Former Sub 14:00 !
Can you tell some details about your approach to 800m training?
You ve mentioned that you ve had a girl that ran 2.04 off short intervals and threshold.
Former Sub 14:00 !
Can you tell some details about your approach to 800m training?
You ve mentioned that you ve had a girl that ran 2.04 off short intervals and threshold.
The thing is one doesn’t need to do 2+ minute VO2 intervals at all if you’re racing regularly.
High Schoolers are what 30-40 racing times a year? With that amount of racing they never need to do the 2+ minute VO2 intervals. They are getting that developed in the races.
Also you’re able to increase volume year round if you’re not always trying to recover from those VO2 sessions. Along with a reduction in injury risk.
Coach C, you are absolutely correct. We focus so much on key workouts but somehow forget that races have the same effect as a workout on our system. It’s easy to seperate racing from training, but really it’s all on the same spectrum of “getting fit.”
The guy asking me about the 800 girl. She mostly focused on the 1500 to be honest. She ran right under 4:20 a couple times but had exceptional range (#1 girl on an NCAA xc team). Right off of her junior XC season she did mostly threshold work in the form of 1600-2000 repeats or 6 mile progressive tempos. Every week was one of the other. The other workout were 200s/300s at 1500 speed or hills/stadiums. That workout flip flopped every week too. The hills were only 100m and were done at 800m effort or faster but not all-out. The stadiums helped develop power and turnover as well. She ran her early season 800m time off of that.
Former Sub 14:00 wrote:
Coach C, you are absolutely correct. We focus so much on key workouts but somehow forget that races have the same effect as a workout on our system. It’s easy to seperate racing from training, but really it’s all on the same spectrum of “getting fit.”
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Not correct! A race all out can never be the same effect as a smart workout separated in shorter segments with perfect rest between. The workout and the race can be similar when it comes to the pace, but the difference is that the race is without the important rest in the workout.
Was thinking about this thread yesterday. So the ideal workout would be something like a progression run and finishing with some shorter reps like 200m?
Just thinking about this wrote:
Was thinking about this thread yesterday. So the ideal workout would be something like a progression run and finishing with some shorter reps like 200m?
The ideal individual workout will be at level pace all the way. The pressure on the body gets harder the longer the workout continues . Its called Staying Power!
No way! wrote:
Former Sub 14:00 wrote:
Coach C, you are absolutely correct. We focus so much on key workouts but somehow forget that races have the same effect as a workout on our system. It’s easy to seperate racing from training, but really it’s all on the same spectrum of “getting fit.”
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Not correct! A race all out can never be the same effect as a smart workout separated in shorter segments with perfect rest between. The workout and the race can be similar when it comes to the pace, but the difference is that the race is without the important rest in the workout.
You are creating an argument when there isn’t one. A race tears down your body and stresses your system. You then hopefully recover properly from that and come back back better. A workout tears down your body and stresses your system. You then hopefully recover properly from that and come back better.
Dumb workouts and smart workouts stress your body. All-out and not all-out races do this as well. What is the argument? Yes, workouts are performed differently than races because.....they aren’t races. But races serve a purpose to get you fit. When coaches cram in race pace workouts the week of races most weeks of the season it is very cringey. They constantly double dip without knowing it because they don’t acknowledge races having a similar effect as a workout does in getting you fit. If you don’t think this is true then I don’t know what to tell you. Keep on doing your thing and not reach your potential.
Former Sub 14:00 wrote:
No way! wrote:
Not correct! A race all out can never be the same effect as a smart workout separated in shorter segments with perfect rest between. The workout and the race can be similar when it comes to the pace, but the difference is that the race is without the important rest in the workout.
But races serve a purpose to get you fit. .
No they dont! They serve a purpose to give you a final message where you stand in your current development.
Pro coaching wrote:
Former Sub 14:00 wrote:
But races serve a purpose to get you fit. .
No they dont! They serve a purpose to give you a final message where you stand in your current development.
They can if you race yourself into shape.
Former Sub-14: what are your thoughts about the mileage? 100 mpw average over 7 years seems like a lot. I don’t know if many, even of the elites, actually could handle this.
Hshdhddh wrote:
Former Sub-14: what are your thoughts about the mileage? 100 mpw average over 7 years seems like a lot. I don’t know if many, even of the elites, actually could handle this.
There are millions of people that can run a lot of mileage, but only a few can run them really fast.