Thanks for the info, Renato! Her progress has been truly outstanding!
Troll get from under your bridge and go out and get a life. Give me a year and now I do have confidence in ONE year I guarantee I could beat a couch potatoe like you in anything fron 100m to 5000m.
I am trying to recall the last time a coach(husband, whatever) admitted their charge was doping. Ancient Greece, maybe. So we will only hear from them what we should expect.
But the OP can't win against the view here that no performance cannot be justified as legit, in one of the dirtiest of sports today.
Coevett wrote:
BTW, you're clearly somebody very close to her, maybe a coach or agent. I doubt very much some random Israeli running fan is going to come in here and launch a tirade like that in her defence. If I was an Israeli athletics fan, I'd be very concerned that somebody who appears to be the next doping bust in waiting is representing my country's flag.
I guess you are still trying to figure out who killed Kennedy or if the land in the moon was real or not. Evidence, si vous plait! not just your usual speculation.
hgjk wrote:
Coevett wrote:
BTW, you're clearly somebody very close to her, maybe a coach or agent. I doubt very much some random Israeli running fan is going to come in here and launch a tirade like that in her defence. If I was an Israeli athletics fan, I'd be very concerned that somebody who appears to be the next doping bust in waiting is representing my country's flag.
Will you ever stop being a racist cunt? Or is there no hope?
Where at all was race mentioned? He might be a çunt (as are most here in this forum- including you); but nothing was mentioned about race. You either don't know what a "race" actually entails, or are creating scenarios in your head.
Pharmacist wrote:
E Pee Oh wrote:
And you are up to your eyeballs is usage. So, is your mile PR sub 3:45? It should be based on your massive PED use.
I’m not a competitive runner myself. I work at an independently-owned pharmacy. I like selling to athletes, including runners, because I get more money from selling them PEDs than I can get from the average customer who comes in for aspirin or laxatives.
BS. You're probably a typical working stuff making $50k/yr from your cubicle wearing khakis. You're definitely not a pharmacist.
Renato Canova wrote:
I well knew that the competitions of Lonah Chemtai Salpeter had to produce a lot of suspisions, because I well knew her talent, together the training she uses from October 2017, had to produce results, unbelievable for all the "dreamers" of doping as only reason for the ability running fast.
Now I explain the true story, and Dan (who wrote in this thread) can confirm, adding some other particular.
Lonah is Kenyan, and moved to Israel several years ago (maybe about 10) working in the house of the Kenyan Embassador in Tel Aviv. She was a runner in the school, never going for real training. In Israel she met Dan Salpeter : they married some year ago, Lonah continued running 3-4 times per week (no longer than 40 easy minutes) and was a total "amateur".
About 5 years ago, they had a wonderful baby boy (already able to speak English and the language of Israel), who is one of the most educated children I saw in my life.
Since Israel didn't have any strong athletes in long distances, Lonah, with her very little training, tried to qualify for Olympics, and the only way was to try a marathon, since the qualifyer limit was very easy. So, she ran her first marathon (I repeat, practically WITHOUT preparation) on 27th February 2016 in Tel Aviv, winning in 2:40'17". She changed her training, increasing the volume too quickly, and in Rio de Janeiro (14th August) was very tired, and finished the fuel after 30 km, not finishing the race. After Olympics, she recovered with very little training, went Berlin (25th September) and repeated the same time of Tel Aviv (2:40'16"), arriving in 11th position.
In 2017, she started to run a little bit more. At the end of the season she improved everywhere : 4'23"94 (1500m), 9'26"44 (3000m), 16'12"51 (5000m), 32'43"89 (10000m), but especially 1:12'48" in HM. However, her preparation for the Marathon was still very poor : she had 10000m in her mind, but again the only way for running in WCh (London, 6th of August) was to compete in the longest event, since already had the qualification limit, and again ran 2:40'22", finishing in position 41.
At the beginning of October, Dan came to meet me in Kerio View in Iten. We spoke about training, but really I didn't have idea of the talent of Lonah, so I went with Dan to see a training session, and I was impressed by the running technique, and the body, of the athlete.
