A guy from our university's club ultimate frisbee team entered the home track meet 1500m when I was there and ran 3:57.
A guy from our university's club ultimate frisbee team entered the home track meet 1500m when I was there and ran 3:57.
coolstory wrote:
Literally less than 1% of the U.S. population can go sub 4:30. Probably less than 0.50%.
Sport climbers?? LOLZ. Using Andrew Wheating as an example LOLZ...... he's an extreme outlier.
For all of you saying this is a doable feat for SO MANY PEOPLE, provide some credible statistics that would suggest the sample size is reasonably reflective of the larger population.
Could you point me to where people were saying it is a doable feat for SO MANY PEOPLE? I must have missed it. People are saying there are certainly SOME midfielders, certainly SOME nordic skiiers, certainly SOME ultimate players, etc.
Nordic skiers are aerobic monsters.
The highest VO2-max numbers come from cross-country skiers, who have tested as high as 96 ml/kg/min. What makes them the fittest athletes? The crosscountry events are some of the longest in the Olympics, up to 50 kilometers (31 miles), and they cover the toughest terrain, including steep climbs. Compared to other sports like swimming (mostly upper-body muscles), cycling (lower body without much upper body) and running (mostly lower body with arms swinging freely), cross-country skiers actively use their upper-body muscles to pole up hills and in the flats, and of course need strong hips and legs to move the skis. Because they use both the upper- and lower body in tandem, they must also engage core muscles in the abdomen and lower back, some of the largest in the human body.
Maybe the better way to look at this is how many sub 4:30 milers could play at the highest level of another sport, and what sports could they do this in.
I'd venture that 4:30 milers are more likely to have other athletic skills than the general population-- and;
I'd say an athletic 4:30 miler could excel in just about any sport in which you did not have to be very heavily muscled-- including football (think Jerry Rice) or Hockey (Gretzky).
il duce wrote:
A guy from our university's club ultimate frisbee team entered the home track meet 1500m when I was there and ran 3:57.
No he didn't. Or he was a track star in HS and you go to either Oregon or Colorado
ASide from cross-country skiers and soccer players, I'm skeptical of most of the other suggestions.
good one wrote:
il duce wrote:
A guy from our university's club ultimate frisbee team entered the home track meet 1500m when I was there and ran 3:57.
No he didn't. Or he was a track star in HS and you go to either Oregon or Colorado
He did run track at his high school in New York. I did not go to Oregon or Colorado. Why would I make that up?
stefan hahking wrote:
sowhat wrote:
Sure, i agree there are some high schoolers that play soccer who can run 4:30.
The question is can 'a' singular athlete in another sport run 4:30. You're acknowledging that a high schooler can do it but supporting the contention that world class midfielders can't?
sowhat wrote:
Saying there are cases "everywhere" is a huge exaggeration.
You stated some high school soccer players can run 4:30. Where are they and where aren't they? Are their countries that play soccer where this wouldn't be the case? In the US are all of them only in Oklahoma? Why would that be?
sowhat wrote:
World class midfielders are a different story
This is all that I was contending, as Bad Wig stated that world class midfielders running 4:30 was 'nonsense'
sowhat wrote:
And if there are scores and scores of soccer players that can do this, show me the data and results. Hearsay isn't credible.
There are soccer players who can do this. You agreed with that twice in your post. I technically did this myself as I played club soccer through senior year and ran well under 4:30 on the track. There are not people studying this as it doesn't matter, so no data and no results. So I can't prove it (outside of my specific story which is enough for the first question in the thread) in the same way you can't prove the opposite because again, there are no studies. So you too are using hearsay for everything you're contending. Lack of evidence for the other side is not evidence for your argument.
Solid rebuttal. My response may have been poorly written. However, my response was intended to imply that there are "some" meaning "not a lot," of high schoolers that can do it. When i said world class mid fielders are a different story, i was implying the percentage of pro soccer players that can do it would definitely be higher, though i did not quantify a number. I disagree that "almost every" pro mid fielder could accomplish the 4:30 (sub) time. We probably will never know.
Quote by Larry Bird:
"My best time in the mile was 5:08, going into my senior year at Indiana State. That was once in a lifetime. Usually I ran it in 5:30, 5:35."
most every elite footballer can run the 430 mile.
Steffi Graf reportedly ran an 800m time trial in just a few seconds over 2:00 flat.
Some soccer player, although soccer players, like basketball and football players, never run hard for that length of time. They run a lot, but it's either jogging or sprinting/cutting.
WTA wrote:
Steffi Graf reportedly ran an 800m time trial in just a few seconds over 2:00 flat.
No, I don't think it was close to 2 flat. She ran the time trial and it was unimpressive enough that she chose tennis to pursue. If she had run close to 2 she would have taken up athletics.
Speed skating has not been mentioned as a sport from which a 4:30 miler is possible with no additional training. Perhaps Eric Heiden, Apolo Ohno, or Dan Jensen could have pulled it off during their prime.
Stephanie Graf ran 1:56.41 for 800 meters. However, she did not play tennis.
And all this talk of Nordic skiers all being naturally good runners is ignoring the major disadvantage of carrying extra upper body weight.
Speed skaters are trained to a radically different type of movement from running.
Bad Wigins wrote:
And all this talk of Nordic skiers all being naturally good runners is ignoring the major disadvantage of carrying extra upper body weight.
Speed skaters are trained to a radically different type of movement from running.
You also idiotically thought that world-class midfielders wouldn't be able to do it.
There have been plenty of jacked guys that have broken 4:30 in the history of the world. And they likely didn't have the VO2 max of Nordic skiiers.
nobody has mentioned cross country running. Some serious track potential in that crew.
From 1978 to 1980 the late Canadian soccer star Brian Budd won the televised World Superstars Competition (which had athletes from various sports competing against each other in events to test their versatility) three straight times. In each of those competitions he won the 880-yard run in the high 1:50s, and that was while easing up, because he destroyed the competition; he could have easily gone sub-4:30 in the mile.
Budd also won the chin-up event in Superstars, going well north of 40 reps in one minute. He was one of the most all-around gifted athletes I'd ever seen, with superior strength, speed, endurance, and agility, and had he chosen to do so no doubt could've been world class in other sports besides soccer.
Peter_North_Ropes wrote:
Most NBA players
Allen Iverson ran 4:23 1600 in training camp one year.
Steph Curry went 4:12 in the 1500.
Larry Bird was rumored to have a 4:03 mile out of college.
I’d be shocked if any of them ran under 5:15.