only a handful of runners regularly under 18 minutes with a couple stars who can just dip under 16 minutes.
There are 100 kids on the girls team and 100 on the boys team.
This is one of the premiere running programs in the region with frequent scholarship winners, often to DI.
Do you reside in a state identified by the abbreviation PED?
If the boys team only has a handful of runners regularly under 18 minutes, then you either:
a) live in a very noncompetitive state, or compete in a smaller classification (we know there are multiple divisions based on school populations, for most/all? states)
b) run extremely difficult courses
Already, I dug into this and total FAKE NEWS. He did not run 14:26, sounds like it was a game/scam fooling around trying to get him out of boxing and into running so he could preserve his health.
NF. wrote:
If he's a boxer, than I'm an Astronaut.
THEN I’m an astronaut.
https://runningmagazine.ca/the-scene/pro-boxer-reminisces-about-his-fastest-5000m-race/JOURNALIS wrote:
Already, I dug into this and total FAKE NEWS. He did not run 14:26, sounds like it was a game/scam fooling around trying to get him out of boxing and into running so he could preserve his health.
I've done both. In boxing circles a 17min 5k was viewed as being really really fit- but most of the guys I trained with who had been involved in athletics came from the sprints. Most of the pro's below a certain weight would be in 18min range when in very good shape but I bet some of those fast-twitch guys could tear up a 200m.
If a boxer is running under 16min in a 5k it's because they're a lightweight guy who has been putting a ton of emphasis on their running and also has a natural talent for running.
Boxers are way, way, way fitter than runners. Boxing is very much a cardio sport, and competitive boxers have insane cardio.
I'm not even a good boxer (15 amateur fights) or runner but I've run / won road races with 16:30 5ks while training. I've seen a guy in my area run 9:40s for 2 miles while training for the golden gloves.
A state or regional class amateur 3-round fighter typically runs 3-5 miles a day on top of another 2 hours of training including 15 - 20 minutes of jump rope. A good pro fighter is doing more like 5 - 8 miles several times a week.
Boxing rings are absorbent and absolutely drain your legs. Moving around the ring for 3 minutes feels like running 20 second sprints with 20 second jogs in the sand. I've seen excellent runners gas out from one or two minutes of sparring. Sparring might be 4-5 rounds once or twice a week (more leading up to a longer pro fight). In addition to this, most shadowboxing is done in the ring.
The pacing of fights / sparring is incredibly taxing. You explode, rest, explode, rest, explode, rest, ... plus your dealing with unwanted physical pain in addition to the self-induced cardio-type pain. Running feels easy afterwards.
I'd imagine most competitive 152 lbers and below -- 170 max before weight cuts -- can run sub 20. Those who do a little speed work would have relatively little difficulty breaking 18 minutes. I think a sub-15 5k is special.
14:26 is an impressive time, regardless of this boxer's running background. Some boxers who rely on their endurance and quickness I think would make really good distance runners. Billy Mills was originally a boxer before he started running, he eventually won the 1964 Tokyo 10,000m.
This may be a stretch but I think Floyd Mayweather Jr. would have been a really good middle-distance runner. He's light, but also relatively built, typical of a strong middle-distance runner. I think he would have been a strong 800m/1500m runner.
superstars UK wrote:
I remember seening Anthony Joshua, a boxing HEAVYWEIGHT, absolutely destroy Mo Farah in a 100m running race on a UK TV show. Farah is noted as being the best sprint finisher among the world's distance runners and yet he stood no chance. I could not understand what I saw - I had seen Peter Snell and Ivo van Damme hold their own against other sports stars in the 100m race on a similar type of TV show.
I saw that race too. Anthony Joshua is a truly extraordinary athlete. He is a good boxer, but in my opinion a better all-around athlete, several standard deviations above the mean.