When we met again, the next day, I told Dan that, in my opinion, Lonah could become one of the best in the World, looking directly to Marathon.
Till that period, she never had the opportunity to run with strong athletes, on track or on the road (with the exception pf the big championships in the marathon, clearly not ready).
So, I put in front of Dan the road to follow : increasing volume of training, and inside the volume also the quality ; to work with a manager, as soon she was able running under 1:10 in HM ; to meet some more strong athlete in any event ; to build a strong mentality and a right self confidence, step by step.
She trained in Iten till the end of January, competing in the Discovery Cross Country (28 Jan) for training, and going home immediately after. In February, she had to run in Israel in all the Championships of the Country : 15 km on the road in Rishon Letzion (2nd Feb) winning with the NR of 49'47" (NR in 10 km also with the split of 33'12"), NR on track (10th Feb) in 3000m, totally alone (9'06"60), National Cross Country Champs for training only in Tel Aviv (16th Feb) running 34'43" for a distance of 10.2 km, and after that period went back Kenya for preparing the WHMCh in Valencia (24th March).
In that race, Lonah had the first confirmation of her talent, finishing in position 12 with 1:08'58". Now, she needed to start a real international activity.
I put Dan in touch with the Italian manager Chiara Davini, that started to take care of every particular, leaving the only focus for Dan in training.
We had a discussion, at the beginning of April, because I told Lonah she could win European Championships in Marathon, but she was not mentally ready for thinking of the distance, and had 10000m in her mind. I accepted the idea of Lonah (Dan was more open about the marathon), and we decided to have a period of speed. Lonah ran her PB in 1500m immediately after going back Tel Aviv (4'17"22 on 21st April), and 5 days later ran, alone, 10000m on track in 31'39"63, with a very fast first half (NR in 5000m in 15'26"8, with the second half in 16'03").
At this point, she needed a test against stronger competitors, and I suggested Dan to ask to the Federation to enter Lonah in the European Cup of London (19th May). There was a Kenyan rabbit, but Lonah had to go alone after the first 5 km, winning with a negative split, in the new NR of 31'33"03.
The approach to the ECh of Berlin had still 3 steps : the control of endurance (15 km in Valencia on 2nd June, winning in 47'38" with the last 10 km faster than her NR), the control of speed (NR of 1500min Tel Aviv during the NC of 4th July in 4'11"69 behind Eglay Nalyanya) and the control of specific speed endurance (5000m in Kortrijk on 14th July winning in 15'17"81, of course NR).
European Championships in Berlin : easy victory in 10000m (8th August in 31'43"29), and a disqualification in 5000m for closing the first turn with one step inside the cones, where she made also a mistake going for a sprint with Sifan Hassan, one lap too early... and in any case finishing under 15' !
The last competition on track was in Birmingham (18th August) : she was 7th with a good 8'42"88, of course NR.
From the next day, the mind was fully in direction of the marathon.
During the preparation, Lonah had 2 competitions, under full load of training : an easy victory in Zaandam (10 miles on 23rd Sep in 50'45"), and a second position in Lisbon (14th Oct) in 1:07'55".
In Firenze, Lonah was the first athlete (men ar women) able to run with a negative split. The conditions were terrible (rain, slipering cobblestones during the last 5 km, a lot of turns). That day (25th Nov) her 2:24'17" clearly showed she could already run under 2:21' in a perfect situation.
The current continue increase of value is a product of the continuity of training (including what is around the training : rest, diet, physiotherapy) and of a always better self confidence, coming from clear strategies starting from far.
Immediately after Florence, with Dan and Lonah we decided Prague was the marathon for running under 2:20' and everything (including the HM in 1:06'09") was in that direction.
So, absolutely no surprise, but only full confirmation of the previous plan, for who are at the base of her results.
She has not finish to improve, you can see something important from now till Tokyo.
What is really ridiculous is the fact that too many people DON'T THINK possible running fast, or improving so much and so quickly, if there is not some "secret doping" at the base of the performances.
I repeat again : it's not possible to deny that there is s doping problem in Kenya and in many parts of the World. It's not possible to deny that some top athletes used doping (maybe in bigger number than who already was caught).
