Holy Moly!! A legit 18 year old just ran 13:02!! J. Ingebrigtsen 53 last 400m.

Bad Wigins wrote:

They were running 64's nearly the whole way, 13:13 pace, barely faster than HG's 12 1/2 laps before the bell in the Ethio trials 10,000 and slower than HG finished the 5000 where he stopped at the bell and still ran a 13:09.

Off that pace the 3:30 1500 speedster Jakob gets punked at 200 to go and can't haul the little guy in. That's how good HG is. Jakob was going as fast as he could, the edge burned off his kick. There is no way he gets near 12:50 at his current level.

And he'd be a fool to try, because he's too big to run that fast a 5000, but just barely not too big to run a 3:30 1500, which is still better than a 12:50.

Mottram was bigger than Jakob, he ran a 12.55, so it's not inconceivable.

Funny that!

I just made a thread about the same concept! Check it out.

Oy veyy wrote:

You sound like a winner. Since when is 13 flat now a slow race?

Wigins already educated you on this point, but I'll reiterate. 13:00 is not fast for a 12:45 man, especially considering they hit the bell at ~12:08.

Also, are you saying that no one can double in championships anymore? Since it's only a couple of days between races..

Is this something new?

No, I'm saying that there are several men with a much better chance of winning than Jakob. If you honestly believe he is capable of beating Kejelcha, Barega, and Gebrhiwet, you are probably one of the same clowns that thinks Farah could have challenged the 5k and 10k world records.

unbelievable stupidity wrote:

Oy veyy wrote:

You sound like a winner. Since when is 13 flat now a slow race?

Wigins already educated you on this point, but I'll reiterate. 13:00 is not fast for a 12:45 man, especially considering they hit the bell at ~12:08.

Also, are you saying that no one can double in championships anymore? Since it's only a couple of days between races..

Is this something new?

No, I'm saying that there are several men with a much better chance of winning than Jakob. If you honestly believe he is capable of beating Kejelcha, Barega, and Gebrhiwet, you are probably one of the same clowns that thinks Farah could have challenged the 5k and 10k world records.

They test at championships, so most likely the east African cheaters will run bad on purpose.

settle down wrote:

better decision wrote:

No and no.

Really? Are you simply using one off times this year as your guide?

Before this race, you most likely would have put Kimeli (who ran a 12:57 last month) ahead of Jakob. Yet there it was, Jakob absolutely destroyed Kimeli. Bekele? Lol. No.

You can put whoever you want ahead of Jakob but in reality it looks like no one besides Hagos ends up ahead of Jakob.

Is this the only 5k you've seen this year? Jakob isn't beating Yomif or Barega. He ran a great race but don't get carried away.

+10

I am not sure he is beating chelimo tbh. Great 5k today though.

Smaller than Motts wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

he's too big to run that fast a 5000

Mottram was bigger than Jakob, he ran a 12.55, so it's not inconceivable.

Not without the bio passport, I'll grant you that.

Jakob & Gebrhiwet are machines. That race had nothing through 10 laps, absolutely crap and bang 13:01/02 and a pile of guys behind them suddenly at or near their best times. Gebrhiwet only days ago ran 26:48. Jakob is a bigger freak than Ryun and Ovett at the same age.

trollism wrote:

Think about it wrote:

He is amazing but the assertion this is the WR for 18 yr olds or something of that nature is ludicrous. This if anything supports the argument that certain East Africans running 12:xx or low 3:30s at a claimed age of

Maybe if now he never gets any faster, just like most of the African 'juniors'.

What about how Jakob got smashed at the World Junior cross country? How dodgy was that race?

Good one.

just better society wrote:

hannsen wrote:

it just seems very fishy to me.

Norway is a major fishing nation, so;.

It's a big difference dragging 75kgs vs 50 kgs up and down the hills at the JXC compared at a completely flat track.