Carl Froch, former super middleweight champion, probably walk around at 170-180 pounds at least, said this about his running:
"I hate running, but when you get to this level, if you aren’t prepared to become a semi-professional runner, you might as well quit. Running is your bread and butter: the core fitness from which everything else is built. When I train, I probably run five times a week, and this is anything from 80-metre sprints to full-on 10ks. I can now do six miles in less than 40 minutes, which is an extremely fast time for someone carrying so much muscle. Young boxers might find it a massive kick in the balls when they realise what’s required to become champion, but it all pays off in the ring.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/11149277/Carl-Froch-10-things-no-one-tells-you-before-you-become-a-professional-boxer.htmlillinoisjones wrote:
This may be a stretch but I think Floyd Mayweather Jr. would have been a really good middle-distance runner. He's light, but also relatively built, typical of a strong middle-distance runner. I think he would have been a strong 800m/1500m runner.
Probably not a stretch. He said he was running eight miles at a 6 minute per pace before one of his fight.
Mikeh33 wrote:
superstars UK wrote:
I remember seening Anthony Joshua, a boxing HEAVYWEIGHT, absolutely destroy Mo Farah in a 100m running race on a UK TV show. Farah is noted as being the best sprint finisher among the world's distance runners and yet he stood no chance. I could not understand what I saw - I had seen Peter Snell and Ivo van Damme hold their own against other sports stars in the 100m race on a similar type of TV show.
I saw that race too. Anthony Joshua is a truly extraordinary athlete. He is a good boxer, but in my opinion a better all-around athlete, several standard deviations above the mean.
Carl Froch, former super middleweight champion, probably walk around at 170-180 pounds at least, said this about his running:
"I hate running, but when you get to this level, if you aren’t prepared to become a semi-professional runner, you might as well quit. Running is your bread and butter: the core fitness from which everything else is built. When I train, I probably run five times a week, and this is anything from 80-metre sprints to full-on 10ks. I can now do six miles in less than 40 minutes, which is an extremely fast time for someone carrying so much muscle. Young boxers might find it a massive kick in the balls when they realise what’s required to become champion, but it all pays off in the ring.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/11149277/Carl-Froch-10-things-no-one-tells-you-before-you-become-a-professional-boxer.html
Except that's not extremely fast for that weight.
pugi list wrote:
He's a boxer with good running genetics. It's not really about his training, just like any other person with running talent.
Plenty of other boxers look and train the same and would be lucky to break 20
This thread needs to end here. This is the total and only summation.
Pretty sure Darwin could run 14:26 or faster if he had any real incentive to. He ran pretty much full time in college (from what I understand, at least), while maintaining his boxing fitness on the side - then started training full time as a pro boxer in 2013 or so. I know he ran at the USA XC championships in St Louis in 2013, and ran respectably considering the type of training he was doing (39:xx for 12k).
He is also pretty light, not surprisingly. Maybe 140?
I grew and went to school in an area where there were a lot of boxers, some were really good amateurs, some Olympians and some solid professionals.
I’d see some of the light weight boxers running in the park where I trained and they could really run. Some people here way under estimate how fit light weight boxers are. Also other than their arms which they’ve build up, the rest of their bodies looked similar to a distance runner.
Mikeh33 wrote:
illinoisjones wrote:
This may be a stretch but I think Floyd Mayweather Jr. would have been a really good middle-distance runner. He's light, but also relatively built, typical of a strong middle-distance runner. I think he would have been a strong 800m/1500m runner.
Probably not a stretch. He said he was running eight miles at a 6 minute per pace before one of his fight.
And of course we all know that boxers -like the pro heavyweight who once told me that he ran 6 miles every morning in 30 minutes- are infallible sources of information when it comes to their roadwork.
Raging Bulls#@t wrote:
Mikeh33 wrote:
Probably not a stretch. He said he was running eight miles at a 6 minute per pace before one of his fight.
And of course we all know that boxers -like the pro heavyweight who once told me that he ran 6 miles every morning in 30 minutes- are infallible sources of information when it comes to their roadwork.
Obviously a heavy weight couldn’t run like that but some light weights definitely can.
Ciro wrote:
I grew and went to school in an area where there were a lot of boxers, some were really good amateurs, some Olympians and some solid professionals.
I’d see some of the light weight boxers running in the park where I trained and they could really run. Some people here way under estimate how fit light weight boxers are. Also other than their arms which they’ve build up, the rest of their bodies looked similar to a distance runner.
I agree. some of the hobby joggers here would do well to drop in a boxing gym from time to time.