But WE KNOW WHAT IS POSSIBLE TO DO WITH PROPER, SERIOUS TRAINING AND RIGHT MENTALITY.
And is ridiculous, unfair, not honest and also very stupid (fruit of the total IGNORANCE of the effects of training) to think that all the strong athletes are strong because doped.
Talent, training and mentality are at the base of every result, and, yes, DOPING IS A CHOICE FOR WEAK MINDS.
Thank you for this information. I am Czech and enjoyed watching her run yesterday. It was impressive. The Prague marathon male course record is 2:05:38 vs Berlin’s 2:01:39. The female Berlin marathon record is 2:18:11 vs Lornah’s 2:19:46.
It would be great if you could share some details from her training.
Her training. She run hard maybe 12 session per month. She a natural runner. No drugs. She won’t even pop an aspirin or even a zit. Italian humour there. Hehe. She run well with good personality. People say EPO. EPO does not help my athlete. She run with good principle and husband take care of her. It is idiot who accuse clean athlete.
Pharmacist wrote:
I’m not a competitive runner myself. I work at an independently-owned pharmacy. I like selling to athletes, including runners, because I get more money from selling them PEDs than I can get from the average customer who comes in for aspirin or laxatives.
I wonder how many of the doping apologists here are pharmacists making money from selling EPO to desperate East African kids? Or at least shills paid by pharmacies?
VIPAM wrote:
Troll get from under your bridge and go out and get a life. Give me a year and now I do have confidence in ONE year I guarantee I could beat a couch potatoe like you in anything fron 100m to 5000m.
VIPAM, all you have to do is identify as one of your doped up East African heroes, and I'm sure you will be able to beat couch potatoes at any distance.
Poorly educated group wrote:
hgjk wrote:
Will you ever stop being a racist cunt? Or is there no hope?
Where at all was race mentioned? He might be a çunt (as are most here in this forum- including you); but nothing was mentioned about race. You either don't know what a "race" actually entails, or are creating scenarios in your head.
He has an unhealthy obsession with me and my 'racism'. He's even been getting up in the middle of the night and posting obscene accusations projecting on to me the disgusting wet dream he's just enjoyed. He just admitted to trawling through hundreds of race results to try to find me. On several occasions he's made violent threats against me. Not sure what he has to do to get a ban from the mods.
As far as my original statement is concerned, I was sort of alluding to the fact also that some random Israeli fan happens to post within 1 minute of the Israeli coach to this runner.
I hope people can understand who is the real Renato Canova and who tries to be funny using my name with the only effect to become an idiot.
Lonah is not a my athlete. Her husband, Dan, is a young coach with the full training choices, following my training phylosophy, but I don't prepare any program for Lonah. I'm a "guide" for the strategy, and an advisor for everything regards her athletics career, but Dan is able to manage her training in the best possible way.
He now is the main responsible of long distances in Israel, and can be interesting to see at the continuous improvement of other athletes (men) who are coached by him.
Look for example at Maru Teferi. He's now 27 years old (born in 1992), and started to train with Dan at the beginning of 2018 only. His previous experiences in Marathon were not very good : 2:19'23" in Berlin (2015) finishing in position 47, 2:18'19" in Rotterdam (2016) in position 23, participation in Olympics in Rio with the final position 73 in 2:21'06", 2:17'55" in Paris (2017) in position 18.
From the beginning of 2018 he was in training with Dan, following a similar program of Lonah, and started to improve in short distances, with PB in 1500m (3'51"59), 5000m (13'59"53), 10000m (29'04"36), improvement that was at the base of his new PB in HM (1:02'22" in Hamburg) and of a good race in European Champs (7th position in 2:13'00").
He was in training with the small group of Israelian top marathon runners in Kenya and in Sestriere, where they prepared the European Championships. Continuing with proper training, step by step increasing both volume and intensity, Maru ran this year in Seville (17th Feb) in 2:10'11" (8th position), and in Prague for the first time ran under 2:10'.
