EPO Linked To NOP Athlete in 2011

Levels of doping wrote:

Does this move the US ahead of Russia in distance running doping?

1) Ethiopia/Kenya

2) Middle East/Turkey

3) Morocco/Algeria

4) USA

5) Russia

No...you got that all wrong. Here's the real situation based on sound research:

1)Russia

2)Ukraine/Belarus

3)Morocco

4)Kenya

5)Ethiopia

Doping is so bad in Russia (over 70 bans for ABP-hematological anomalies plus numerous doping positives!) that they were given the death penalty! Ukraine & Belarus (former Soviet block nations) are both on the IAAF's "most likely to dope" watch list. Ukraine has the 3rd highest ABP infraction bans. Belarus has several ABP infractions plus their 2015 800m WC just recently tested positive! ? Both countries have quite few positives on retests from Daegu & the London Olympics.

Morocco has the 2nd highest number of ABP infraction bans behind Russia with over a dozen. Plus they continue to test positive for EPO and steroids. Also things aren't looking very good for them with the current state of affairs in that country (see article below).

Both Kenya & Ethiopia are also on the IAAF's "most likely to dope" list. And Kenyan athletes continue to test positive on a regular basis for PEDs heavily slanted toward testosterone & steroid positives.

Unlikely wrote:

If Magness was the source then this would’ve come up during the USADA investigation. He was able to point to specific charts of Galens from when he was 15 that said he MIGHT have been on testosterone, but he didn’t mention that the blood work of an athlete shows they were likely on EPO? Seems unlikely to me

It sure would be nice if we knew who performed this blood test. At first, I thought the results were from an official doping test, but after looking at the article again, I'm not so sure. The wording describing the blood tests is very general and unspecific: "An athlete...provided an anomalous blood sample..." "[We] have obtained blood test results..." I now wonder if this wording means the tests were done on the athlete's behalf to make sure he tested clean in Daegu. Or maybe these are official blood test results, and the wording is designed to draw attention away from drug testing agencies.

As for whether it was Magness, I see your point. But I could see USADA only mentioning these test results if their investigation turned up enough evidence to bring charges of blood doping. I don't remember seeing reference to adverse blood tests in either the leaked USADA documents or any of the stories. So maybe Magness gave USADA the results, and is haring them with journalists now because USADA didn't bring charges based on them.

Or maybe it's someone else, who is releasing this to journalists as a way to keep pressure on USADA to investigate athletes as well. As we know, a lot of people think Salazar was the tip of the NOP iceberg.

It’s just that a value of 2.6 is WAY higher than the generally accepted cutoff value of 2.0, so I’d tend to think that if USADA had their hands on this, it would’ve materialized into something more. I agree though that the wording here is very ambiguous. Here’s my conspiracy theory: it was a private lab that did the test (or whoever NOP was working with) to, as you said, test the athletes values before heading off to Daegu. That would explain why the athlete never got popped for putting out those values. It would then make sense that they leaked the test results to the press themself, because if it was a coach/insider with access to all of the private tests that did it, they probably would’ve leaked the others as well. Maybe the athlete only had one or two of these results that they were cc’d on in an email or something, hence why they couldn’t provide a trove of damning evidence.

I just think that Magness has been too loud and outspoken about this to NOT at least tweet about it if he knew. He’s used his social media as a platform to pressure the media/USADA into looking into these things already, I feel like this would’ve been the smoking gun for him to silence all of the doubters/NOP fanboys.

It's been so long now, but was 2011 the year their 1500m gal that had qualified dropped out last minute from the competition? She claimed an injury, then showed an MRI for the wrong leg, then was seen doing squats just a few days later?

That athlete disappeared QUICK after she retired from the track.

webby wrote:

London Bridge is Falling Down wrote:

Are they coming anonymously to journalists rather than participating in the USADA investigation as to not incriminate themselves?

Why would anyone turn to USADA if they wanted to bring a doping program to light? Journalists are the only reason that any doping evidence ever sees the light of day. On the rare occasions that USADA, IAAF, WADA, etc, act, it's because journalists or hackers force them to do something to maintain the charade that they want to fight doping.

Is this still not obvious to some of you?

Correct. This is the only way that Farah's misdeeds will ever be exposed.