Neither of these guys will hold their form to October. They need to cool their jets and get in a solid block of training with no racing. Guarantee they'll be running on fumes by labor day otherwise.

Plot twist: what if Jakob is training through these DL races?

raceless wrote:

Neither of these guys will hold their form to October. They need to cool their jets and get in a solid block of training with no racing. Guarantee they'll be running on fumes by labor day otherwise.

Plot twist: what if Jakob is training through these DL races?

I would expect the younger runner with less career miles, racing big boys for a full season to burnout before Alberto coached Kejelcha..

Plot twist: what if “these guys” are training through these DL races? 10k — 5k for Geb in the same week? Definitely training runs for him.

Bluesky wrote:

To me the winner is Jakob, I wish he would take all peds that east africans are on, well Jakob would smash the world record

tomorrow.

Now we have one guy that just 3 days ago wins 10000 with a pb and today in the last lap is still faster than Jakob that

is like 3'30" in 1500.

This race shows how doping really works.

Hahahaha what? You honestly think Jakob is clean? How is he able to beat all these other dirty guys if he’s so clean? He’s just as doped and it’s obvious.

kinda obvious..

Doesn't come from a country with a million doping busts

sasdff wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Yeah, I saw the race on youtube. And in that last 400m, he was working very, very hard. You do realize that Ethiopian recently raced a 10000m for the trials right?

come on. He is not winning 5000m gold as long as there is an ethiopian in the world!

That Ethiopian won the 10k 3 days ago. You are saying there is not enough time to recover for someone of this caliber dropping down to a 5000? How did Farah win the 5000/10000 multiple times? So last year when Jakob was running both the 1500 and 5000 in the WJs he got all kinds of hate for not winning both, now you're saying poor Hagos was not all there?

Seriously? Hagos destroyed Kejelcha and Barega. Think about that and think about this race.

That's because Farah had several days to recover! The 10000m race is the first long distance race, usually starting on Sat or Friday, and they don't have to start dealing with 5000m until Thursday I believe. That's basically 6 days of recovery, pretty much a week. so yes it matters. get out of here. You're comparing 1500/5000m double to 5000/10000m double?

Bottom line Jakob lost, and he aint beating the Kenyans at 1500m. And he aint beating the ethiopians at 5000m. period.

So he can sit back and enjoy his Norwary records.

raceless wrote:

Neither of these guys will hold their form to October. They need to cool their jets and get in a solid block of training with no racing. Guarantee they'll be running on fumes by labor day otherwise.

Plot twist: what if Jakob is training through these DL races?

Jakob returns now to Norway for few days then to Saint Moritz for mini training block. Paris 1500 then Zurich 5000 to follow.

OP, here’s my take- to your point, if a legit 18/19-year old can run 13:02 for 5000m what do you think a highly trained at altitude mature once in a generational talent could run at around 25 years old or so? 12:42?

I think Jakob’s run proves the WR 12:37 is clean and legit. We’ve seen how Jakob can’t hang in cross country (18th at World U-20?) so he’s not even the complete package.

Mooonshot wrote:

OP, here’s my take- to your point, if a legit 18/19-year old can run 13:02 for 5000m what do you think a highly trained at altitude mature once in a generational talent could run at around 25 years old or so? 12:42?

I think Jakob’s run proves the WR 12:37 is clean and legit. We’ve seen how Jakob can’t hang in cross country (18th at World U-20?) so he’s not even the complete package.

I hate to do it, but Jakob's impressive performance in no way "proves" that KB's 12:37 is unaided. It doesn't even suggest it. What an 18 year old Norwegian ran yesterday, with or without drugs, has nothing to do with how fast an Ethiopian runner ran back in 2004.

Lol. Sounds like Jakob has a lot of people rattled. When he is challenging and in the middle of overtaking all their heroes, while not appearing as what they like, all kinds of frothing at the mouth and IEDs (intermittent explosive disorders) coming out.