In Israel, there are about 300,000 people coming from Ethiopia, and this already from several years. This means that it's possible to find a good number of young boys and girls with the talent for running, and to offer these people some opportunity in the sport means also to improve the possibility of integration.
So, don't be surprised if in the next years Israel can produce some new runner for long distances. This can be the product of interest in the Country, individual motivation, a national coach with a lot of passion and will to learn (Dan Salpeter), and the opportunity offered by the Federation.
But of course when there is something "new" and "well organized" in Countries that, before, didn't produced any athlete, the only answer for poor people (everybody has a negative vision about professional sport, thinking that money can ONLY be the stimulus, and can ONLY come using doping) is looking at "new drugs". Not passion, not motivation, not proper training, not continuity, not deep professional choices.
DOPING is the key word for all people not knowing anything about talent and training.
Renato
You just admitted that race is a huge factor in running talent. You mentioned that because there are many Ethiopians in Israel that it is possible to find good running talent. Thank you for a bit of candor.
And the course was 0.30 meters long: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/48169540
Renato Canova wrote:
Maru ran this year in Seville (17th Feb) in 2:10'11" (8th position), and in Prague for the first time ran under 2:10'.
Are you sure? According to official results the Israeli guy who finished under 2:10 in Prague goes by the name of Girmaw Amare (who has a equally impressive progression btw, does he get trained by wonder man Dan too?) and not Manu Teferi.
Anyway, one might say that Teferi's progression looks quite suspicious. 13:59 and 29:04 are still hardly impressive and only minor improvements, but 2:10:11 and 62:05 are quite respectable PBs and huge improvements also compared to everthing he did on other distances before.
Renato Canova wrote:
In Israel, there are about 300,000 people coming from Ethiopia, and this already from several years. This means that it's possible to find a good number of young boys and girls with the talent for running, and to offer these people some opportunity in the sport means also to improve the possibility of integration.
It's funny, because from what I've read, these Ethiopians are allowed to freely immigrate into Israel because they claim to be descendants of a lost tribe of Israelites, and hence ethnic kin of other Jews living in Israel. DNA evidence has disproven that, and it appears that athletics coaches don't believe it either.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
So what time could Allie Kiefer run with similar weight loss?
I get it that the weight is a huge factor in the marathon, but some of the best 10k performances have been set by very heavy, strong, runners like Chris Solinsky (6'3/4'', 166 lbs, 26:59).
So the 10k improvement from 35min, 35 min, 36 min, 35 min, 32 min, 31 min despite not getting any benefits from growing anymore (they happened in her late 20s) is still questionable. Also her current marathon PB requires a low 30 min 10k.
We should definitely not be questioning every single outstanding performance - but sometimes things just don't make much sense. And Israel is definitely not the clean country that some people here are suggesting, we had multiple doping cases in a big variety of sports.
Idiot, she didn’t just lose weight. She lost weight of body fat and maintained her muscles or most of it. Solinsky isn’t relatively heavy because of body fat- it’s muscles, he has very low body fat.
Girma is a 28:10/62:52 runner who's been around for YEARS and progressed steadily through the years, and only moved up to the marathon recently.
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/israel/girmaw-amare-294191
I understand that you are slow as fu*k, probably a mentally handicapped frustrated retired D3 runner, but that's not a reason to doubt any Israeli runner.
To my Israeli friends - Ignore the guys in this thread, you're just feeding the trools.
Cheers from Iowa.
http://www.shvoong.co.il/%d7%9b%d7%99%d7%a6%d7%93-%d7%94%d7%a6%d7%9e%d7%93-%d7%9c%d7%95%d7%a0%d7%94-%d7%a6%d7%9e%d7%98%d7%90%d7%99-%d7%95%d7%91%d7%99%d7%98%d7%99-%d7%93%d7%95%d7%99%d7%98%d7%a9-%d7%94%d7%a9%d7%aa%d7%a4%d7%a8/118869/laufmutti wrote:
Man, guys are terrible at judging weight fluctuations. That's 5lbs max, plus a load of training.
In here her dietician says in Hebrew that she lost 5 kg (11 lbs) and dropped 6% of her body fat maintaining the muscles.