Michael Scarn wrote:

It's been so long now, but was 2011 the year their 1500m gal that had qualified dropped out last minute from the competition? She claimed an injury, then showed an MRI for the wrong leg, then was seen doing squats just a few days later?

That athlete disappeared QUICK after she retired from the track.

You are thinking Treniere Moser, who dropped out of the 2013 Worlds in Moscow.

For those who don't recall the details:

Who's this Ciaran?

This Ciaran

Gone to ground?

A blast from another past wrote:

Michael Scarn wrote:

It's been so long now, but was 2011 the year their 1500m gal that had qualified dropped out last minute from the competition? She claimed an injury, then showed an MRI for the wrong leg, then was seen doing squats just a few days later?

That athlete disappeared QUICK after she retired from the track.

You are thinking Treniere Moser, who dropped out of the 2013 Worlds in Moscow.

For those who don't recall the details:

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5333708https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6549756

Yes, that's her. Thanks for finding that. Looks like I was off by 2 years. Strange string of events, nonetheless.

Michael Scarn wrote:

Yes, that's her. Thanks for finding that. Looks like I was off by 2 years. Strange string of events, nonetheless.

You are welcome, but I got lucky. For once, the LRC search worked, and those two popped up right away.

You are right, that whole episode was just odd. (I'd completely forgotten about the MRIs. Did we ever figure out what happened there?) I'm tempted to read that thread again. I'm curious to see how it looks in light of everything we've learned about NOP since then.

PS Speaking of strange strings, do you remember the mystery around her at USAs in 2016? I'd forgotten it until just now. She ran in the prelims, and then disappeared before the semis. A few weeks later, she re-surfaced on SM, and said she'd had a calf injury. Given her age, just disappearing for a few weeks to let the dust settle seemed plausible, but it was definitely another "strange string of events."

Michael Scarn wrote:

It's been so long now, but was 2011 the year their 1500m gal that had qualified dropped out last minute from the competition? She claimed an injury, then showed an MRI for the wrong leg, then was seen doing squats just a few days later?

That athlete disappeared QUICK after she retired from the track.

Treniere Moser

Yes, just completely disappeared.

Lie detectors are nowadays extremely accurate.

All top runners should take one and this might clean up the sport.

No, you dont make it mandatory but you do keep a list of all who took

the test and those who passed it.

"when they go low, we go high" - July 27, 2016

Looks like Round 2 could be coming up.

"treniere_moser

This week some people tried to bring me down and question my character. Then this ??, "when they go low, we go high". ? her!"

LetsRun?

2011 was a breakthrough year for Desiree Davila as well.

2:22:38 and 2nd at Boston

31:37 lifetime pb never close again

15:08 lifetime pb never close again

All 3 of these performances came in the same year and she never sniffed them again. I have always been suspicious

Timeline of events wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

This just proves that testing systems in the countries that so sanctimoniously point fingers at Kenya, for catching actual cheats, are woefully inadequate and can’t be trusted. The WADA report revealed that Kenyan dopers are likely to get caught because their methods are crude and unsophisticated, but what happens western dopers who evade detection with the backing of cutting-edge science easily available to them?

El K in 2011 "Kenyans don't dope!!!!"

El K in 2015 "only no name Kenyans runners dope"

El K in 2017 "this can't be happening, it must be a setup!"

El K in 2018 "I'm outta here, I can't take all these Kenyan busts"

El K in 2019 "everyone is doping but only Kenyans are getting caught"

A similar Renato timeline would be priceless.

casual obsever wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Might be the remnants of a smaller transfusion.

No, the reticulocytes went up, not the Hct. So it wasn't altitude either.

But this fits with Farah's and Rupp's likely doping status in 2015/16. Here's to hoping that those values get leaked too!

Ha! My bad, been too lazy to read. This sounds, given the proximity to the WCs, like a modest dosage of EPO. It couldn't be classed as micro-dosing given the ret levels and yet whoever it was, they got away with it. This explains everything about the sport, you can take epo at modest levels, run fast and get away with it. All super times are bogus.

Tour de France may actually have the modern solution.

I believe they don't care what you use as long as your hematocrit has a reading of 40 or below.

Only major competitions could regulate something like this and therefore only those meets

would award money.

You must mean 50 or below?